Casey Anthony Trial Thread #3

[MyManGoofy!]

Sorry, I hit submit before I saw your correction -- but this is not an enormous house or yard. I still say the timing if off. Yes, drowning victims do sink as the lungs fill with water. They float again as they decompose (creating gas) but that would take a while.



Yep! But at least in the OJ trial I could see that the Defense had made a fairly good case for reasonable doubt to a sequestered jury. I have nothing against "reasonable doubt" -- in fact I think it is the jury's responsibility to try to find it. This Defense, however, has yet to make me feel reasonable doubt with the witnesses they have put on so far. Half of them seem to support the Prosecution, and at least 2 were (Spitz and that botanist woman) past their sell by date and far from credible. IMO





I give you much credit because you are trying to find reasonable doubt. But if you or I were on the jury we wouldn't know some of this stuff about the Anthony's marriage. I found Cindy Anthony extremely credible on the stand. George Anthony was testy but also credible. Dr G blew me away, as did Dr Vass.

But then we have this totally incredible story of various people hiding bodies, a young woman with a history of pathalogical lying just partying away for 31 days, an imaginary nanny that predates the "accident," and lying to law enforcement who are giving her every chance to admit to an accident.

The Defense has yet to convince me that Casey was sexually abused, could go into a dissociative state, and isn't simply a murdering lying sociopath who duct taped her poor child, drove around with a decomposing body in her car for several days before dumping it in the woods and wants to get away with it.

Occam's Razor.

The one and only time I was on a jury - this is the way reasonable doubt was explained to us.
"If it was an incredibly rainy day outside and someone came into the room soaking wet without a coat or umbrella and said that the reason they were all wet was because they took a shower after getting dressed - not because of the rain. This could be possible - but not reasonable. "

So this is the explanation I revert back to when I look at this case. While it may be all circumstantial - is there any other REASONABLE explanation for how
Caylee was last seen alive with Casey but Casey was not responsible for her death? Nothing the defense has brought forward to date has created a REASONABLE doubt. (sorry for the caps - can't bold from my phone.)

 

[plutotek]

Casey Anthony's Schizophrenic Defense

This definitely offers a concise explanation of why CA's defense is where it is, including the bus that GA has been thrown under.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Kurby that is awesome news. I hope she will hold out till full term. Your in my prayers.

With George in LE why would he also want to leave a body in the trunk knowing that it would smell like human deocomp. Leaving her anywhere in the yard or the home would create that smell.

 

[ugadog99]

The one and only time I was on a jury - this is the way reasonable doubt was explained to us.
"If it was an incredibly rainy day outside and someone came into the room soaking wet without a coat or umbrella and said that the reason they were all wet was because they took a shower after getting dressed - not because of the rain. This could be possible - but not reasonable. "

So this is the explanation I revert back to when I look at this case. While it may be all circumstantial - is there any other REASONABLE explanation for how
Caylee was last seen alive with Casey but Casey was not responsible for her death? Nothing the defense has brought forward to date has created a REASONABLE doubt. (sorry for the caps - can't bold from my phone.)

This makes total sense to me. I've always wondered what reasonable doubt means.

 

[wdwmom0f3]

And are we supposed to believe after George pulls caylee out of the water. Yells at casey. Decides to put his beloved granddaughter in a plastic bag and dumps her that he just let's casey head off to screw around with Tony????

And he didn't say one word for 31'days???

Oh wait he told his mistress

I don't believe this for a minute and I also don't think that there was any other abuse going on with the two of them either. I think that's just a way to raise reasonable doubt or something. A way to show another way that this could have happened.

Do any of you think that George really had an affair with this woman? I find it hard to believe since he and Cindy seem so very close, but I missed a lot of that so I don't know. I'm struggling to catch up on everything.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Sorry, I hit submit before I saw your correction -- but this is not an enormous house or yard. I still say the timing if off. Yes, drowning victims do sink as the lungs fill with water. They float again as they decompose (creating gas) but that would take a while.

Yep! But at least in the OJ trial I could see that the Defense had made a fairly good case for reasonable doubt to a sequestered jury. I have nothing against "reasonable doubt" -- in fact I think it is the jury's responsibility to try to find it. This Defense, however, has yet to make me feel reasonable doubt with the witnesses they have put on so far. Half of them seem to support the Prosecution, and at least 2 were (Spitz and that botanist woman) past their sell by date and far from credible. IMO

Yeah, I agree the whole timing of things are off. And Baez can't even remember when it happened (early morning, late morning, afternoon, no...early morning), so how can he possibly fill in the blanks with everything else? Seriously...what are they going to say about what happened after finding Caylee in the pool?? George said he'd take care of it, and that's all Casey knows? Or is this where Kronk comes in? Can't wait to hear...the suspense is killing me.

I found out about bodies filling with gases after a body was found in a pond that DH and I used to take our little boat. (We had NOTHING to do with it!) He was weighted down and wrapped in chicken wire. No doubt, Baez would argue it was a tragic accident. (The guy was never identified.) Friends of ours found him floating in the pond because he had looked like a turtle, bloated against the chicken wire.

Past their sell date! I'll have to use that line IRL, and hope my kids don't catch wind of it and use it on me!

I'm really kind of undecided on whether CA was abused (I know you weren't asking me. . .) BUT I don't think it's really here nor there in this case. If the drowning story was true, there would have to be collusion between George and Casey. What were they going to tell Cindy? What was their story going to be? And seeing as George is a former LE detective, I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that he agreed to what transpired.

CA: Dad, we'll just keep telling Mom that she's with the nanny.
GA: But we can't do that forever.
CA: Well, we'll wait a month and then tell her the nanny kidnapped her.
GA: Brilliant Casey! Everyone will buy that and the case will be closed. . .because that's just how LE works.

I agree. And that dialogue works so well with the Casey/Kronk dialogue!

I think it's easier to believe Casey and George lying about sexual abuse than about the death of Caylee. If it was an accidental drowning, that's easily explained away without anyone discovering you are having sex with your daughter. But hiding the body, lying about the child for a month, then concocting a kidnapping story?

Listen, I'll believe the sexual abuse if they want me to, but I just can't make the leap that it results in hiding your dead child's body in the woods after an accidental drowning.

I agree. But I'm guessing that once they had to put it out there that that's why Casey lies, they might as well put the responsibility of disposing of the body on him too. I think tho that the defense would have been a lot better off had they left George out of that scenario.

Oh. It went very well. Nicoles heart looks great. Now we just have to wait the the hydrops to drain out from under her skin

2 weeks til 37 weeks so if they have to take her early July 6 is the magic date

Wonderful!!!

I can't wait for it to end so I can go back to thinking about other things!

Me too!

 

[ilovepete]

I know. I just don't get why they threw George into this. It seems like they had a great probable cause case by saying it was an accident that snowballed. By throwing George in there with the sexual abuse and again with the cover up makes it seem like another Casey fable.

Off to walk on the beach and ponder this case. I can't wait for it to end so I can go back to thinking about other things!

Because it was part of April Whalen's story!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

The one and only time I was on a jury - this is the way reasonable doubt was explained to us.

"If it was an incredibly rainy day outside and someone came into the room soaking wet without a coat or umbrella and said that the reason they were all wet was because they took a shower after getting dressed - not because of the rain. This could be possible - but not reasonable. "

So this is the explanation I revert back to when I look at this case. While it may be all circumstantial - is there any other REASONABLE explanation for how Caylee was last seen alive with Casey but Casey was not responsible for her death? Nothing the defense has brought forward to date has created a REASONABLE doubt. (sorry for the caps - can't bold from my phone.)

Sounds like a reasonable explanation.

I don't believe this for a minute and I also don't think that there was any other abuse going on with the two of them either. I think that's just a way to raise reasonable doubt or something. A way to show another way that this could have happened.

Do any of you think that George really had an affair with this woman? I find it hard to believe since he and Cindy seem so very close, but I missed a lot of that so I don't know. I'm struggling to catch up on everything.

I think he might have had a fling, for whatever reason. Maybe he needed to get away from Cindy and the turmoil and hell they were living. I don't think the woman is a credible witness tho. And I don't think that George told her that he was in any way involved, because 1) I don't believe he is...I think if he told her it was an accident that snowballed out of control, he was talking about a desperate hope that Casey hadn't murdered her daughter, and 2) I don't think he'd really tell this woman anything anyway.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Yikes...interesting new article about Casey's behavior after her first arrest:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/22/casey-s-rommate-tells-all.html

 

[richmond282]

Baez simply doesn't have the experience for this case, he didn't realize his client did nothing but lie, thus he has done nothing to try to find the truth. He didn't have the foresight to look at June 16th on the computer? It's like Amateur hour. The judge for all the rules Baez has broken, his inability to meet deadlines and enter evidence, has told him at different times to look into different cases so that he could have some back ground on legal principles that might help his client.

Can someone explain the whole June 16th Baez/ computer thing? What is on there that he should have known about?

 

[wdwmom0f3]

Sounds like a reasonable explanation. I think he might have had a fling, for whatever reason. Maybe he needed to get away from Cindy and the turmoil and hell they were living. I don't think the woman is a credible witness tho. And I don't think that George told her that he was in any way involved, because 1) I don't believe he is...I think if he told her it was an accident that snowballed out of control, he was talking about a desperate hope that Casey hadn't murdered her daughter, and 2) I don't think he'd really tell this woman anything anyway.

I read somewhere that she and her sister had been arrested before and that she would not be a good witness. I still can't imagine that George had something going on with her, but I guess it's possible. I'm like you though, I don't think that he confided in her about himself, maybe that he thinks that Casey was involved in an accident that snowballed out of control, but that would be it.

Yikes...interesting new article about Casey's behavior after her first arrest:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/22/casey-s-rommate-tells-all.html

That was very interesting, and it just proved to me even more that Casey was that way.

 

[diznygirl]

I don't believe this for a minute and I also don't think that there was any other abuse going on with the two of them either. I think that's just a way to raise reasonable doubt or something. A way to show another way that this could have happened.

Do any of you think that George really had an affair with this woman? I find it hard to believe since he and Cindy seem so very close, but I missed a lot of that so I don't know. I'm struggling to catch up on everything.

I don't think he had an affair. I think that lady has a credibility problem. It was said that she helped with the search for Caylee. She had contact with him, but I think the rest of all that stuff has been embellished, to say the least. It's all in her head.

It's such a shame that all the crazies have come out of the woodwork for this case. If everyone truly had this much energy towards that little girl, she would still be alive.

 

[ilovepete]

Yikes...interesting new article about Casey's behavior after her first arrest:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/22/casey-s-rommate-tells-all.html

Too bad the jury can't know that stuff.

 

[plutotek]

Yikes...interesting new article about Casey's behavior after her first arrest:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/22/casey-s-rommate-tells-all.html

That made for some very interesting reading.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Did we ever establish who the lead prosecutor is...Burdick or Ashton? I think someone had asked. Anyway, I googled it and it's Burdick. And if anyone says "asked and answered"...

 

[ilovepete]

Did we ever establish who the lead prosecutor is...Burdick or Ashton? I think someone had asked. Anyway, I googled it and it's Burdick. And if anyone says "asked and answered"...

Yep it was asked and answered already! LOL that is too funny. I really LOLed over that one!

 

[kidshop]

Can someone explain the whole June 16th Baez/ computer thing? What is on there that he should have known about?

Wellllllllll, he may have wanted to check the computer usage on that day, when George may have been at work (cough, time cards) to see who was doing what and when before he stated his timeline as if it were fact. You know the early morning, late afternoon; no it was early morning spiel. Or something like that. He probably doesn't remember what he said either!

He never looked at Casey's hard drive for that date, the day before or the day after. Being a lawyer is soooooo hard......

 

[Kurby]

Did we ever establish who the lead prosecutor is...Burdick or Ashton? I think someone had asked. Anyway, I googled it and it's Burdick. And if anyone says "asked and answered"...

Look mare if you not going to take you own advice the first post we can't help ya

 

[LisaR]

Yikes...interesting new article about Casey's behavior after her first arrest:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/22/casey-s-rommate-tells-all.html

Thanks for the link. I am not sure how credible this person is but it confirms how I believe the parents reacted.

There has been talk about tension between George and Casey. They even talk about it on the jail house tapes. I think George has been calling BS on Casey for years and Cindy sucks up to her. I think that is one of the main reasons there was so much tension in this family.

 

[hellokitty86]

Look mare if you not going to take you own advice the first post we can't help ya