Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[Lisa loves Pooh]

To be honest I didn't think about that when I wrote that word.

 

[Feralpeg]

Actually--we will never have concrete physical evidence that Casey killed Caylee.

It won't be required. They just have to show that through all of the circumstantial evidence put together--that Casey was the the only one who *could* have done it. Beyond a reasonable doubt, of course.

There was no "physical proof" that Scott Peterson offed his wife. It was all of the circumstantial evidence together that showed that he was the only one who *could* have done it.

The burden is high, of course-but very much doable. And with the defense strategy presented--almost guaranteed unless they put their lying client on the stand to tell some convincing stories.

Unfortunately, once they go accusing someone else--they don't realize that their story can't have any holes or doubt to it, or it will be evident that it is perjury and there goes their strategy.

Playing devils advocate, they have proof that a dead body was in the trunk. They have no proof that Casey put it there. Baez is heading the wrong direction on this. Instead of trying to refute the evidence of a body in the trunk, he should be asking if there is anything in the evidence to say definitively that Casey put the body in the trunk. The answer would have to be no. He also needs to prove that Casey was not the only person with access to the car.

His current line of questioning is just confusing to the jury. He stated in his opening arguments that Caylee drown. He stated that the body was disposed of. Obviously, the car was used to move her body. There is no reason to refute that. He is making it sound like it goes both ways. Not smart. He needs to keep that seed of doubt going and he is not doing that. He needs to make the jury wonder who moved the body. Was it Casey or George? That is what was implied by the defense in the opening statement. He has lost track of what he needs to emphasize.

Looking at this from the standpoint of a good defense strategy, Baez is missing the boat.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Playing devils advocate, they have proof that a dead body was in the trunk. They have no proof that Casey put it there. Baez is heading the wrong direction on this. Instead of trying to refute the evidence of a body in the trunk, he should be asking if there is anything in the evidence to say definitively that Casey put the body in the trunk. The answer would have to be no. He also needs to prove that Casey was not the only person with access to the car.

His current line of questioning is just confusing to the jury. He stated in his opening arguments that Caylee drown. He stated that the body was disposed of. Obviously, the car was used to move her body. There is no reason to refute that. He is making it sound like it goes both ways. Not smart. He needs to keep that seed of doubt going and he is not doing that. He needs to make the jury wonder who moved the body. Was it Casey or George? That is what was implied by the defense in the opening statement. He has lost track of what he needs to emphasize.

Looking at this from the standpoint of a good defense strategy, Baez is missing the boat.

I was simply answering someone's comment of "no proof, yet"--I wasn't commenting on any specific evidence, but rather the general notion that folks seem to have a false impression that "concrete direct evidence that shows that "a specific person" was physically present and committing the murder.

As far as Baez is concerned--his credibility (what little he had) is out the window.

He had a perfectly viable reasonable doubt case--one I didn't and don't believe, but one he could have easily handled. But he fouls it up with every word that comes out of his mouth.

Like up thread--we were all curious (here and elsewhere) if it was possible that the chlorine could have resulted in detectable cloroform. Now--it has been said that it was impossible...but to a non-chemistry person like myself--it did make me wonder. But nope--he didn't mention it.

All of his cross examines (as you say) seem to be attempts to disprove of the body in the car....but then one must wonder...does Baez have too much knowledge to be able to make the case that the car was out of her possession long enough for George to have used that method of hiding Caylee? If the timeline proves that George did not have the car, then Baez cannot make the claim that George used the car to get rid of Caylee.

While Casey can lie to her heart's content, Baez cannot lie if he knows what the truth is.

I.e. unrelated to the car--but he can't claim Casey didn't go to blockbuster for example. We have a witness and we have video. So if Casey were to lie about that, Baez could play no part in that.

So I'm wondering if the reason he isn't going along with the "car" story--is because it doesn't fit the evidence or their scenario.

I think he is going with Casey didn't bury the body--so if Casey didn't do it, then George did and George didn't have access to the car until he picked it up at the tow yard. Or did he and I miss it?

 

[joviroxx]

Now, again, this is my opinion but....I have no doubt she did it because there is no other logical explanation. That takes away any doubt for me. I have to say, Id read evidence, seen pre-trial hearings and I believed that it wasn't planned but in the heat of the moment. I have to tell you that listening to the way the prosecution has put this case together, I am now believing the Casey did this on purpose. Whether planned or at the moment, it was a purposeful act.

When you look at all the evidence, there might not be a murder weapon in her hand, but it is the only possibility with the evidence presented.

The George story is not believable, pure and simple and has too many holes in it. Again, the defense does not have 1 single witness to corroborate any of Casey's stories not is there one bit of evidence that is exculpatory.

There is doubt, of course, but its not reasonable if there is no other possibility for interpretation.

But, the defense has put on their case yet..so we will see....

 

[Amg120499]

I just started watching the court proceedings last week and have become slightly obsessed. Unfortunately work keeps getting in the way so I wanted to come out of lurkdom to thank all of you for the updates!

I have to share what happened to me today. For the last week or so I've been smelling an odor that I first thought was coming from my trash can. Then I figured some type of animal must have crawled under my porch and died. Today I got a call from my landlord asking if I have seen the guy that lives in the other half of the duplex I am renting. Then she called back to tell me they had found his body. UGH. I can now say I know what a decomposing body smells like.

With that being said, I can't imagine how the defense is going to pull this off.

 

[tinkerbellandeyor]

the trial is so overwhelming wondering how to get caught up

 

[HLAuburn]

I just started watching the court proceedings last week and have become slightly obsessed. Unfortunately work keeps getting in the way so I wanted to come out of lurkdom to thank all of you for the updates!

I have to share what happened to me today. For the last week or so I've been smelling an odor that I first thought was coming from my trash can. Then I figured some type of animal must have crawled under my porch and died. Today I got a call from my landlord asking if I have seen the guy that lives in the other half of the duplex I am renting. Then she called back to tell me they had found his body. UGH. I can now say I know what a decomposing body smells like.

With that being said, I can't imagine how the defense is going to pull this off.

Yikes! Sorry to hear about your neighbor. So now that you're officially in the "decomposing body" club, is what they say true? Is it really like nothing else you've ever smelled before? Even working in the medical field, I don't think I've ever smelled a decomposing human body, but I can imagine it's unlike anything else.

 

[Seahunt]

court is back.

before they got started the judge read off a list of movies the jury would like to see and he couldn't help but smile at the last one.

"dirty love"

lol

They must be getting homesick

Speaking of movies, it reminds me that Casey and Tony rented movies at Blockbuster the night Caylee went missing - and one of those was "Untraceable" about a hunt for serial killer that had a scene of a dead body decomposing in a trunk of a car

In the scene below the officer (Diane Lane) reaches in her trunk and opens the black plastic bag and jumps back from the smell/view of the decomposing body.

Yikes! I would have loved to be a spy at their place when they watched that movie just to see Casey's reaction to that particular scene, though she was probably cold as ice as usual.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Yikes! I would have loved to be a spy at their place when they watched that movie just to see Casey's reaction to that particular scene, though she was probably cold as ice as usual.

Probably nothing. Excuse me while I type some drivel that is using my poor memory to explain that sociopaths don't feel anxiety--something I heard last night.

I was watching some of the HLN programming last night--I think it was Dr. Drew? He had on the psychologist/psychiatrist that is a guest on some of the shows quite a bit. (Blonde lady). Anyway, she said that in their community (of pyschologists) or whatever, that they are coming to some conclusions that sociopaths don't feel anxiety. Anxiety is a coping skill we have that is a tool in us learning how to feel empathy and to do right from wrong. Someone like Casey, probably doesn't get anxious which explains how they grow up very selfish and uncaring and why she sits stone faced in trial.

Now--I know that I totally messed up that explanation. But bottom line--the reason we see her non-reactive behavior is due to the fact that she can't get anxious.

Never thought I would be joyful that all of my children demonstrate anxiety to some degree.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I just started watching the court proceedings last week and have become slightly obsessed. Unfortunately work keeps getting in the way so I wanted to come out of lurkdom to thank all of you for the updates!

I have to share what happened to me today. For the last week or so I've been smelling an odor that I first thought was coming from my trash can. Then I figured some type of animal must have crawled under my porch and died. Today I got a call from my landlord asking if I have seen the guy that lives in the other half of the duplex I am renting. Then she called back to tell me they had found his body. UGH. I can now say I know what a decomposing body smells like.

With that being said, I can't imagine how the defense is going to pull this off.

I'm not sure what to say about that. I know it would make me feel very uneasy.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but there is a difference between proving she killed her and the body of evidence indicating that she is the only one that could. There is no smoking gun, so no, there is no DIRECT evidence that will say she did it. However, the question will be whether, when all the circumstantial evidence is weighed, there is anyone else that could have done it. I think the prosecution has about 2 weeks left (their projections) and then we'll hear the other side, but the prosecution has made a strong presentation given the facts.

Who's Shirley?

Did I comment about this before? I had it quoted. Anyway...I agree on the bolded. And Shirley is Cindy Anthony's mother. (Plesea?)

I have to share what happened to me today. For the last week or so I've been smelling an odor that I first thought was coming from my trash can. Then I figured some type of animal must have crawled under my porch and died. Today I got a call from my landlord asking if I have seen the guy that lives in the other half of the duplex I am renting. Then she called back to tell me they had found his body. UGH. I can now say I know what a decomposing body smells like.

Ew. That's distubing. Do they know what killed him..natural death, murder? When I was a teenager, my parents went to their friends' apartment, and there was a terrible odor. My parents convinced them to call the police...that it really was a very different and very bad smell. Turns out a young man who lived alone had had surgery, was released from the hospital, and died. Wonder how long he was dead that the odor had gotten that bad, yet no one was looking for him?

Speaking of movies, it reminds me that Casey and Tony rented movies at Blockbuster the night Caylee went missing - and one of those was "Untraceable" about a hunt for serial killer that had a scene of a dead body decomposing in a trunk of a car

In the scene below the officer (Diane Lane) reaches in her trunk and opens the black plastic bag and jumps back from the smell/view of the decomposing body.

Yikes! I would have loved to be a spy at their place when they watched that movie just to see Casey's reaction to that particular scene, though she was probably cold as ice as usual.

I just watched the trailer for that movie on youtube...disturbing movie all around! Shows just how cold and unfeeling Casey is, to watch that.

sociopaths don't feel anxiety. Anxiety is a coping skill we have that is a tool in us learning how to feel empathy and to do right from wrong. Someone like Casey, probably doesn't get anxious which explains how they grow up very selfish and uncaring and why she sits stone faced in trial.

Now--I know that I totally messed up that explanation. But bottom line--the reason we see her non-reactive behavior is due to the fact that she can't get anxious.

Never thought I would be joyful that all of my children demonstrate anxiety to some degree.

Creepy to think people can be that unfeeling. *I* get anxious every time I hear her lies.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Good Morning....does anyone know who the 1st witness is this morning?

 

[plutotek]

I believe they said last night the first witness is a short appearance by another CSI/evidence tech.

 

[plutotek]

Did I comment about this before? I had it quoted. Anyway...I agree on the bolded. And Shirley is Cindy Anthony's mother. (Plesea?)

Actually, I think several of us posted at the same time on this one. And thanks, haven't heard much about great-grandmother, so it didn't click.

 

[joviroxx]

Probably nothing. Excuse me while I type some drivel that is using my poor memory to explain that sociopaths don't feel anxiety--something I heard last night.

I was watching some of the HLN programming last night--I think it was Dr. Drew? He had on the psychologist/psychiatrist that is a guest on some of the shows quite a bit. (Blonde lady). Anyway, she said that in their community (of pyschologists) or whatever, that they are coming to some conclusions that sociopaths don't feel anxiety. Anxiety is a coping skill we have that is a tool in us learning how to feel empathy and to do right from wrong. Someone like Casey, probably doesn't get anxious which explains how they grow up very selfish and uncaring and why she sits stone faced in trial.

Now--I know that I totally messed up that explanation. But bottom line--the reason we see her non-reactive behavior is due to the fact that she can't get anxious.

Never thought I would be joyful that all of my children demonstrate anxiety to some degree.

I was listening as I was doing some things around the house and I think you explained it pretty well .. At least that's the same thing I got from it.

I think the only time I heard about her getting anxious is when then found Caylee's body!

 

[kinntj]

Good Morning....does anyone know who the 1st witness is this morning?

Good Morning! Not a clue who will be next.

Yesterday on WESH.com, reporters stated that dog handlers and Mr. Bloise were in the hallway so it could be one of them. We'll see.

I have my coffee (switch to Diet Coke) and another pile of papers to go through while I watch on the computer. Later I'll switch to watching on TruTV (I hate commercials) and do other housework.

 

[joviroxx]

Good Morning....does anyone know who the 1st witness is this morning?

I believe they said last night the first witness is a short appearance by another CSI/evidence tech.

I also think the cadaver dog handlers are scheduled for some time today.

I was thinking last night who was left to testify. They still have to go through the Equisearch (spell?)searchers (if they call them), Roy Kronk, Dr G and the autopsy, but not sure who else. Im trying to think in terms of the timeline as that is what it seems the prosecution is doing. There are a lot of names on the witness list but many were never called. Any ideas?

Editted: The computer forensics guys too!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I was listening as I was doing some things around the house and I think you explained it pretty well .. At least that's the same thing I got from it.

I think the only time I heard about her getting anxious is when then found Caylee's body!

Me too--but it could have been anxious about getting caught.

She was non-reactive from an earlier discovery at another location (blanchard park?) that turned out to be nothing. She was told that they found something and are checking to see if it was Caylee--her response was tantamount to someone being told the sky was blue. Nothing.

She reacted to the Caylee news--BEFORE THEY CONFIRMED IT WAS CAYLEE.

I'm not sure we are supposed to know any of this--but we do. Jury won't hear about either, I don't believe. Nor should they. But it is another piece to the puzzle showing it could only be Casey who did it.

She reacted to the final discovery--because it Casey could no longer hide behind the kidnapping story.

 

[joviroxx]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but there is a difference between proving she killed her and the body of evidence indicating that she is the only one that could. There is no smoking gun, so no, there is no DIRECT evidence that will say she did it. However, the question will be whether, when all the circumstantial evidence is weighed, there is anyone else that could have done it. I think the prosecution has about 2 weeks left (their projections) and then we'll hear the other side, but the prosecution has made a strong presentation given the facts.

That's how I see it too. And as of right now, without the defense presenting its case, there is no other explanation.

 

[joviroxx]

Me too--but it could have been anxious about getting caught.

She was non-reactive from an earlier discovery at another location (blanchard park?) that turned out to be nothing. She was told that they found something and are checking to see if it was Caylee--her response was tantamount to someone being told the sky was blue. Nothing.

She reacted to the Caylee news--BEFORE THEY CONFIRMED IT WAS CAYLEE.

I'm not sure we are supposed to know any of this--but we do. Jury won't hear about either, I don't believe. Nor should they. But it is another piece to the puzzle showing it could only be Casey who did it.

She reacted to the final discovery--because it Casey could no longer hide behind the kidnapping story.

Exactly!