Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[Kurby]

LISA just admitted to cleaning up a crime sceen.

shame shame shame

 

[Feralpeg]

Yeah all his hits didn't seem to show that his client was not-guilty, though.

The defense doesn't have to prove anything. All they have to do is poke holes in the state's case enough to give the jury reasonable doubt.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

LISA just admitted to cleaning up a crime sceen.

shame shame shame

On a message board no less.

I was drinking a glass of wine a moment a go as well. Is that going to look bad?

 

[Feralpeg]

Question about biology and evidence.
#1 how long does take for a body to decompose to the point where it begins to leak blood?

#2 where would it begin leaking and at what rate? I.e. Could Casey have kept checking the body of Caylee. I.e. Would it begin as spotting or would it gush out. Perhaps Casey noticed and immediately took care of moving her.

#3. I know when my kids get nosebleeds, they often get on clothing, bedding or carpet. My go to to clean it up is hydrogen peroxide or if that isn't available, I will use an Oxyclean solution. It cleans up all visual evidence. Is I possible that if that cleaning procedure were used by either Casey or George that no blood evidence would remain? Or is blood a permanent biological stain that doesn't go away completely?

I don't know the answers, but I don't think it is long. If you've ever notice roadkill. Within a day or so, you'll see them all puffed up and fluids seeping out. Of course, the heat has to play a part in this, but I would think that it would happen in less than a week.

Every day, I am thankful for all the vultures (not human type) that inhabit Florida. They keep the roadkill cleaned up!

 

[Samba]

True...the defense does not have to prove anything in a court of law. But, I agree with many talking heads on TV. Because the accusations in the OS were so outrageous the defense had better come up with some grounds to make them credible.

And, Padilla is creeping me out even more than before!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The defense doesn't have to prove anything. All they have to do is poke holes in the state's case enough to give the jury reasonable doubt.

By law, they do not.

But the jury won't appreciate a bombshell of a story in an opening statement that cannot be backed up. Part of them poking holes will have to include evidence of some kind for that. It is simply human nature and while Casey is protected by the constitution from having to testify and incriminate herself--her documented lies will bite her in the butt if there is no proof or logical explanation for "her side".

The key to the fifth is she doesn't have to incriminate herself--but throwing out those wild accusations is incriminating others and the constitution won't save her.

 

[Kurby]

I don't know the answers, but I don't think it is long. If you've ever notice roadkill. Within a day or so, you'll see them all puffed up and fluids seeping out. Of course, the heat has to play a part in this, but I would think that it would happen in less than a week.

Every day, I am thankful for all the vultures (not human type) that inhabit Florida. They keep the roadkill cleaned up!

ya but i don't think being run over by cars day after day helps either

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't know the answers, but I don't think it is long. If you've ever notice roadkill. Within a day or so, you'll see them all puffed up and fluids seeping out. Of course, the heat has to play a part in this, but I would think that it would happen in less than a week.

Every day, I am thankful for all the vultures (not human type) that inhabit Florida. They keep the roadkill cleaned up!

So if Caylee was wrapped in non-porous plastic---then blood isn't going to seep through it, right?

Good point on the animals!

Caylee being found in plastic bags though would explain the absence of blood stains, wouldn't it?

 

[Feralpeg]

So if Caylee was wrapped in non-porous plastic---then blood isn't going to seep through it, right?

Good point on the animals!

Caylee being found in plastic bags though would explain the absence of blood stains, wouldn't it?

I would think that the plastic bags would provide a barrier for awhile at least unless the bag had a tear or, if the bag was not closed properly and was at an angle to allow seepage. Of course, we'll never know anything about that.

Don't you wish you could have been the one to first examine the evidence? While I find this all fascinating, in a sad sort of way, I also find it so frustrating because their are such gaps in information. Some of it just seems to be common sense, yet no one thought to document it.

 

[Belle0101]

Update on DS accident: Lots of x-rays but no broken bones thank goodness. He's a knot on his head, chest is sore from the airbag going off and his knee is bruised and swollen. He's going to be sore tomorrow.

He said he was going north, had the light, and a driver going south just turned left in front of him. It's up to the insurance company but it really looks like his car is totalled. It's pretty bad. He loved that car too.

DH & DS work for the same company in the sales department. They're the #1 and #2 guys as far as sales go. Now, they're both out from car accidents. DH until August and it hasn't been determined how long for DS. I imagine until sometime next week.

Tomorrow I won't be around to post during the day so keep the updates coming! My cousin's grandma has been moved into assisted living and I'm going to the grandma's house to help them with the estate sale they're having. Not sure I can handle being away from my laptop for a whole day.

 

[Feralpeg]

By law, they do not.

But the jury won't appreciate a bombshell of a story in an opening statement that cannot be backed up. Part of them poking holes will have to include evidence of some kind for that. It is simply human nature and while Casey is protected by the constitution from having to testify and incriminate herself--her documented lies will bite her in the butt if there is no proof or logical explanation for "her side".

The key to the fifth is she doesn't have to incriminate herself--but throwing out those wild accusations is incriminating others and the constitution won't save her.

You are absolutely right. The jury has heard a lot of information about the case from the state's point of view. Now, the defense is trying to lead them to a different take on the info. The defense has a huge job ahead of them.

Personally, I think the defense gave away too much info in their opening statement. They made claims that they will have a hard timing backing up and the jury is expecting them to do so. They would have been better to just say that Casey didn't do it and give no other explanation. The state has no evidence to directly tie Casey to the crime. They have a lot of circumstantial evidence that requires the jury to make a leap of faith. If the defense hadn't made such large claims, they could have just added doubt to the circumstantial evidence.

The defense better have something up their sleeve.

 

[Feralpeg]

ya but i don't think being run over by cars day after day helps either

That definitely reduces the time needed for decay! Here in Florida, roadkill seldom gets run over more than once. The vultures are so fast! They pull it to the side of the road and it is gone within a few minutes. Very efficient system!

Note to self. Do not lay on the road after an accident!

 

[Promomx2]

A couple of questions. Cindy said she noticed one of Caylee's teddy bears missing, was it found at the scene? And do we know if there was any dna found on the winnie the pooh blanket or the canvas bag that was found?

 

[dnoyes]

Question about biology and evidence.
#1 how long does take for a body to decompose to the point where it begins to leak blood?

#2 where would it begin leaking and at what rate? I.e. Could Casey have kept checking the body of Caylee. I.e. Would it begin as spotting or would it gush out. Perhaps Casey noticed and immediately took care of moving her.

#3. I know when my kids get nosebleeds, they often get on clothing, bedding or carpet. My go to to clean it up is hydrogen peroxide or if that isn't available, I will use an Oxyclean solution. It cleans up all visual evidence. Is I possible that if that cleaning procedure were used by either Casey or George that no blood evidence would remain? Or is blood a permanent biological stain that doesn't go away completely?

http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/decomposition
try this

 

[Kurby]

WOW belle. sorry to hear about your son -- i must have missed your post about it.

i'm glad to hear he's ok though and thank god it wasn't worse

 

[Kurby]

That definitely reduces the time needed for decay! Here in Florida, roadkill seldom gets run over more than once. The vultures are so fast! They pull it to the side of the road and it is gone within a few minutes. Very efficient system!

Note to self. Do not lay on the road after an accident!

eeewwwwwwweeeee

now that's not a good bed time story.

 

[hellokitty86]

Glad to hear your son is ok Belle. I hope he isn't too sore tomorrow.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/decomposition
try this

ETA: thanks for the link!

Layman's attempt: internal breakdown alongside skin color changes and the smell of rotting flesh as the skin breaks down...Chromatic period.... (no listed time for this but it would also depend in the environment and circumstances)

THEN the gaseous period---this is when the fluids leak, gasses expand the body and push fluids out...

Then a bunch of other gross stuff that I ain't reading.

But it would seem to me--depending on time schedules...these are two separate and distinct decomp periods. So..to me...it would seem plausible that when the stink issue occurred, that Casey could take care of the body before the leaking or before too much leaking explaining the absence of blood in the trunk.

It would seem the body farm guy can be brought back for testimony to explain that.

 

[hellokitty86]

Then a bunch of other gross stuff that I ain't reading..

I'm surprised you got that far. I know you don't like hearing about that stuff (neither do I!).

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm surprised you got that far. I know you don't like hearing about that stuff (neither do I!).

My turn to take one for the Team. And it helped me show why it was plausible to not have blood in the trunk.