Casey Anthony TRIAL THREAD #1

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It's really tough to win a slander case in the US.

Found out he could not sue anyway, so any opinions I was soliciting on that matter are moot because George cannot do anything about it even if it might be slander.

What do you mean by that? It's possible that something the prosecutor said in opening isn't true or the evidence won't come in the way it was laid out. Is that making it up? Defense counsel wasn't there and neither was the prosecutor. It's the way the game is played.

But for Casey to be indicted, the state had to follow a protocol that demonstrated she was likely the person who did it. (Not sure of the ins and outs.)

George was not afforded that privilege and was thrown under the bus.

What prevents a Defense attorney from creating figments of their client's imagination to throw off the trail of evidence?

The opening statement of the prosecution was 100% fact with questions of where she did it and a statement of some kind that it will all point to Caley. (the timeline she gave is all documented by actual evidence, btw).

The fact that a defense attorney can say what he said today and not be held accountable to it is disgusting. George is not on trial nor has the right to defend himself to those on the record criminal accusations.

How do you know if she's lying?

I don't specifically know that she is not lying. However--her LENGTHY history of lying both before during and after all this, indicates that it is highly probable that she is lying. Defense did not properly have her evaluated to give her claim any credibility. 4 hours with a psychologist???

Corrupt because he's defending his client? It's his job. It's not always easy or fair to victims, but he's doing his job.

Corrupt for other reasons. As he has no proof that George did what he did, I have no proof of what I suspect. But I have ALL ALONG believed him to be quite incompetent and out of his league with this case. His constant mistakes and unprofessional courtroom conduct only add further support to my opinion.

Additionally--WHAT KIND OF ATTORNEY allows their client to remain in jail for THREE years, if they have this kind of bombshell claim? Especially in Florida with accidental drownings that happen regularly. In fact,one coincidentally happened today as I saw the headline while watching a stream of this trial. Drownings NEVER get covered up for ANY reason. It is a pathetic attempt and if it had any real credibility, it would have come up years ago.

I watched one of Nancy Grace's interviews with him from when the kid was still missing. She was insisting he violate attorney client privilege - something that would get him disbarred - to get viewers. It's one thing to hear a civilian journalist say something like that, but another lawyer? C'mon.

Well, she is there for ratings. And if someone else really and truly did that, why on earth would you keep that privileged? It's ridiculous.

Make the state prove their case, sure. But why not do what you can to get your client out of jail if there is a credible explanation that would let her off the hook.

At the worst, she would have gotten prosecuted for being complicit in the mishandling of a body.

They are making it out like the Fugitive and the one armed man did it.

Heck, throw George under the bus from the very beginning. Not three freakin' years later.

This is such an unbelievable claim.

Their client is toast!

 

[Teresa Pitman]

Until I heard/read Jose's statement (I had to work so I listened to some, read the rest on Websleuths), I was willing to allow for a possibility that there might have been some kind of accident, but I thought there must be some willful neglect going along with that accident based on Casey's cold and uncaring behaviour afterwards.

After Jose's attempts to drag in everyone and his dog (yeah, even the dogs), I am now even more convinced that Casey deliberately killed her daughter. This is way too convoluted a story to make sense or be realistic.

The high point of my day, though, was George telling the truth. I wasn't sure he'd come through, but he did.

Teresa

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have to wonder when THIS particular version of Casey's "truth" came out to her attorneys. How long did she string them along with the missing child story?


Legal experts - I know defense attorneys all believe in their client's innocence, but at what point does the guilt become something they just can't defend? Or do they pride themselves on being able to defend anything?

Everyone has a right to a defense.

Guilty people don't have to plea guilty AND their attorney can know they are guilty, I believe. At that point, they are to poke holes into the story.

But I honestly haven't ever seen/heard anything as pointed as Jose's statement that not only provides an alternate theory, but accuses someone else of it and if it were true, then his client could have been out of jail years ago.

We have not heard in 3 years that it was an accident. Not once. Why would a defense attorney keep his client locked up if that was the case?

Parents accidentally leave their children in hot cars and they don't face one day of jail time. In those cases, I feel it is worse than an accidental drowning. But they don't spend 1 day in jail because from the start--IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

Who hides an accident and sits in jail? Who does that?

Mind boggling.

 

[momrek06]

Ok, let me state that I am very late to this case. While I watch tons of TRUtv and am on IS message forums as well as Websleuths … I did not follow CA until recently.

Is this the VERY FIRST time drowning even came up as a cause of death (quite frankly) in my reading of the case can honestly say I have not heard that before today???

If so, why the duct tape. Seems really bizarre to me.

Thanks EVERYONE for your constant replies to this thread as being 3 hours behind, it has been AWESOME to keep up here!!!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have to wonder when THIS particular version of Casey's "truth" came out to her attorneys. How long did she string them along with the missing child story?


Legal experts - I know defense attorneys all believe in their client's innocence, but at what point does the guilt become something they just can't defend? Or do they pride themselves on being able to defend anything?

Mark Nejame at one point said that the defense team knows Casey is lying. He did not violate attorney/client privilege to say about what--but he said they knew. And he is a defense attorney. I would guess that is why he and a few others walked even though they will professionally make other reasons why they are no longer on the case.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I know this isn't exactly the same scenario but a couple weeks back a local mom reported that her 18 month old daughter had been killed in a hit and run accident. It was early in the week, I'm thinking Monday, and by Friday she and her boyfriend had been arrested. They lied. There's just no other way to say it.

Somehow, and it isn't 100% clear just yet, the baby fell out of the boyfriend's vehicle and was run over by him. He asked the mom to lie for him and she did. It's been ruled an accident. There are no plans to file murder charges.

So, just giving Casey the benefit of the doubt, if Caylee did indeed drown, it would seem there would be far less legal trouble if the truth had come out earlier. Again, that's giving Casey the benefit of the doubt.

Am I to understand right though that Jose Baez had actually mentioned during an interview that, not sure how it was actually worded, the focus was on finding Caylee? Speaking as if she were still alive?

I really wonder when the defense's version of the truth came to be.

Not sure how prosecution will weave that in or explain that.

But since Casey is a liar--I am sure that is why Jose mentioned that in his opening statement. She inhibited them finding out this bombshell.

However, he mentioned a bombshell about 2 or so years ago. The whole, "It will be explained in the first minutes of the trial" statement he made.

Doesn't at all explain why he allowed his client to remained jailed on an accidental death that pretty much is never prosecuted much beyond child neglect, if at all.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Ok, let me state that I am very late to this case. While I watch tons of TRUtv and am on IS message forums as well as Websleuths … I did not follow CA until recently.

Is this the VERY FIRST time drowning even came up as a cause of death (quite frankly) in my reading of the case can honestly say I have not heard that before today???

If so, why the duct tape. Seems really bizarre to me.

Thanks EVERYONE for your constant replies to this thread as being 3 hours behind, it has been AWESOME to keep up here!!!

This is the first time anyone has alleged Caylee drowned 'n she wasn't really missin' all that time. Sounds like a Casey story, doesn't it?

I think the defense team came up with that one.

 

[joviroxx]

Lets say for a minute that Baez is right and George was a part of the coverup. My question is.. why? Why cover it up? Accidents happen everyday? What do they gain by a coverup? Just to avoid Cindy's wrath? really????? Lets commit major felonies , make up stories, lie to the authorities, go on national tv, just to avoid Cindy? George was a cop, just call 911!! Again, I don't follow the WHY hide it theory if it was an accident.

If it wasn't an accident, then someone did it. Casey or George? Well, Baez said it wasn't George.....

Then, apparently, everyone involved with this case is corrupt. The cops, Kronk, Dr G, forensic scientist. In Casey's little world, everyone lies and is out to get her.

Watching Baez , it just felt like I was watching spaghetti being thrown at a wall and waiting to see which one stuck. My favorite bits is when he criticizes George's reactions to situations... really? Does he realize WHO his client is? talk about inappropriate reactions.....

I also don't see why you would voluntarily and quietly spend 3 years in jail for an accident. Why wait until now? Why not meet with authorities and tell the truth. No, she would rather spend 3 yrs in a jail cell, abusing the money of Florida tax payers. How many people here would do that? And/Or have an attorney who recommends that? It was like a big reveal today.. lordy, that could have been done years ago and saved everyone time, money and sanity!

Sorry, I don't buy any of it. I try to listen and see if its possible, but I just don't see it.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Lets say for a minute that Baez is right and George was a part of the coverup. My question is.. why? Why cover it up? Accidents happen everyday? What do they gain by a coverup? Just to avoid Cindy's wrath? really????? Lets commit major felonies , make up stories, lie to the authorities, go on national tv, just to avoid Cindy? George was a cop, just call 911!! Again, I don't follow the WHY hide it theory if it was an accident.

If it wasn't an accident, then someone did it. Casey or George? Well, Baez said it wasn't George.....

Then, apparently, everyone involved with this case is corrupt. The cops, Kronk, Dr G, forensic scientist. In Casey's little world, everyone lies and is out to get her.

Watching Baez , it just felt like I was watching spaghetti being thrown at a wall and waiting to see which one stuck. My favorite bits is when he criticizes George's reactions to situations... really? Does he realize WHO his client is? talk about inappropriate reactions.....

I also don't see why you would voluntarily and quietly spend 3 years in jail for an accident. Why wait until now? Why not meet with authorities and tell the truth. No, she would rather spend 3 yrs in a jail cell, abusing the money of Florida tax payers. How many people here would do that? And/Or have an attorney who recommends that? It was like a big reveal today.. lordy, that could have been done years ago and saved everyone time, money and sanity!

Sorry, I don't buy any of it. I try to listen and see if its possible, but I just don't see it.

And why wouldn't George bury Caylee, deep? Makes no sense.

 

[ols386]

Lets say for a minute that Baez is right and George was a part of the coverup. My question is.. why? Why cover it up? Accidents happen everyday? What do they gain by a coverup? Just to avoid Cindy's wrath? really????? Lets commit major felonies , make up stories, lie to the authorities, go on national tv, just to avoid Cindy? George was a cop, just call 911!! Again, I don't follow the WHY hide it theory if it was an accident.

If it wasn't an accident, then someone did it. Casey or George? Well, Baez said it wasn't George.....

Then, apparently, everyone involved with this case is corrupt. The cops, Kronk, Dr G, forensic scientist. In Casey's little world, everyone lies and is out to get her.

Watching Baez , it just felt like I was watching spaghetti being thrown at a wall and waiting to see which one stuck. My favorite bits is when he criticizes George's reactions to situations... really? Does he realize WHO his client is? talk about inappropriate reactions.....

I also don't see why you would voluntarily and quietly spend 3 years in jail for an accident. Why wait until now? Why not meet with authorities and tell the truth. No, she would rather spend 3 yrs in a jail cell, abusing the money of Florida tax payers. How many people here would do that? And/Or have an attorney who recommends that? It was like a big reveal today.. lordy, that could have been done years ago and saved everyone time, money and sanity!

Sorry, I don't buy any of it. I try to listen and see if its possible, but I just don't see it.

What do you think the jury thought about Baez's opening statements? Do you think they bought in to it?

 

[Belle0101]

Lets say for a minute that Baez is right and George was a part of the coverup. My question is.. why? Why cover it up? Accidents happen everyday? What do they gain by a coverup? Just to avoid Cindy's wrath? really????? Lets commit major felonies , make up stories, lie to the authorities, go on national tv, just to avoid Cindy? George was a cop, just call 911!! Again, I don't follow the WHY hide it theory if it was an accident.

If it wasn't an accident, then someone did it. Casey or George? Well, Baez said it wasn't George.....

Then, apparently, everyone involved with this case is corrupt. The cops, Kronk, Dr G, forensic scientist. In Casey's little world, everyone lies and is out to get her.

Watching Baez , it just felt like I was watching spaghetti being thrown at a wall and waiting to see which one stuck. My favorite bits is when he criticizes George's reactions to situations... really? Does he realize WHO his client is? talk about inappropriate reactions.....

I also don't see why you would voluntarily and quietly spend 3 years in jail for an accident. Why wait until now? Why not meet with authorities and tell the truth. No, she would rather spend 3 yrs in a jail cell, abusing the money of Florida tax payers. How many people here would do that? And/Or have an attorney who recommends that? It was like a big reveal today.. lordy, that could have been done years ago and saved everyone time, money and sanity!

Sorry, I don't buy any of it. I try to listen and see if its possible, but I just don't see it.

Years ago I used to know someone like that. The lies were, at first, so believable that I started feeling sorry for them.

As time went by I could sense that something was just off about them. This person would lie when the truth would have been better accepted. Really bizarre.

We have an acquaintance (sp?) in common and they are still like to this day. Maybe worse. Everything that goes wrong is always, always, somebody else's fault. Everybody, except them of course, lies, and yes, all their troubles are because everyone is out to get them.

There's got to be some sort of disconnect with reality there.

Oh, just realized NG is on. I normally don't watch her, she's too loud for my tastes, but this might be interesting. It's either that or take out the trash.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

What do you think the jury thought about Baez's opening statements? Do you think they bought in to it?

I think they would be open to the possibility. But it will be shredded by the prosecution. It honestly cannot be explained at all.

I did hear that the Roy Kronk thing was the most credible part of the defense. Prosecution experts have indicated that prosecution cannot ignore the weird circumstances about that discovery. I don't think Jose will be good at cross examining him though when he is on the witness stand.

At the most, I suspect it will make him look like he helped Casey, not exonerate her.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

NG is on...hey for once "Breaking News" is an accurate statement on her part.

 

[ols386]

I think they would be open to the possibility. But it will be shredded by the prosecution. It honestly cannot be explained at all.

I did hear that the Roy Kronk thing was the most credible part of the defense. Prosecution experts have indicated that prosecution cannot ignore the weird circumstances about that discovery. I don't think Jose will be good at cross examining him though when he is on the witness stand.

At the most, I suspect it will make him look like he helped Casey, not exonerate her.

Yep, I remember when all of that information was being released in the media, and it did seem weird at the time.

 

[Belle0101]

I need to read about Roy Kronk's part in this. I'm all confused on that. He found a skull, he saw a snake, he found the remains, he moved the body, he called the authorities ... I had a hard time following that.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Eyes for lies has posted about today already-only a poll. But she plans to review George's testimony and comment on it eventually. (might be a day or two)

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I need to read about Roy Kronk's part in this. I'm all confused on that. He found a skull, he saw a snake, he found the remains, he moved the body, he called the authorities ... I had a hard time following that.

He also called 911 several times in August.

It is weird, for certain.

 

[HLAuburn]

I haven't read all the posts here and I've just seen bits and pieces of what went on today in court, but I wanted to throw a few things out there...

Since George isn't on trial, could the state later come back and accuse him of what the defense is saying he did involving Caylee?

Does anyone think he had prior knowledge that this was going to be the defense?

He didn't look too shocked or horrified by the things they were saying he did to his own daughter and granddaughter. I also didn't think he looked like he was telling the truth when he said "no I did not" about molesting Casey and covering up Caylee's death. If someone accused me of such horrific, untrue things, I'd be beside myself, and he just didn't look fazed by it.

 

[diznygirl]

What do you think the jury thought about Baez's opening statements? Do you think they bought in to it?

Some of the people posting on the Orlando Sentinal Live Chat believed Baez. The ones most on Casey's side were victims of abuse themselves, so seemed more willing to believe.

I think they would be open to the possibility. But it will be shredded by the prosecution. It honestly cannot be explained at all.

I think Baez suggesting that Caylee drowned is reasonable doubt - but then continuing on with the rest of it - which I don't really all understand myself - the meter reader, dogs and snakes were involved? How did the meter reader get the body from the Anthonys? Why is there duct tape on Caylee's mouth? Why claim an accidental death now when it could have saved taxpayers loads of money by coming out with it sooner?

Someone else mentioned it before - the doubt has to be "reasonable." I think Baez blew it with too many things.

 

[JodiR]

If I remember correctly, Kronk is not on the witness list. His son is though and maybe an ex-wife?

I think they would be open to the possibility. But it will be shredded by the prosecution. It honestly cannot be explained at all.

I did hear that the Roy Kronk thing was the most credible part of the defense. Prosecution experts have indicated that prosecution cannot ignore the weird circumstances about that discovery. I don't think Jose will be good at cross examining him though when he is on the witness stand.

At the most, I suspect it will make him look like he helped Casey, not exonerate her.