Casey Anthony TRIAL THREAD #1

[usnuzuloose]

I'd forgotten about her.

Push comes to shove, Baez ends up poking enough holes, she may well be a lone holdout on a Not Guilty verdict.

What is her juror number? I thought they stuck her out due to that purpose. I remember right the judge excused her.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Wonder if George and Cindy will disown their child now.

You know what? For all I said before about how much I love my kids with all my heart...and I do...how would parents even have a relationship with her after all that? I think they need to walk away from her after all this.

I was thinking, let's just SUPPOSE if George was really involved, and there really was a cover up, don't you think he would have dug her a more proper grave since he loved her so much? Assuming he could have dug a grave. I'm assuming Casey couldn't & that's why she just dumped her. I can't see George, putting her in trash bags. Also, I assume he would have buried her & meter reader wouldn't have been able to find her to move her. The meter reader moving body part is probably the most laughable in the entire story.

And would George really leave it up to Casey to take care of? She was the one who backed the car into the garage.

Is this the VERY FIRST time drowning even came up as a cause of death (quite frankly) in my reading of the case can honestly say I have not heard that before today???

If so, why the duct tape. Seems really bizarre to me.

Thanks EVERYONE for your constant replies to this thread as being 3 hours behind, it has been AWESOME to keep up here!!!

I recall drowning being suggested over the years, but maybe just speculation on the part of news commentators? And momrek06, you need to move to the east coast for a couple of months. Must be frustrating!

Lets say for a minute that Baez is right and George was a part of the coverup. My question is.. why? Why cover it up? Accidents happen everyday? What do they gain by a coverup? Just to avoid Cindy's wrath? really????? Lets commit major felonies , make up stories, lie to the authorities, go on national tv, just to avoid Cindy? George was a cop, just call 911!! Again, I don't follow the WHY hide it theory if it was an accident.

And why would he not call for help to SAVE Caylee? Isn't that what one does...the responsible adult man that he is...when finding a loved one (or ANYONE) in a pool? Do you really just decide that there's no hope to save her? And Casey...she ran to them and took Caylee and held her and cried. Why wouldn't George start CPR and yell to Casey to call 911? And IF George was sure Caylee was dead, wouldn't he be so overwhelmed with grief that he'd more likely slump to the ground and hold them both? Would he really just start barking accusations to Casey about how pissed off Cindy is going to be???

Does anyone think he had prior knowledge that this was going to be the defense?

He didn't look too shocked or horrified by the things they were saying he did to his own daughter and granddaughter. I also didn't think he looked like he was telling the truth when he said "no I did not" about molesting Casey and covering up Caylee's death. If someone accused me of such horrific, untrue things, I'd be beside myself, and he just didn't look fazed by it.

We all had prior knowledge or signs that there'd be accusations of sexual abuse...I don't think anyone was quite expecting what came out. But I think he acted appropriately...strongly denying it. If he had gotten shaken up, I think he would have looked guilty. JMHO

Calling several times isn't that weird. But the fact that he just happened to stumble across the body 4 months after his initial call is pretty weird. And if he was so positive that what he saw was a skull wouldn't he have gone back a few days later to check it out himself?

If I saw something like that and called the police, I'd stay there and wait for them to arrive. What DID the police do??? Did they go there? Did they NOT say to him "Please wait there"?

What is really odd about this case is that there is no physical evidence connecting Casey to the death of Caylee. No fingerprints, etc.

Fingerprints on what?

There is always that possibility and I think that is what Bozo is aiming for. It doesn't help that they have that juror that "doesn't feel she should judge people"

Yup, just put reasonable doubt into the head of one juror, and they've got it made.

Now back to this, for the life of me I don't see how anyone buy's the Baez story. They allege this was a drowning and the father wanted to cover it up. Now the father is an old detective, he'd be the first person to know that was the wrong thing to do as if it were an accident there would be no jail time (in all likelihood), the whole thing just makes no sense.

Agreed.

 

[ols386]

There is always that possibility and I think that is what Bozo is aiming for. It doesn't help that they have that juror that "doesn't feel she should judge people"

What if it does end up as a hung jury? Do they then have to go through another jury selection process, and have a new trial?

If that's the case, the trial could go on for years.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

What if it does end up as a hung jury? Do they then have to go through another jury selection process, and have a new trial?

If that's the case, the trial could go on for years.

Basic answer---



http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_happens_in_a_hung_jury_situation

So if it is just one hold out for a guilty plea--prosecution would retry.

Time to get kids to bed, so can't dig through better Florida-specific answers.

 

[Belle0101]

What is her juror number? I thought they stuck her out due to that purpose. I remember right the judge excused her.

Seat 4
Juror #1319
» African American woman, about 40
» Reluctant to judge people, "That's for God to do."
» Prosecution (Batson rule) tried to preempt challenge her. Defense objected that she was being eliminated just because of her race. Judge agreed
» Plays games like Farmville
» Doesn’t watch news
» No opinion on DP

 

[whatsup]

What is really odd about this case is that there is no physical evidence connecting Casey to the death of Caylee. No fingerprints, etc.

No evidence has been shown yet. It WILL come, this is only day one. Defense has to put doubt and wonder in the minds of the jury, that is their job. State will show otherwise. So far defense has blamed everyone but Casey!! George, Lee, police the meter reader etc....

 

[Belle0101]

I think in the case of a hung jury / mistrial may re-try the case. I don't think it's an automatic given that the state will prosecute again.

 

[Belle0101]

Are these the current, and accurate, indictments?

first-degree murder
aggravated child abuse
aggravated manslaughter of a child
four counts of providing false information to law enforcement

 

[usnuzuloose]

Seat 4
Juror #1319
» African American woman, about 40
» Reluctant to judge people, "That's for God to do."
» Prosecution (Batson rule) tried to preempt challenge her. Defense objected that she was being eliminated just because of her race. Judge agreed
» Plays games like Farmville
» Doesn’t watch news
» No opinion on DP

Thanks I saw that after I posted, but we still dont know what her take might be ob this after hearing everything.

 

[joviroxx]

What is her juror number? I thought they stuck her out due to that purpose. I remember right the judge excused her.

Are these the current, and accurate, indictments?

first-degree murder
aggravated child abuse
aggravated manslaughter of a child
four counts of providing false information to law enforcement

lets not forget the previous charges of forgery and theft for stealing money and forging checks of her friend Amy Huizenga. None, of course, which could be mentioned at THIS trial.

 

[usnuzuloose]

lets not forget the previous charges of forgery and theft for stealing money and forging checks of her friend Amy Huizenga. None, of course, which could be mentioned at THIS trial.

I think the state is going to be bringing alot of stuff that even the defense may not expect. The state knows how to bring everything together to make sure the jury is paying attention. You cant give them everything all at once. I cant wait till tomorrow as the whole day now will give way for witnesses, evidence and what ever else may come in.

 

[Iheartdis]

If Casey is convicted and sentenced to death, she may be spending some time with any or all of these 3 women
Tiffany Cole

DC# J35212 WF, born 12/3/81, was sentenced from Duval County on March 6, 2008 for her role in the double murder of a Jacksonville couple who was buried alive. She is currently on death row at Lowell Correctional Institution.

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Emilia L. Carr

DC# U24131 WF, born 8/4/84 was sentenced from Marion County on February 22, 2011 for the kidnapping and murder of her co-defendant’s ex-wife, Heather Strong, 26. The co-defendants, who were dating at the time the time of the murder and have a child together, are accused of having lured Strong into a storage trailer behind Carr's mother's home, duct-taping her to a chair, putting a plastic bag over her head and suffocating her. The victim’s body was found a month later (March 2009) in a shallow grave. The jury recommended the death penalty by a 7-5 majority. Carr is currently on death row at Lowell CI Annex.

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Margaret A. Allen

DC# 699575 BF, born 1/23/66, was sentenced to death from Brevard County on May 19, 2011 for torturing and killing her housekeeper, Wenda Wright, whom she thought had stolen money from her purse. The jury unanimously voted for the death penalty for her. She also got a life sentence for kidnapping. Prosecutors said the torture went on for hours before Wright was strangled with a belt. Allen's roommate, James Martin, and nephew, Quinton Allen, were both convicted for their part in helping her try to bury the body in a shallow grave

 

[T*Bird]

I haven't read through the entire thread, so I apologize if this has already been mentioned and discussed. I was talking about the case with a friend, and this popped into my head. Could it be possible that George is in on this defense story? George and Cindy have always been "ruled" by Casey and seemed to do anything and everything for her. Could it be that George is taking the bullet by allowing the defense to throw him under the bus in an attempt to create reasonable doubt? I know it sounds absurd, who would ever agree to something so horrible, but in this family, nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[Dee77]

I think that the defense was originally set up to throw Lee under the bus with the accusation of molestation, the letter she wrote to the friend in jail said her brother did things and that she thinks that maybe her father did also years before when she was younger. Once George attempted suicide is when he went from the back burner of the accusation to the front.

I think the "statement" that George made to his girlfriend is one of frustration and maybe the start of some cracks in Casey's story in his mind. I think that he really wanted to rally behind the babysitter kidnapped her story but after months of it going nowhere, I think that George started thinking in terms of Casey's guilt but thinking of it as an accident that snow-balled out of control was easier for him to accept.

 

[joviroxx]

I haven't read through the entire thread, so I apologize if this has already been mentioned and discussed. I was talking about the case with a friend, and this popped into my head. Could it be possible that George is in on this defense story? George and Cindy have always been "ruled" by Casey and seemed to do anything and everything for her. Could it be that George is taking the bullet by allowing the defense to throw him under the bus in an attempt to create reasonable doubt? I know it sounds absurd, who would ever agree to something so horrible, but in this family, nothing surprises me anymore.

Something Ive thought of as a possibility. Id hope not but you never know with that family.I want to believe that the Anthony's knew about the accidental drowning but were surprised with the sexual abuse and George trying to cover it all up. Either way, it still doesn't make sense and it still makes this family one sick mess!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I think the "statement" that George made to his girlfriend is one of frustration and maybe the start of some cracks in Casey's story in his mind. I think that he really wanted to rally behind the babysitter kidnapped her story but after months of it going nowhere, I think that George started thinking in terms of Casey's guilt but thinking of it as an accident that snow-balled out of control was easier for him to accept.

This, this, a thousand times this!

Gosh it kind of makes you wonder if something you say is going to come back to bite you in the *** someday in a courtroom or police investigation.

 

[joviroxx]

This, this, a thousand times this!

Gosh it kind of makes you wonder if something you say is going to come back to bite you in the *** someday in a courtroom or police investigation.

You know, everything they have said and done to try and help Casey and cover for her will now be contorted and used against them. Its ironic.

The more I think about it, the more ridiculous Baez is. He says Casey is a born liar, she always has been due to her upbringing. But NOW, when she is facing the worse, she has finally decided to tell the truth? She never has before. She's always created bigger lies to get out of her messes. The lies have gotten bigger and bigger, and now apparently, the biggest one yet.

 

[NY Disney fan]

I think the "statement" that George made to his girlfriend is one of frustration

What did I miss? George has a girlfriend...he's not married to Cindy anymore?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

This, this, a thousand times this!

Gosh it kind of makes you wonder if something you say is going to come back to bite you in the *** someday in a courtroom or police investigation.

I have only sat in as a witness on one court case regarding a contested ticket for an accident I saw.

Thankfully not worthy of digging up my past or anything like that.

But long story short, I was nervous and got tripped up on the witness stand. My story changed--but not because I changed it, I just got confused in what I was saying. Plus the attorney was a mean guy (IMHO). In retrospect, I understand what he was trying to do. The accident was a common maneuver caused by most high school students en route to school in this location. And while I Am confident who went first, since they attempted the maneuver so close in time together, it was easy to mix them up.

But once I took my unintentional misstep in confusing cars (too this day, I would still get makes and models confused especially when the cars were close to the same color and no pictures were provided )--the lawyer seized it and ran with it.

I was kind of embarrassed. I do know who went first (the girl ran off the road) because from a physics perspective--she couldn't have been run off the road by the other girl (Which she was) had she not attempted to pass her first.

Lawyers can and will use any statement to get their client off.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

What did I miss? George has a girlfriend...he's not married to Cindy anymore?

Affair.