Casey Anthony TRIAL THREAD #1

[TLSnell1981]

George said he was in the delivery room and saw Caylee being born. I wonder, if Casey was really molested by George, would it be odd that she'd have him there seeing her private parts? I would think Casey wouldn't want George anywhere near her private body at a time like that. I do admit, though, that I have no experience with being sexually molested, so I'm just guessing. Thoughts?

Normally, the father of the child would be in the delivery room. Odd for her father to be in this setting. IMO

 

[hellokitty86]

Something jumped out at me during the state's opening argument and I see Dr Glass (body language expert) noticed it too

Hmmmm.....

I noticed the same thing!!

 

[usnuzuloose]

Something jumped out at me during the state's opening argument and I see Dr Glass (body language expert) noticed it too

You know how Casey nods her head NO every time the prosecution says something she doesn't like? Her head was a bobble head no-ing until one time she shook her head yes! Dr Glass says this on her blog:

DOES CASEY ADMIT GUILT BY NODDING HER HEAD YES?

The something major happened body language wise where Casey may appear to possibly be admitting guilt. It is around 17: 25 Linda Drane Burdick says There is no other reason to put multiple pieces of duct tape on a child’s face mouth and nose other than the other than the specific intent to end that child’s life. Casey nods YES twice as Linda says these words! To me that is a huge revelation body languaguage wise.

Hmmmm.....

I did not read that where can I read it?

 

[Aisling]

Something jumped out at me during the state's opening argument and I see Dr Glass (body language expert) noticed it too

You know how Casey nods her head NO every time the prosecution says something she doesn't like? Her head was a bobble head no-ing until one time she shook her head yes! Dr Glass says this on her blog:

DOES CASEY ADMIT GUILT BY NODDING HER HEAD YES?

The something major happened body language wise where Casey may appear to possibly be admitting guilt. It is around 17: 25 Linda Drane Burdick says There is no other reason to put multiple pieces of duct tape on a child’s face mouth and nose other than the other than the specific intent to end that child’s life. Casey nods YES twice as Linda says these words! To me that is a huge revelation body languaguage wise.

Hmmmm.....

But why would she nod her head yes to guilt???

 

[usnuzuloose]

I agree that it's unbelievable. I suspect that CA had been using chloroform on her daughter so she could party and decided to get rid of her once and for all. She probably got her to sleep with the chloroform and then smothered her with the duct tape. Sickening to imagine...

What did they say about her jawbone?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Normally, the father of the child would be in the delivery room. Odd for her father to be in this setting. IMO

Not odd at all. Some people have extended family.

Casey may be odd, but she would not be the first nor the last to have her parents in the delivery room.

It may not be everyone's cup of tea. YMMV.

(I had pretty much most of my family who was there for my first daughter's birth. The staff pushed the bed out and they crammed behind. Spur of the moment last minute decision and only those who wanted to stay stayed. I just opted to not kick them out. )

Clearly if she was a victim of sexual abuse, then that would put it past beyond bizarre.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

But why would she nod her head yes to guilt???

Who knows---but some body language is subconcious. We don't even realize we are doing it. Perhaps she meant to shake her head "no" but shook it in the affirmative instead.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I was watching last night's Nancy Grace and this case is just about to do me in. I cannot watch any of it anymore or watch NG anymore. I think NG is actually doing a pretty good job of covering it, but she is much softer than normal and is balancing her coverage with tributes to Caylee.

I am going to have to stick with just printed words of what is going on in the case.

So sad for this little girl.

 

[Dr.Girlfriend]

Edited: I don't agree with the way that Jose acted in this, but still...

http://http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/05/casey-anthony-jose-baez-in-bizarre-situation-with-reporters.html

 

[Dee77]

What happened yesterday after court? I tried the link but it didn't work.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Not odd at all. Some people have extended family.

Casey may be odd, but she would not be the first nor the last to have her parents in the delivery room.

It may not be everyone's cup of tea. YMMV.

(I had pretty much most of my family who was there for my first daughter's birth. The staff pushed the bed out and they crammed behind. Spur of the moment last minute decision and only those who wanted to stay stayed. I just opted to not kick them out. )

Clearly if she was a victim of sexual abuse, then that would put it past beyond bizarre.

I agree. There's a wide range of people attending births these days. It's all about the comfort level of those involved.

I was watching last night's Nancy Grace and this case is just about to do me in. I cannot watch any of it anymore or watch NG anymore. I think NG is actually doing a pretty good job of covering it, but she is much softer than normal and is balancing her coverage with tributes to Caylee.

I am going to have to stick with just printed words of what is going on in the case.

So sad for this little girl.

Some of the "experts" and commentators are really getting to me. They don't QUITE get the story right. Nancy Grace said, after opening statements, about not believing the defense story, something like "George runs into the house with Caylee's body..." He didn't do that. It just paints a whole different picture.

There's an InSession or HLN commentator...not sure of her name...who has George just about convicted of sexual abuse because of his body language...he looked down and paused before answering the question of did he sexually abuse Casey. I saw it as, and other commentators have said, George composing himself. There's one woman body language expert who has worked with all sorts of police departments who made some very valid arguments FOR George's innocence based on his body language.

Obviously, if all one had to do was read body language to determine guilt or innocence, we wouldn't need trials. But for some of these commentators to "convict" George is despicable.

 

[Heidict]

Busy day yesterday. Sorry I didn't get to join in on the conversation here, but I did get to at least listen to most of the witnesses. Wonder who will be up on the stand today?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree. There's a wide range of people attending births these days. It's all about the comfort level of those involved. Some of the "experts" and commentators are really getting to me. They don't QUITE get the story right. Nancy Grace said, after opening statements, about not believing the defense story, something like "George runs into the house with Caylee's body..." He didn't do that. It just paints a whole different picture.

There's an InSession or HLN commentator...not sure of her name...who has George just about convicted of sexual abuse because of his body language...he looked down and paused before answering the question of did he sexually abuse Casey. I saw it as, and other commentators have said, George composing himself. There's one woman body language expert who has worked with all sorts of police departments who made some very valid arguments FOR George's innocence based on his body language.

Obviously, if all one had to do was read body language to determine guilt or innocence, we wouldn't need trials. But for some of these commentators to "convict" George is despicable.

That is why I like Eyes for Lies' blog. She is 1 of 50 in the world who actually reads body language correctly most of the time. (We were all shocked when she got balloon boy wrong!) She actually helps to train people to do this and it is something she does naturally.

Sometimes, people read body language one way when it should be read another. She has TONS of links about it..things like "microexpressions" which she really didn't go into too much detail with or really even mention in her analysis of George.

But "we"--the laypeople who do not possess this skill or are 1 of the 50 or whatever where it is innate, will often think we know what we are reading, but we really don't.

 

[horseshowmom]

What did they say about her jawbone?

That the duct tape was placed over her mouth and nose before she was killed.

 

[usnuzuloose]

That the duct tape was placed over her mouth and nose before she was killed.

I thought there maybe something specific about the jawbone

 

[cabanafrau]

I never said she wasn't competent to stand trial. Is that in question? Mentally ill people stand trial every day.

I do not know, what (or if any) treatment Casey has received. Everyone around Casey keeps saying she seemed normal. Many mentally ill or abuse victims appear normal...on the surface anyways.

Something's not right in that home. I tend to believe the abuse claim. It doesn't excuse murder, but I'm not convinced Caylee was murdered. My opinion may change during the trial.

The key is your mental illness at the time of trial cannot be such that you are unable to assist with your own defense.

I can be a narcissistic personality, be an axe murderer, go to trial w/ my narcissistic personality disorder & be competent to stand trial. I could also simultaneously claim an insanity defense -- either my narcissism or some other disorder that I assert I had at the time of the murder, thereby making me non-responsible for my actions according to my insanity plea.

Convoluted but does happen.

 

[cabanafrau]

It's not that she isn't mentally competent to stand trial, it's that she's usin' a mental illness to explain her behavior in coverin' up Caylee's death.

It's similar to the woman who had the outburst during jury selection, she was mentally ill, could state her conditions 'n medications.

I just wanna know if Casey's on medication for her illness.

Hell, I don't put it past this defense attorney to ask for an appeal after this trial is over claimin' Casey wasn't competent to stand trial if he doesn't get the verdict he wants.

I'm pretty darn certain that claiming Casey wasn't competent is not available at this point. That is determined pre-trial by a court-ordered forensic examination. There is a possibility that they can claim Casey has developed diminished capacity during the trial proceedings, but again, the Defense has to put that before the judge immediately if a concern arises. I'm sure a Defense atty would at the very least face censure for proceeding w/ a trial if they believe their client in any way has become incompetent to stand trial.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I agree. There's a wide range of people attending births these days. It's all about the comfort level of those involved. Some of the "experts" and commentators are really getting to me. They don't QUITE get the story right. Nancy Grace said, after opening statements, about not believing the defense story, something like "George runs into the house with Caylee's body..." He didn't do that. It just paints a whole different picture.

There's an InSession or HLN commentator...not sure of her name...who has George just about convicted of sexual abuse because of his body language...he looked down and paused before answering the question of did he sexually abuse Casey. I saw it as, and other commentators have said, George composing himself. There's one woman body language expert who has worked with all sorts of police departments who made some very valid arguments FOR George's innocence based on his body language.

Obviously, if all one had to do was read body language to determine guilt or innocence, we wouldn't need trials. But for some of these commentators to "convict" George is despicable.

I saw that 'n thought oh, here we go with all the body language "experts," drives me nuts coz first, it's all open for interpretation 'n second, it's not evidence by legal standards.

That is why I like Eyes for Lies' blog. She is 1 of 50 in the world who actually reads body language correctly most of the time. (We were all shocked when she got balloon boy wrong!) She actually helps to train people to do this and it is something she does naturally.

Sometimes, people read body language one way when it should be read another. She has TONS of links about it..things like "microexpressions" which she really didn't go into too much detail with or really even mention in her analysis of George.

But "we"--the laypeople who do not possess this skill or are 1 of the 50 or whatever where it is innate, will often think we know what we are reading, but we really don't.

And yet she got the balloon boy wrong.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I'm pretty darn certain that claiming Casey wasn't competent is not available at this point. That is determined pre-trial by a court-ordered forensic examination. There is a possibility that they can claim Casey has developed diminished capacity during the trial proceedings, but again, the Defense has to put that before the judge immediately if a concern arises. I'm sure a Defense atty would at the very least face censure for proceeding w/ a trial if they believe their client in any way has become incompetent to stand trial.

LOL, late last night after I went to bed, I thought about that!

I'm waitin' for that now!

 

[usnuzuloose]

Why oh why does Baez like getting in trouble? Right out of the gate, he was told he could not talk about this yesturday.