Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[usnuzuloose]

See this is what annoys me when Caylee was "missing" they did anything they could to get media attention(NOT that I blame them I would do the same thing) now they cannot get away from it. I hate to use this well worn idiom a la NG but when you dance with the devil you eventually need to pay the piper. If they are bothered then they need to blame their "sainted" daughter not media or onlookers it was who Casey indirectly brought it into their lives.

Just a question. If Casey has not been released yet and I really believe she has, how far does the state have to protect her? Till she is out the door of the prison or until she is off the jail property?

Well hopefully not the state of Florida, I dont live there but enough is enough. All the civil lawsuits they wont be providing state asststance so I dont know how long her attorneys are going to offer her probono work. At some point one of them will get fed up with it and tell she has to move on.

 

[Kurby]

See this is what annoys me when Caylee was "missing" they did anything they could to get media attention(NOT that I blame them I would do the same thing) now they cannot get away from it. I hate to use this well worn idiom a la NG but when you dance with the devil you eventually need to pay the piper. If they are bothered then they need to blame their "sainted" daughter not media or onlookers it was who Casey indirectly brought it into their lives.

Just a question. If Casey has not been released yet and I really believe she has, how far does the state have to protect her? Till she is out the door of the prison or until she is off the jail property?

someone was saying friday i think that "custody = liability"

once she is released she's technically on her own but the state may have to protect her for a few months until the "hype" dies down.

 

[usnuzuloose]

IMO, let Baez take resopnonsibility. He wanted her out so badly

 

[LisaR]

Well hopefully not the state of Florida, I dont live there but enough is enough. All the civil lawsuits they wont be providing state asststance so I dont know how long her attorneys are going to offer her probono work. At some point one of them will get fed up with it and tell she has to move on.

Unfortunately, I believe the state of FL will continue to protect her for awhile. They continue to provide protection to George and Cindy with police cars in and around their subdivision 24/7.

I don't think the police will act as personal body guards to Casey but I do think they will make sure there is extra police presence if she stays in FL. The best thing that can happen is that she moves out of this state. Actually, I can think of a better thing that can happen but I won't say it here.

 

[joviroxx]

Geraldo was telling Bill O'Reilly that the defense told them she needs peace , counselling and therapy. He thinks she will be going to a secluded haven, some kind of therapy center? Who knows.

I think the State's "official" responsibility ends when she is off the jail's property.

 

[rie'smom]

That's all fine and dandy, but Nancy Grace isn't on trial here. I don't have cable and live in the PNW, so I never saw any of the media frenzy people are talking about. I watched the trial footage online. . .one of the local Orlando channels (WFTV. . just looked ON THE FIRST POST, Mare!) and only saw a little commentary. . . and I still thought the jury didn't do their job!!!

I would have happily accepted a not guilty verdict if I thought, through my own reasoning, that it was justified in the eyes of the jury. . .but so far what we have heard from those that have spoken out. . .uh. . .weren't sure if ICA was Caylee's "caretaker". . . .really!!!??? The definition was right there in the darn jury instructions! GRRRRRRR. They didn't feel like their was enough evidence to give her the death penalty. But, as I'm sure you know, they are not to consider sentencing during the deliberation of a verdict. And. . .big AND. . .in sentencing the burden of proof is only preponderance of the evidence, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt! We didn't know how she died. . .so. You don't have to know that to convict. They bought the drowning story, without any evidence. . .without it making any logical sense. The DT could have said she died from complications of Alzheimer's and they would have went with that. . .cause they didn't have any concrete proof of how she died. But is that reasonable? No. . .we all know that toddler's don't die from complications of Alzheimer's. .. just like we know that toddlers that accidentally drown in the family pool don't end up in the woods wrapped in garbage bags and duct tape. . .after spending a few hot days in their Mom's car. Knowing how or why a victim died has NOTHING to do with the burden of proof. It certainly helps, but it's not required.

The public has just as much right to be outraged and vocal about how they feel as much as ICA had a right to a trial by jury. The 6th Amendment doesn't outweigh the 1st. The verdict stands. . .and people can voice how much they don't like it and think the jury didn't meet their responsibilities. Riddle me this Joker. . .if the jury really did have any "reasonable" doubt why did they know the public was going to find fault with their verdict? What was it inside of them that knew they were going against what most people following along felt?

No one is on trial anymore. poster brought up NG and I responded.

The jury may not have known the amount of outrage their verdict would bring because they were sequestered. I'm willing to bet it took about 5 seconds after they were not sequestered any more. All they had to do was see the crazies when they left the courthouse.

Having lived in FL in 2008..it is silly to blame Ng when the local news media was the reason locals Were saturated with it. (I believe that was the legal litmus.)

As for leaving...yep. Odd. Her husband can't/won't join her until the names are released?

To me it reveals deepr issues with how things went.

Nancy Grace was involved with this story almost from the beginning and brought national attention to the case. There were other news stories before hers but she gave it nightly attention.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Unfortunately, I believe the state of FL will continue to protect her for awhile. They continue to provide protection to George and Cindy with police cars in and around their subdivision 24/7.

I don't think the police will act as personal body guards to Casey but I do think they will make sure there is extra police presence if she stays in FL. The best thing that can happen is that she moves out of this state. Actually, I can think of a better thing that can happen but I won't say it here.

How does everyone think she will do with the depo coming up? Think she will take the 5th. Not show up? Of course taking the 5th is like an admission of guilt. I am sure she is very nervous.

 

[T*Bird]

Saturday we went to see Nicole in the NICU.

we've been doing it for 12 days and everything was going great.

well - I picked up all her cords for the heart monitor and since she wasn't coming off the CPAP machine i gathered those tubes too and sat down with her.

she fussed a little but calmed down in a few minutes and we spend about 20 minutes cuddling her.

our main nurse was on her break and when she came in the first thing she said was.

"oh mom" and she reached for Nicole's feeding tube.

Apparently they had attached the tube and bottle to the crib which had never been done before (or at least had never been attached when we were there) and when i sat down in the chair beside the crib it pulled the tube out of her nose.

because of the CPAP machine i didn't see the tube come out and it was an accident but i still feel soooooo horrible that it happened and because it was my fault i made her be so uncomfortable when it had to be put back in. she cried and i cried.

i even cried late that night.



Yesterday we went and the same nurse was there. The tube was again attached to the crib and when she came it i was sitting with the crib side down but didn't move Nikki.

I told her i wasn't going to move her and kind of laughed.

when she unhooked the tube and wrapped it up i told her that's how it always was when we came in.

She was taken off the CPAP machine and i was able to nurse her again. she nursed for about 6 minutes then fell asleep.

i still feel bad but she's ok so I have to move on and try not to be too upset with what happened.

i guess when she's older it will be just one of those stories i tell her about the time she was in the NICU


all the nurses are fantastic but this one (and it's not that she said something it's that she didn't say anything to make me feel better) made me feel so bad about it.

it's strange how someone can make a 43 year old second time mom feel like some teenage first time, don't know anything mom.

normally i'd feel bad for a little then move on because i know it was truly an accident (like really what mom would do that on purpose). must be the hormones that are making me nuts with guilt

I know in time i'll get past it

I've been away from the thread a lot while on vacation, but I am so glad to hear that Nicole is doing better! The pics you posted are beautiful!

I'm so sorry that nurse didn't comfort you after the incident with the feeding tube. They should realize that NICU parents need just as much TLC as the babies.

What really strikes me about your post and how upset you were after thinking you had done something inadvertently to possibly cause your baby discomfort is that we are on a thread discussing just the OPPOSITE type of mother. I don't even like to use the word "mother" when talking about CA. The way you felt was the way a true, loving mother would feel. Anything that hurts your child hurts you 1,000 times more. Isn't it sad that Caylee's mother never cared or hurt for her?

I hope you can bring your baby girl home soon!

 

[Samba]

I wonder if KC craves peace and therapy? We will see how well she stays out of trouble.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

How does everyone think she will do with the depo coming up? Think she will take the 5th. Not show up? Of course taking the 5th is like an admission of guilt. I am sure she is very nervous.

She may be revisiting a jail cell if she decides to not show up.

Now her attorney and ZG's attorney can chat about that...but she can't ignore the subpoena.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Nancy Grace was involved with this story almost from the beginning and brought national attention to the case. There were other news stories before hers but she gave it nightly attention.

She was on for an hour each night....

But with a minimum of 4 hours per day of local news coverage per channel (12 hours not including WB and CW), Orlando was getting oversaturated before she entered the picture.

I don't recall when she picked it up. She could stop talking about it and crawl under a rock. It would not have altered local coverage in anyway.

 

[HLAuburn]

How does everyone think she will do with the depo coming up? Think she will take the 5th. Not show up? Of course taking the 5th is like an admission of guilt. I am sure she is very nervous.

I hope she's nervous! And I hope she's really uncomfortable during the whole thing. Of course, as a skilled liar, I'm sure she thinks she can outsmart everyone (afterall, she did get anyway with murder), so I hope Mr Morgan really gives it to her good.

As far as I understand, everything's fair game. I guess she could plead the 5th, but if she doesn't show, she'll be held in contempt and I'm sure they'll throw her butt back in jail.

 

[diznygirl]

How does everyone think she will do with the depo coming up? Think she will take the 5th. Not show up? Of course taking the 5th is like an admission of guilt. I am sure she is very nervous.

I know we've discussed this before, but don't remember if we ever actually decided definitively - can she take the 5th? I remember something about a long-winded explanation, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, etc....

Anywho - where were we?

She was convicted of lying to law enforcement. Zenaida was one of those lies. I'm hoping that helps. I guess we've learned that there no such thing as a sure thing.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

someone was saying friday i think that "custody = liability"

once she is released she's technically on her own but the state may have to protect her for a few months until the "hype" dies down.

But what I mean is does their responsibility stop when she goes out the door OR when she steps off the property? I do not think it goes further than the limits of the grounds of the prison but I am not sure.

 

[rie'smom]

She was on for an hour each night....

But with a minimum of 4 hours per day of local news coverage per channel (12 hours not including WB and CW), Orlando was getting oversaturated before she entered the picture.

I don't recall when she picked it up. She could stop talking about it and crawl under a rock. It would not have altered local coverage in anyway.

She gave it an hour each night nationally since at least Aug 18,2008. There were people outside the courthouse from all over the world. One woman flew in from Germany to hear the verdict. Threats may not be coming just from local people.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I know we've discussed this before, but don't remember if we ever actually decided definitively - can she take the 5th? I remember something about a long-winded explanation, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, etc....

Anywho - where were we?

She was convicted of lying to law enforcement. Zenaida was one of those lies. I'm hoping that helps. I guess we've learned that there no such thing as a sure thing.

She can, but that can be used as evidence of guilt (or whatever legal vernacular implies that) in a civil suit in Florida.

Basically--whatever she refuses to say, can be assumed it would implicate her as "guilty" (or similar civil lawsuit term).

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

Geraldo was telling Bill O'Reilly that the defense told them she needs peace , counselling and therapy. He thinks she will be going to a secluded haven, some kind of therapy center? Who knows.

I think the State's "official" responsibility ends when she is off the jail's property.

Sorry I did not see this when I posted. That is the answer to my question. It makes sense. If someone is injured on my personal property due to negligence then it is my fault. It must hold true for the state property too. But I just wonder.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

She gave it an hour each night nationally since at least Aug 18,2008. There were people outside the courthouse from all over the world. One woman flew in from Germany to hear the verdict. Threats may not be coming just from local people.

And my point was that central Floridians had hundreds of hours of exposure to the case, not including print...prior to Nancy Grace ever uttering a syllable. That is all I am saying. Numerous folks on the trial threads--first heard about it ON VACATION at Disney...where they were exposed to local Orlando meida.

NG is NOT at fault here.

CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and countless other outlets were covering the 6 weeks of this trial. The German woman did not come here because of Nancy.

Correlation does not equal causation here. Nancy Grace is just an easy Target because people don't like her. They need someone else to blame. Casey is going free--so Nancy is the scapegoat.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

But what I mean is does their responsibility stop when she goes out the door OR when she steps off the property? I do not think it goes further than the limits of the grounds of the prison but I am not sure.

I would presume that they may assist in getting her from Point A to Point B. Once she is at Point B...it is up to her attorneys and her to figure it out from there. Unless she is actively being pursued...like when the Anthony's had protestors...I don't think that taxpayers will be handing over a deputy to be her personal body guard.

And if it seems she needs it for a long while, at some point--she will be tasked with paying for it.

Life ain't fare, but she wasn't president and isn't entitled to Secret Service protection.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

How does everyone think she will do with the depo coming up? Think she will take the 5th. Not show up? Of course taking the 5th is like an admission of guilt. I am sure she is very nervous.

Jeesh she is a sociopath and as such she will do one of two things first she will try to charm them like she did with Tracey McLaughlin from Equisearch. She will be playing a part and I am sure she is feeling that hey I just outsmarted the state of Fla on a murder indictment this will be a walk in the park! Whether what is true or not makes not difference it is the reality in which she resides.

She will also try to use this somehow to her advantage.