Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[joviroxx]

I don't doubt that she is nice and likable. That does not make her innocent.

They say Ted Bundy was a nice guy too....

 

[mickeyboat]

According to NGrace, they can ask Casey all the tough questions that they want to in the civil trial! Does anyone know if they'll televise the civil trial? It will be interesting to watch that, for sure!!

A couple pages ago someone posted a link to some place that was carrying the deposition live.

 

[joviroxx]

Most of the pro-defense people in way way or another had some type of opinion that they outright stated or I inferred that they felt Perry to be pro-prosecution...

I just realized I had a typo. (scrolled down, glanced and looked and oops--I typed pro-defense.)

LOL! Ok, now THAT makes more sense and along with what I thought!

I just re-read the article. He sounds bitter to me...

 

[CurlyGirl]

They say Ted Bundy was a nice guy too....

And Charles Manson was allegedly very charismatic. So was Hitler ... just sayin'.

 

[kellyg403]

A couple pages ago someone posted a link to some place that was carrying the deposition live.

And maybe the first question they can ask is about Caylee and then impeach her later. She can maybe get 15 years for some lie on this depo..but I bet there will be sooooo many lies, well it will be a virtual field day for the right legal team.

IMHO, of course.

Kelly

 

[CurlyGirl]

A couple pages ago someone posted a link to some place that was carrying the deposition live.

You mean it's not on the first page!?!?!?

 

[mickeyboat]

And maybe the first question they can ask is about Caylee and then impeach her later. She can maybe get 15 years for some lie on this depo..but I bet there will be sooooo many lies, well it will be a virtual field day for the right legal team.

IMHO, of course.

Kelly

Can she take the 5th now that she is protected by double jeopardy?

 

[joviroxx]

Since Mare has me watching Nancy Grace , she is reporting that Juror #6 is getting mulitple $50,000+ offers but is holding out. She's a bit dramatic and loose with the facts at time, but if that's true, it makes me sad..

 

[kellyg403]

And Charles Manson was allegedly very charismatic. So was Hitler ... just sayin'.

There are people that STILL think Charles Manson is very charismatic. The problem is I find him weird as heck.. I can not even comprehend the mind set.

Kelly

 

[Brit17]

Just learned about this song written by Rascal Flatts for Caylee Marie on Nancy Grace ... Warning: it's a beautiful song but it will make you cry ...

http://www.theboot.com/2011/07/08/song-for-caylee-anthony-shes-going-places/

 

[joviroxx]

Can she take the 5th now that she is protected by double jeopardy?

From what Ive read, the answer is a resounding NO.

Wait: this article says she can.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...y-Anthony-subpoenaed-in-Zenaida-Gonzalez-case

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

And maybe the first question they can ask is about Caylee and then impeach her later. She can maybe get 15 years for some lie on this depo..but I bet there will be sooooo many lies, well it will be a virtual field day for the right legal team.

IMHO, of course.

Kelly

Does anyone know the minimums/maximums on restitution that ZG can seek for this.

This won't be a jury trial, right?

 

[Promomx2]

I tuned into late to someone talking today about Casey's hair and why she had let it grow long. Was it anything?

 

[kellyg403]

Can she take the 5th now that she is protected by double jeopardy?

I would bet that she could, it would probably be advised that she does. There will be a lot of pleading of the fifth in that depo. If she tells the truth and nothing but the truth, they won't even have to take that to court. What is she going say? "It wasn't me, I never mentioned Zanny to anyone blah blah."

Kelly

 

[rie'smom]

I read that Casey refused to see her Mother in Jail. Not surprise, this is the Casey we know, the selfish, evil, sociopath. She was so jealous of her mom love to Caylee that she killed her.

Read up on Cindy if you haven't yet. She's pretty appears to be a borderline personality. I lay both Caylee and Casey at her feet.

All those are arguments used to defend the verdict from the jurors mouths.

If you can find anywhere in the trial testimony where any of the statements above were argued or put into evidence I would agree. I don't think you'll be able to because they are not part of the testimony or evidence ....they misunderstood not only the guidelines but also the friggin' testimony.

I won't find it in the testimony because I heard a juror interviewed. The juror explained clearly what the charge the judge gave them was. This juror had a total understanding- it was textbook.

The only Kronk theory I have ever heard from the defense was in regards to him dragging the body around town for months on end. The way CM is talking now, neither George nor Casey put Caylee in the woods to begin with. So now we are assuming Kronk came to read the meter, STOLE THE BODY FROM THE ANTHONY HOUSE, and dumped it in the woods??

I don't know who CM is. I do know that the Kronk theory is that he did have the body.
I'm not assuming anything because I think Casey was responsible. My post - if it's the one I'm thinking of- was answering how the defense muddied the water.

It is all a blur....

but there seems to be some opinion that Judge Perry was biased towards the defense. Perhaps that writer shares some or all of that same thought. Or he just felt the courtroom was not as structured as it should have been. I read that as a jab at his command of the chaos.

All the time I watched the trial, I thought Judge Perry was quite unbiased. He was fair too both sides. Sometimes, the defense strayed too far and sometimes the prosecution strayed but on the whole, he held both sides accountable.

What puzzles me with that statement--is that Casey is over the age of 18 and in full command of her decisions. SHE is the one who got Baez's name...SHE asked for him. Her father questioned it--but ultimately SHE makes that decision. Not sure why his passive agressive jab was necessary if he is sharing his subtle disgust over Baez's conduct.

She got his name from an inmate. He was only practicing for 3 years and had 4 successful verdicts under his belt.

 

[kidshop]

Welp, pretty much. I gues the DT and the Grief expert pretty much put that out there as exactly what 'allegedly' happened, since they didn't have to prove it.

But, as I read somewhere, saw posted somewhere, we can't just trust the legal system when it comes back with a verdict we all agree on, we have to trust it all the time. This time, that trust is a little harder to come by.

Kelly

When the jury admits they did not understand what reasonable doubt is, and that they didn't know the lesser charges they had for options and we learn this via their paid interviews the day after the trial ends (after 11 hours of deliberation), maybe just maybe it is time to shine a light into the process. Trust is not blind, it is earned. IMO, this jury did not earn it.

 

[kellyg403]

I tuned into late to someone talking today about Casey's hair and why she had let it grow long. Was it anything?

I actually heard that they don't allow scissors and sharp objects in the jail, and she did not want a 'jail house' hair cut. Hence she has not cut her hair. Don't know if that is a valid statement, or something I was told.


Kelly

 

[diznygirl]

BTW...for anyone who didn't watch InSession today and the interview with Marble Mouth...his next case is defending a mother who is on trial for...murdering her child! How much you wanna bet she comes from a dysfunctional family! (Because only people who grew up in warm loving Father Knows Best and Donna Reed type families should be held responsible for murdering their children). Just had a thought...Casey could work for the defense team coming up with stories for opening statements! Because, as we all know, you can say anything in an opening statement, show no proof of it, tell the jury not to consider it...but they will anyway...and voila! Not guilty. Kind of like how J Peterman used Kramer's adventures for his book on Seinfeld.

I've been thinking about this, and I think Opening and Closing statements shouldn't be allowed.

If they aren't considered evidence, then what's the point? To ring the bell that can't be unrung? That's not a fair trial.

A court clerk or the judge could read the charges and introduce the defendant. What more is needed? And then the trial begins. When the trial ends, jury instructions and that's it.

No more grandstanding by either side.

 

[LisaR]

Since Mare has me watching Nancy Grace , she is reporting that Juror #6 is getting mulitple $50,000+ offers but is holding out. She's a bit dramatic and loose with the facts at time, but if that's true, it makes me sad..

I am so glad we are going to end up with a Caylee's Law after this tragic situation. Now we need a law so jurors can't profit immediately after the trial ends. How ridiculous. That juror isn't helping the disgust I feel for all twelve of them.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Can she take the 5th now that she is protected by double jeopardy?

Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for the Criminal Courts if I am not mistaken. So is the "beyond reasonable doubt" constraint.


Double jeopardy is not in play...

She has already admitted she lied to law enforcement about the nanny--

It is just up to ZG to prove with the evidence that she was the inspiration for the nanny's name.

Casey--the PROVEN liar....will say that ZG wasn't the person she spoke of and said that a long time ago.

However, she NEVER provided a description of the nanny, only a name--a name that did not come up until AFTER she visited Sawgrass apartments where THIS ZG also visited a short time before.

Now--what I don't know is--Casey could not see an apartment that day as she had no id. I wonder if Tony did see the apartment and Casey stayed behind in the office giving her access to wear they might keep information cards, perhaps.

Anyway--as far as the 5th...It would be off limits and irrelevant to inquire about what was not proven in Casey's criminal case...that she killed Caley. HOWEVER--her attorney disclosed in that case that she knew Caley was dead on the 16th...and it will go from there.

Casey cannot lie her way out of it--her attorney made that opening statement. She can't plead the 5th on that. She will have to acknowledge with her own lips what Baez said on her behalf and she cannot stay mute about it.

Just means we will get to hear SOMETHING for free...but I'm sure she will save all the exciting explicit details for a book.