Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

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I'm having a hard time taking all this in. I feel like I've been consumed by it for weeks, and now this outcome is really upsetting to me. I keep going over and over all the possible things that could have happened, I guess looking for some sort of closure on the whole situation. Does anyone else feel really worn out over the all this?

Are we supposed to believe that "best case scenario" (what the defense wants us to believe) is that little Caylee fell into a pool and drowned on the 16th, her grandfather covered it up and threw the baby in a swamp, and that night (and for 30 more after that), her mom went out and rented movies, partied, got a tattoo and lived it up? :sad2: And that's because she was molested by her father, so she has no coping skills? Even someone who was "forced" into silence would grieve for their chid, wouldn't they? Was this some sort of bizarre, counter-reaction because of the supposed abuse?

What Casey did just goes so much against everything you feel as a mother,it's hard for me to wrap my head around ANY scenario that results in a dead child and a mom whi STILL acts like nothing happened.

I know how you are feeling ... I posted this article written by Marcia Clark earlier today (sorry about re-posting it if you have already read it :) )... but after reading it myself, I have to say, it made me feel a little better for some reason ... I guess maybe it was because Marcia Clark sums up everything and puts into prospective what I was thinking and feeling about things, yet couldn't quite put into words as she does ... I hope maybe the article can help you a little too ... :)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...red-jury-fell-prey-to-idiotic-groupthink.html
 
An opinion piece written by another defense attorney...

http://www.ctlawtribune.com/getarticle.aspx?ID=41034

I'm getting an air of...this guy struggles a bit with being on Team Baez just because they defend on the same side of the law.

Interesting piece though.

It was interesting. Particularly this part:

"It would not surprise me to learn that federal prosecutors in Florida are burning the midnight oil trying to dream up some basis for federal jurisdiction to make another run at Anthony, in a trial before a judge with a firmer command of the courtroom than the hapless jurist, Belvin Perry, who presided, more or less, over the Anthony case. (Does it surprise you to learn that Perry is considering making a run now at reality TV?) Most prosecutors have the soul of a ward heeler: there are votes of a sort to be had trying to get Casey into court again. Good luck."

I would love to see how another prosecutor and jury would fare. I also wonder what his beef is with Judge Perry.
 
I know how you are feeling ... I posted this article written by Marcia Clark earlier today (sorry about re-posting it if you have already read it :) )... but after reading it myself, I have to say, it made me feel a little better for some reason ... I guess maybe it was because Marcia Clark sums up everything and puts into prospective what I was thinking and feeling about things, yet couldn't quite put into words as she does ... I hope maybe the article can help you a little too ... :)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...red-jury-fell-prey-to-idiotic-groupthink.html
As I was reading that earlier, Casey Jordan came on InSession and said very much the same thing, and I respect her more than any other commentator/expert. That article and what Dr Jordan said were spot on.

I think at this point, we all need to come to terms with the verdict (and I am well on my way...finding out I'll be grandma to a little girl in a few months helped :)) and consider what MAY come out of all of this...better laws about reporting a missing child (several of Casey's old friends...Tony/roommates...are involved in that now), people becoming more involved volunteering on the behalf of children, and a good hard look at the jury process.
 

From NG's FB (don't judge me! :lmao:)

Nancy Grace Exclusive tonight: Joining Nancy Grace this evening is a Psychologist who examined Casey Anthony at the request of her defense team. Dr. William Weitz weighs in on the recent Tot Mom not guilty verdict. Watch Nancy Grace tonight at 8PM ET on HLN

What can he possibly say without breaking patient confidentiality? I'm not watching. (Yeah, right. ;) Maybe not tonight tho...I'm weaning myself from this trial!)

She can't say anything except that she examined CA and that all was fine and dandy. She might say that she gave CA this test, that test and the other test and they all came back rational. Then, NGrace will ask her "well, do normal people do this, that, other thing" and the psych. is going to say that she only examined CA to see if she was fit to testify. NGrace will push her and she will quote a bunch of other cases and examples she's dealt with as she cannot comment on CA directly. It will be like getting blood from a stone, I'm sure.
 
An opinion piece written by another defense attorney...

http://www.ctlawtribune.com/getarticle.aspx?ID=41034

I'm getting an air of...this guy struggles a bit with being on Team Baez just because they defend on the same side of the law.

Interesting piece though.
I get a feeling he sees this win as a joke and makes the legal profession lose credibility. Maybe Im wrong, but I felt a subtle disgust at it all.

I did noticed this though:
The oddest thing about the trial? Casey’s father, George, is a former homicide detective. His daughter faces the death penalty, and hires a newbie to defend her. Her father had to know she was taking a huge risk. Is this the best her father could conceive for a lawyer? Or did he have his own reasons to hope for a conviction? That’s another question without answers.]

Does he not know George had nothing to do with it? That her parents' hands were tied because this is who Casey wanted?
 
It was interesting. Particularly this part:

"It would not surprise me to learn that federal prosecutors in Florida are burning the midnight oil trying to dream up some basis for federal jurisdiction to make another run at Anthony, in a trial before a judge with a firmer command of the courtroom than the hapless jurist, Belvin Perry, who presided, more or less, over the Anthony case. (Does it surprise you to learn that Perry is considering making a run now at reality TV?) Most prosecutors have the soul of a ward heeler: there are votes of a sort to be had trying to get Casey into court again. Good luck."

I would love to see how another prosecutor and jury would fare. I also wonder what his beef is with Judge Perry.

Interesting, it appeared that Judge Perry was doing everything he could to back up decisions with case law. Even commenting a time or time something about he would be graded on it, not the attorneys. He was really looking ahead to appeals and what that would be mean for the verdict.

But, reality tv? You have got to be kidding me? Nice guy but definitely not the Judge Waupner type!

Kelly
 
Another article....has the offending Mason photo, so I won't post the link--but here is the text:

From Orlando Sentinal posted by halboedeker on july 8
Defense attorney Cheney Mason told everyone how he felt about the Casey Anthony coverage.

Then he gestured to show his disapproval. I think the gesture will probably last longer than his lecture about the media. Mason later told TMZ.com the middle-finger salute was for “a guy from a radio station who has been stalking my team for months.”

What was behind Mason’s anger after Anthony’s acquittal? I gained insights from Geraldo Rivera of Fox News Channel. Rivera, a friend of defense attorney Jose Baez, complained about how Baez had been treated by local attorneys on television.

There’s a big difference between Casey and Jose,” Rivera said. “There was negative press directed at Jose by the local Bar. They were relentless in the attacks on him, people like Mark NeJame. They went after Jose in a way that was vicious. Jose has proved himself. He could have folded a million times. He stood his ground. He was David against Goliath. The Constitution protects unpopular people. The fact is he got paid chump change, sacrificing three years of his life. He is owed a huge apology from the local Bar and NeJame and other people.”

NeJame’s response? “Geraldo has done as much research on me as he did on Al Capone’s vault.”

NeJame, a legal analyst for WKMG-Channel 6, said he gave Baez great compliments for tenacity.

As for Mason’s criticisms, NeJame said: “What we did were never personal attacks. I was being critical of matters such as those brought out in the opening statement. I think to engage in that type of assassination of others without presenting any proof at trial bothers me. Obviously, Judge [Belvin] Perry, through his repeated rulings contrary to the defense, concurred.”

WESH-Channel 2 legal analyst Richard Hornsby was definite about Baez. “He is not owed an apology,” Hornsby said. “The verdict doesn’t excuse sloppy pretrial legal work.”

Anthony was acquitted Tuesday of first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

Baez “deserves every accolade, and he grew as an attorney,” Hornsby said. “The verdict he obtained is a greater achievement than the O.J. Simpson verdict. People liked O.J. No one likes Casey.”

Hornsby adds: “I praised him [Baez] when he did things right. He complains about the media, but he’s the one that’s fired the media fire, that appetite for information. He’s the guy that cried wolf.”

After Anthony’s acquittal, defense attorney Mason railed against “media assassination” and “incompetent talking heads saying what would be and how to be.”

As CNN’s Anderson Cooper noted last night, Mason used to be one of those talking heads. I looked back at my blog posts in which Mason sounded off before joining the Anthony defense team. On television, Mason talked about the trial’s start, its cost and the possible ways the defense could raise reasonable doubt.

CNN replayed a WKMG clip in which Mason, as a talking head, said: “It could have been an accidental death … and an improper disposal. It could have been an outright brutal homicide. We don’t know. They have no credibility whatsoever.”

And Mason predicted: “You can pretty well predict that there’s going to be a life sentence.”


After the verdict, Mason complained about the TV coverage: “I’m disgusted by some of the lawyers that have done this. And I can tell you that my colleagues from coast to coast and border to border have condemned this whole process of lawyers getting on television and talking about cases that they don’t know a damn thing about it and don’t have the experience to back up their words or the law to do it.”

NeJame says he spent hundreds of hours familiarizing himself with the case. And he sees hypocrisy in Mason’s criticism. “They’re not critical of the talking heads that were critical of the state, and there were many,” NeJame said. “You’ve got to be fair. You can’t pick and choose the times you want the Constitution to be appropriate to you.”

WFTV-Channel 9 legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said that Mason’s criticism had some validity because they were lawyers from outside Central Florida who were commenting about a case they didn’t understand. But Sheaffer said that he, Hornbsy and NeJame had worked long hours in studying the case.

“I knew this case about as well as anybody who wasn’t representing someone in this case,” Sheaffer said. “I believe the community was served by the analysis.”

Sheaffer was often critical of Baez’s inexperience but also praised him before Anthony was acquitted. “I said there was no quit in this guy,” Sheaffer said. “He stayed and fought for his client.”

Sheaffer stressed that with experience Baez would improve as a criminal defense attorney. “There’s inexperience and inexperience shows, and it’s a shame that it had to play out on a national stage, and I hope it doesn’t affect him,” Sheaffer said.

NeJame said he was “surprised and disheartened” by the Anthony verdict, but that he wholly supported the jury’s decision.

“We’re in a free society, she had a fair trial, she was acquitted, and people were free to talk about it,” NeJame said. “It’s the essence of the Constitution and a free society. Rather than complaining, the defense team should be pleased.”
 
It was interesting. Particularly this part:

"It would not surprise me to learn that federal prosecutors in Florida are burning the midnight oil trying to dream up some basis for federal jurisdiction to make another run at Anthony, in a trial before a judge with a firmer command of the courtroom than the hapless jurist, Belvin Perry, who presided, more or less, over the Anthony case. (Does it surprise you to learn that Perry is considering making a run now at reality TV?) Most prosecutors have the soul of a ward heeler: there are votes of a sort to be had trying to get Casey into court again. Good luck."

I would love to see how another prosecutor and jury would fare. I also wonder what his beef is with Judge Perry.

It is all a blur....

but there seems to be some opinion that Judge Perry was biased AGAINST the defense. Perhaps that writer shares some or all of that same thought. Or he just felt the courtroom was not as structured as it should have been. I read that as a jab at his command of the chaos.:confused3
 
MattMorganESQ Matt Morgan
#CaseyAnthony depo will air live on forthepeople.com. July 19, 2011. Mark your calendars.

via twitter

This will be a deposition under oath for the civil case, right? And she can't plead the 5th or anything, right? That should be very interesting. Is Baez representing her?
 
I get a feeling he sees this win as a joke and makes the legal profession lose credibility. Maybe Im wrong, but I felt a subtle disgust at it all.

I did noticed this though:


Does he not know George had nothing to do with it? That her parents' hands were tied because this is who Casey wanted?

What puzzles me with that statement--is that Casey is over the age of 18 and in full command of her decisions. SHE is the one who got Baez's name...SHE asked for him. Her father questioned it--but ultimately SHE makes that decision. Not sure why his passive agressive jab was necessary if he is sharing his subtle disgust over Baez's conduct.:confused3
 
CM was talking about how nice and likable KC is! He said she even cleaned up trash and stuff and it wasn't even her job!

Are you freakin" kidding me?!?

Supposen when she takes him up on his offer to stay as the house that he will put her in charge of paying his bills and looking after the grand kids?

Does he not know sociopaths are some of the most likable and affable people when you meet them??
 
As I was reading that earlier, Casey Jordan came on InSession and said very much the same thing, and I respect her more than any other commentator/expert. That article and what Dr Jordan said were spot on.

I think at this point, we all need to come to terms with the verdict (and I am well on my way...finding out I'll be grandma to a little girl in a few months helped :)) and consider what MAY come out of all of this...better laws about reporting a missing child (several of Casey's old friends...Tony/roommates...are involved in that now), people becoming more involved volunteering on the behalf of children, and a good hard look at the jury process.

:thumbsup2 ... I really hope and prayer some major changes for the good will result from this and little Caylee can finally Rest In Peace :angel:...

CONGRATULATIONS on your new Grandbaby!! :goodvibes ... :)
 
It is all a blur....

but there seems to be some opinion that Judge Perry was biased towards the defense. Perhaps that writer shares some or all of that same thought. Or he just felt the courtroom was not as structured as it should have been. I read that as a jab at his command of the chaos.:confused3

I hadn't read that anywhere. Interesting. I figured he was trying to make sure to protect against a mistrial. Is there something my non-legal mind doesn't know or didn't pick up?
 
CM was talking about how nice and likable KC is! He said she even cleaned up trash and stuff and it wasn't even her job!

Are you freakin" kidding me?!?

Supposen when she takes him up on his offer to stay as the house that he will put her in charge of paying his bills and looking after the grand kids?

I don't doubt that she is nice and likable. That does not make her innocent.
 
According to NGrace, they can ask Casey all the tough questions that they want to in the civil trial! Does anyone know if they'll televise the civil trial? It will be interesting to watch that, for sure!!
 
I hadn't read that anywhere. Interesting. I figured he was trying to make sure to protect against a mistrial. Is there something my non-legal mind doesn't know or didn't pick up?

Most of the pro-defense people in way way or another had some type of opinion that they outright stated or I inferred that they felt Perry to be pro-prosecution...

I just realized I had a typo.:laughing: (scrolled down, glanced and looked and oops--I typed pro-defense.:eek:)
 
I hadn't read that anywhere. Interesting. I figured he was trying to make sure to protect against a mistrial. Is there something my non-legal mind doesn't know or didn't pick up?

That, and to leave as few grounds for appeal as possible. Appeals can only be based on issues of law such as allowing in certain evidence or the jury instructions.
 
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