Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[rigs32]

But that would mean using common sense and apparently they were supposed to leave that at the door....

Yes, jurors should use common sense to evaluate the evidence BUT it still has to rise to the level of reasonable doubt. Common sense tells me that Casey was involved with her daughter's death, but I can see how the jurors could have a reasonable doubt about it.

A PP mention mentioned the preponderance of the evidence. That's the standard in a civil trial, not a criminal one. Beyond a reasonable doubt sounds even worse in the FL wording - beyond any and all reasonable doubts sounds so close to beyond all doubt as to be indistinguishable.

 

[hereyago]

Oh, that was so special. *insert puking smilie here*

I wish there was a projectile puking smiley for that one. Honestly, I wish I had my styrofoam "brick" from back in the day just to hit the tv when he was on today.

 

[brunette8706]

CASEY ANTHONY'S TRANSCRIPT of her Diary - A MUST READ!!!


The following is a transcript of Casey Anthony's diary entry. It was released with other evidence by the state attorney's office on Feb. 18. The entry is dated June 21, but it is unknown when it was written. It also includes "03" in a facing page, which the defense says means it was written before Caylee Anthony was born.


I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want for everything to work out okay.

I completely trust my own judgement & know that I made the right decision. I just hope that the end justifies the means.

I just want to know what the future will hold for me. I guess I will soon see -- This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time.

I hope that my happiness will continue to grow -- I've made new friends that I really like. I've surrounded myself with good people -- I am finally happy. Let's just hope that it doesn't change.
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/18740616/detail.html#ixzz1RIGyXEta

 

[Seahunt]

The "mistress" was trash and I don't trust her either.

I can't forget that her sister (Cecelia/Skye) was in jail with Casey and per her deposition she talked to Casey and passed notes for Casey to other inmates. I think the sisters planned to insert themselves into the case for $$$ reasons

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/cbenhaida021810.pdf

I was hoping for something along those lines to be presented in this case. Unfortunately, they just didnt have it.

Just think if Cindy and George hadn't cleaned the car and washed everything in it, etc.

The diary entry most likely was from 2003, not 2008.

Well in this crazy case at least we do know for sure that the diary entry couldn't have been from 2003 because the manufacturer didn't even produce that journal model until 2004. Per the FBI report:

The K42 photojournal was manufactured by Penman Paper. According to information obtained from a representative of Penman Paper, the Penman Paper photojournals were a one-time specialty item distributed to Dollar General Stores in 2004.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/01/28/caylee-anthony-case-the-diary-was-not-written-in-2003/

 

[hereyago]

What is shocking , wasn't 7 women on the jury? none of them are moms? cause I would be outraged without even being a mom, but I have a dd and I would be calling 911 if it was an accident. i'd be beside myself and not grinding dancing or living the life of a single non parent. If someone took my dd,i wouldn't stop looking for her, if someone hurt my dd-they would need to call the cops to protect them from me.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

That was a horrible, horrible case. They also had her little handprints against the wall over the bed in the RV. And he had very horribly graphic things on his computer not of her but of little girls, I will never forget hearing the audio on court tv. That was a sad case.

It does sound like a horrible case. But the post I responded to (and I'm not spending the time to look for it) said something to there being DNA in the RV AND NOT MUCH ELSE.

 

[IDoDis]

Alternate juror Russel Heukler agrees with the jury verdict:

"I agree with their verdict wholeheartedly," said alternate juror Russell Huekler, who sat through the trial but did not participate in the jury's deliberations.

"The prosecution did not prove their case," he told HLN. "The big question that was not answered: How did Caylee die?"

Huekler said it appeared the Anthony family didn't know how to deal with a "horrific accident." He believed that Casey's father, George, was "hiding something."

The jury deliberated for 10 hours, 40 minutes and 33 seconds before finding Anthony not guilty of first-degree murder in the 2008 death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/05/florida.casey.anthony.jurors/

Here's his facebook page. No info, just a photo of him and one with his famly (if you scroll down on his wall):

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1424657898&sk=info

I wonder if he'd feel differently if it had been his daughter that was murdered and dumped in a ditch.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Actually, Lisa wrote the dialogue, which was funny. I didn't know how it came about. Sorry!

My theory: pg. 203 post #3035:
http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=41490306&postcount=3035

Lisa's dialog to my theory: pg. 207 post #3100:
http://161.58.189.97/showpost.php?p=41491960&postcount=3100\

We're a team! I rest my case ...

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Casey Jordan, my favorite lawyer/commentator posted this on her FB:

Dr. Casey Jordan
A wonderful friend of mine that I went to law school with, Attorney Michael Sorenson, lost his beautiful son Connor a few days ago in a tragic drowning incident during a river float trip in Vermont. The Sorensons' grief is unfathomable; they are bereft. Take from this what you will, but I cannot envision a parent losing a child in... an accident and not exhibiting some sort of grief. If you are a person of faith, say a prayer for the Sorenson family as they prepare for Connor's funeral tomorrow. Surely, there are no words, but there is a message...

(From the Hartford Courant):

SORENSEN, Connor M.

Connor Michael Sorensen, 10 years old, of West Hartford, passed suddenly and tragically into eternal life on June 30, 2011. Connor was a wonderful, innocent boy who loved his family, friends, coaches and teachers. His infectious spirit and love of life touched everyone who knew him. Connor lived every moment to the fullest and left an indelible impression on all who knew him. His younger sisters describe him as "the best big brother ever." He was a wonderful son, brother, grandson, nephew and cousin. As a student, a friend, a baseball player, a teammate, and a child of God, Connor gave his parents more joy, love and pride than they could ever have imagined. He made them the parents they always wanted to be. His compassionate and loving soul will be forever cherished by his family and friends.


OK, that's it...that did me in.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Put yourself in the jurys shoes. Seriously.....you are chosing to send this person away for life and you find yourself saying "well it looks like she did it"
"It seems like she did it". You need to be sure....the prosecution did not seal the deal and she walked. Its not about a video or anything like that.....the state knew they had a weak case and they still went for murder 1.

As a former juror of a DUI case, I can answer this. I was looking for reasonable alternates - not just possible. On my case, there were things presented by the defense but they just did not make sense. I guess we could have tried to make it fit or just said "ooh - it is possible something else happened" but that was not what our instructions were. In fact, we were specifically told that we were allowed to make reasonable inferences.

My brother was a foreman on a murder trial. He is STUNNED that this came back as completely not guilty of anything. There were lesser charges available such as child neglect. His point is that Casey Anthony was this child's caregiver and in Casey's care the child died - how much more neglectful can you get?

Now - I will concede that the murder one charge was weak if you were only looking at it from a premeditated point of view. But here in Florida, felony murder is included as well. Meaning that if you commit aggravated child abuse that causes death - you are guilty of murder 1. Aggravated child abuse being the act of deliberately and willfully abusing a child that causes bodily harm, permanent disability or disfigurement. I would say duck taping a child's mouth would fall under this but that is just me.

So, if you see no proof to convict of either of those why not 2nd degree murder? They were able to select other lesser charges all the way down to manslaughter. The Florida definition for 2nd degree (my vote) is when someone is killed without any premeditation by an act that is dangerous to another and showing no regard for human life. Wouldn't you say there was enough evidence for this?

I am really curious what evidence the prosecution would have needed to convict this person. I mean specifically.

BTW - not just asking you but any that feel that there was no case.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Alternate juror Russel Heukler agrees with the jury verdict:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/05/florida.casey.anthony.jurors/

Here's his facebook page. No info, just a photo of him and one with his famly (if you scroll down on his wall):

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1424657898&sk=info

I wonder if he'd feel differently if it had been his daughter that was murdered and dumped in a ditch.

THAT'S the teacher they talked about, who was so eager to be on the jury (as were several others)? Ugh. He sounded, well...stupid, on the phone.

 

[Swalphin]

It does sound like a horrible case. But the post I responded to (and I'm not spending the time to look for it) said something to there being DNA in the RV AND NOT MUCH ELSE.

I just saw the case mentioned, it still haunts me to this day, do not google it, it will make you sad.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Casey Jordan, my favorite lawyer/commentator posted this on her FB:

Dr. Casey Jordan
A wonderful friend of mine that I went to law school with, Attorney Michael Sorenson, lost his beautiful son Connor a few days ago in a tragic drowning incident during a river float trip in Vermont. The Sorensons' grief is unfathomable; they are bereft. Take from this what you will, but I cannot envision a parent losing a child in... an accident and not exhibiting some sort of grief. If you are a person of faith, say a prayer for the Sorenson family as they prepare for Connor's funeral tomorrow. Surely, there are no words, but there is a message...

(From the Hartford Courant):

SORENSEN, Connor M.

Connor Michael Sorensen, 10 years old, of West Hartford, passed suddenly and tragically into eternal life on June 30, 2011. Connor was a wonderful, innocent boy who loved his family, friends, coaches and teachers. His infectious spirit and love of life touched everyone who knew him. Connor lived every moment to the fullest and left an indelible impression on all who knew him. His younger sisters describe him as "the best big brother ever." He was a wonderful son, brother, grandson, nephew and cousin. As a student, a friend, a baseball player, a teammate, and a child of God, Connor gave his parents more joy, love and pride than they could ever have imagined. He made them the parents they always wanted to be. His compassionate and loving soul will be forever cherished by his family and friends.


OK, that's it...that did me in.

How sad. Prayers sent for this family and child. Their loss is tragic. RIP Connor.

Now let's take a sidebar here ....

But ... wait ... you mean they reported the drowning? They didn't ditch the body, make up a story about a nanny kidnapping the child? Isn't that what you're supposed to do when there's an accidental drowning?

Honestly ... the above is how you handle an accidental death. You don't cover it up ... just sayin' ...

 

[Swalphin]

Everyone set your alarm clocks, looks like all the morning shows will be in Orlando.

 

[hellokitty86]

OK, that's it...that did me in.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

Found this interesting...Anyone know if it's true?


Sheila
LEVI PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS>>>>Double Jeopardy does not apply if they file federal charges against her for violating the civil rights of her child. She can receive a life sentence if convicted. Anyone who waits a month to report their child missing has violated their civil rights!! Everyone needs to contact the feds, state atty and atty general in FL and get them to prosecute the crap out of her that way!!!! GET ON IT PEOPLE!!

https://www.facebook.com/levi.page?sk=wall

 

[Aisling]

Aggravated child abuse being the act of deliberately and willfully abusing a child that causes bodily harm, permanent disability or disfigurement. I would say duck taping a child's mouth would fall under this but that is just me.

That's the problem jury-wise. There's nothing to show that Casey duct taped the child's mouth.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Found this interesting...Anyone know if it's true?

Sheila
LEVI PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS>>>>Double Jeopardy does not apply if they file federal charges against her for violating the civil rights of her child. She can receive a life sentence if convicted. Anyone who waits a month to report their child missing has violated their civil rights!! Everyone needs to contact the feds, state atty and atty general in FL and get them to prosecute the crap out of her that way!!!! GET ON IT PEOPLE!!

https://www.facebook.com/levi.page?sk=wall

I kind of doubt it, but it would be great, wouldn't it.

 

[Aisling]

Found this interesting...Anyone know if it's true?


Sheila
LEVI PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS>>>>Double Jeopardy does not apply if they file federal charges against her for violating the civil rights of her child. She can receive a life sentence if convicted. Anyone who waits a month to report their child missing has violated their civil rights!! Everyone needs to contact the feds, state atty and atty general in FL and get them to prosecute the crap out of her that way!!!! GET ON IT PEOPLE!!

https://www.facebook.com/levi.page?sk=wall

I don't think this is a real law. Checking now.

 

[caribear]

Now - I will concede that the murder one charge was weak if you were only looking at it from a premeditated point of view. But here in Florida, felony murder is included as well. Meaning that if you commit aggravated child abuse that causes death - you are guilty of murder 1. Aggravated child abuse being the act of deliberately and willfully abusing a child that causes bodily harm, permanent disability or disfigurement. I would say duck taping a child's mouth would fall under this but that is just me.

I am really curious what evidence the prosecution would have needed to convict this person. I mean specifically.

BTW - not just asking you but any that feel that there was no case.

To me your post is right on target. I believe that Casey should have been guilty of aggravated child abuse thus charged with murder 1. Casey is a selfish young lady who did not like all of the attention her young daughter was receiving....she wanted everyone to focus on her not her child. She wanted to go out and party like many young people do. Problem was she had a 2 year old child.....so she tried to figure out a way to subdue her child in order to go out and party. She found that in the form of the chloroform and duck tape. Things did not go as Casey planned and Caylee died. She might not have planned to kill her, but her actions (which constitute aggravated child abuse) did cause her death. I can only hope that the rest of Casey's life will be a living nightmare for her with many of the public condemning her, her friends and family no longer standing by her side....and no one ever believing a word she says.