Carded at Target

[~disneydiva~]

Big Brotherish?? Seriously?? You think people are watching you?

 

[npmommie]

Big Brotherish?? Seriously?? You think people are watching you?

of course they are tracking. why else would they need to scan it in
the same reason they take id if you buy some of the otc cold preparations. they track.

if they aren't tracking why can't they just look at the license and verify the birthdate without entering all the information into the system.
there could even be a system where the manager has to double check the ID with the cashier.

its simple common sense.
and yes big brother is watching..........

 

[FireDancer]

and yes big brother is watching..........

Just remember that if asked 2 + 2 = 5

 

[npmommie]

Just remember that if asked 2 + 2 = 5

 

[robinb]

of course they are tracking. why else would they need to scan it in
the same reason they take id if you buy some of the otc cold preparations. they track.

if they aren't tracking why can't they just look at the license and verify the birthdate without entering all the information into the system.
there could even be a system where the manager has to double check the ID with the cashier.

its simple common sense.
and yes big brother is watching..........

Just remember ... You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you!

 

[Becky2005]

I love how these threads take on a life of their own! It sounds like we are headed for a police state - you MUST carry ID at all times! Actually, we are getting a taste of that in Pittsburgh this week, with the G20 coming.

Unfortuantely, when things like this happen, DH just says "papers please" -- he's not too far off the mark.

I'm not talking about alcohol either but sometimes just trying to buy something simple as a pack of post-it notes or a can of pop (or soda ), stores will all of a sudden want some sort of information.

Although I do agree with the ID all the time ONLY because the movies we saw from the coroner's office in 8th grade with real life photos on roads/places we knew and she DRILLED it into our heads to "always carry ID" and used examples why.

Of course, now I'm off to pick up my kids from school & hope my cell phone counts as ID since it has a spot for ICE numbers and is filled out. It's a pain to take my DL out of my wallet, etc... and I'm not driving down there.

 

[JEmaryland]

My issue with this is 2 fold. First, it assumes that people are buying the product is using it for something illegal. Second, like a previous poster said, it is not the store's responsibility to keep people from buying products and using them for unintended purposes. I don't want to be inconvenienced because someone wants to use glue or paint to get high.

If anyone wants to get high on canned air and drive around the consequences of their actions belong to them, not to me. I can also use a knitting needle to stab someone in the throat, but since that isn't the intended use of the product I am not carded to buy it. If I do use a knitting needle to kill someone no one is going to blame WalMart for selling it to me, they will blame me for making the decision to kill someone with it instead of knitting a handy lil scarf. The misuse of glue or paint is the exact same thing to me. If someone does something dumb and they don't like the consequences, they need to look in the mirror for blame. I should neither have to nor want to be inconvenience because someone else might make a dumb choice.

People are carded for products like alcohol and cigarettes because the intended use of the product is that they are being protected from, not some unintended use. I hate the safety police mentality. Put the information out there, like huffing paint can kill you, but leave it up to the individual to make their own choice. Those choosing poorly will have to deal with the consequences whether they be death, brain damage, or jail.

Yes, you said what I was trying to say much better than I did. I AM being punished when I have to have my license number recorded every time I buy Sudafed, because some idiots use it to make meth. I AM being punished by having to jump through hoops to be granted permission from the state to carry a weapon because some idiots use them the wrong way. And responsible teens are being punished by these new "curfew" laws because some idiot teens make poor choices. I could go on and on.

 

[ozarkmom]

I can't believe that some places card the person standing with you while your shopping. If I'm 20 and with my over 21 year old husband he can't buy beer or wine if I'm standing there??? If I'm 16 and shopping with my dad or older sibling etc. too bad so sad go outside and wait while I purchase this. I thought some of our liquor laws in Arkansas were stupid (well I still do) but this takes the cake.

 

[olena]

I sell beer at a nearby arena during concerts and sporting events and we are not allowed to make any judgment calls....period. We are told to card every person, every time...no exceptions. If it were my 87 year old Granny buying a beer, I'd have to card her. They even send undercover officers in to test us to make sure we are adhering to county and arena policy. We don't make the rules, but we bear the brunt of the abuse and outrage when it does come up. People are getting more and more used to it, since mandatory carding is getting more and more widespread.

This situation sounds like Target policy and I suppose Nicorette contains nicotine, hence the controlled substance policy.

 

[JEmaryland]

I can't believe that some places card the person standing with you while your shopping. If I'm 20 and with my over 21 year old husband he can't buy beer or wine if I'm standing there??? If I'm 16 and shopping with my dad or older sibling etc. too bad so sad go outside and wait while I purchase this. I thought some of our liquor laws in Arkansas were stupid (well I still do) but this takes the cake.

I have never experienced this type of thing, but a few times when I was underage and with my dad at a liquor store I was not allowed to help him physically carry the items out.

 

[starrzone]

And responsible teens are being punished by these new "curfew" laws because some idiot teens make poor choices. I could go on and on.

Oh, I agree totally with this! I'm in Canada, and my province recently passed a law that basically boils down to this: new drivers (until they've had their license for 2 years) can't drive between midnight and 5:00am at all "except for education or work purposes, or if they are accompanied by a driver who has a [certain class of license] or better, and who has at least three years of driving experience". Basically, this means that it is illegal for my straight-A, grad class president, sports-playing 17-year old brother to drive an inebriated friend home from a party at 2:00am. Someone always ruins things for the good people...

 

[sbell111]

Yes, you said what I was trying to say much better than I did. I AM being punished when I have to have my license number recorded every time I buy Sudafed, because some idiots use it to make meth.

The mere act of handing someone your ID for two seconds is a punishment? Really?

I don't see it that way. At worst, it's a very minor inconvenience. In fact, after the first time, it's not an inconvenience, at all.

The local theater started accepting credit/debit cards in the last year or so. The first time that I paid for my popcorn with the credit card, I was a little surprised that I had to also present my drivers license. It was a small inconvenience to extract the card from my wallet and hand it to the teen with the mad coke skills, but I survived. After that first time, I merely hand both cards over at the same time and it's no longer an inconvenience.

 

[kwelch10377]

My issue with this is 2 fold. First, it assumes that people are buying the product is using it for something illegal. Second, like a previous poster said, it is not the store's responsibility to keep people from buying products and using them for unintended purposes. I don't want to be inconvenienced because someone wants to use glue or paint to get high.

If anyone wants to get high on canned air and drive around the consequences of their actions belong to them, not to me. I can also use a knitting needle to stab someone in the throat, but since that isn't the intended use of the product I am not carded to buy it. If I do use a knitting needle to kill someone no one is going to blame WalMart for selling it to me, they will blame me for making the decision to kill someone with it instead of knitting a handy lil scarf. The misuse of glue or paint is the exact same thing to me. If someone does something dumb and they don't like the consequences, they need to look in the mirror for blame. I should neither have to nor want to be inconvenience because someone else might make a dumb choice.

People are carded for products like alcohol and cigarettes because the intended use of the product is that they are being protected from, not some unintended use. I hate the safety police mentality. Put the information out there, like huffing paint can kill you, but leave it up to the individual to make their own choice. Those choosing poorly will have to deal with the consequences whether they be death, brain damage, or jail.

The problem with this line of thinking is that you assume that only the person who is misusing the product(s) can/will be affected. When you have situations that put other people in danger, the yes there should be guidelines around the purchase of the products.

 

[maxiesmom]

Oh, I agree totally with this! I'm in Canada, and my province recently passed a law that basically boils down to this: new drivers (until they've had their license for 2 years) can't drive between midnight and 5:00am at all "except for education or work purposes, or if they are accompanied by a driver who has a [certain class of license] or better, and who has at least three years of driving experience". Basically, this means that it is illegal for my straight-A, grad class president, sports-playing 17-year old brother to drive an inebriated friend home from a party at 2:00am. Someone always ruins things for the good people...

We have pretty much the same law here in Michigan. And you are right, it is those who abuse or misuse things that make it harder on the rest of us.

 

[lsyorke]

The problem with this line of thinking is that you assume that only the person who is misusing the product(s) can/will be affected. When you have situations that put other people in danger, the yes there should be guidelines around the purchase of the products.

Using this logic, you should not be able to buy steak knives because they can be used to harm someone else.

I have no problem with being carded for alcohol or nicotine products, that is the law. I do have a problem with denying purchase because of someone who is with me when I buy it.

 

[mum4jenn]

So were you driving all over the place without a drivers license?

 

[FireDancer]

The problem with this line of thinking is that you assume that only the person who is misusing the product(s) can/will be affected. When you have situations that put other people in danger, the yes there should be guidelines around the purchase of the products.

Guidelines around the purchase of products is fine, as long as the guidelines are around their intended use. I am all for minimum ages on alcohol and cigarettes, because as I stated before they are protecting the buyer from the intended use of the product. I do not want to have buying restrictions of any sort against the possibility that something is used in a way it shouldn't. Drano or weed killer can be used to kill someone, cotton balls can be used to filter heroine, a ball point pen can be used to stab someone. None of these are the intended use of the product so I don't want to be inconvenienced because someone may use them to harm themselves or someone else.

In my knitting needle scenario the person I stabbed in the throat would also be effected, but I am the one making the decision and no matter who is ultimately hurt it is my responsibility. I will be the one who goes to jail. Trying to determine what I am going to do with the product I am buying is too Minority Report for me.

I would rather not have the nanny state effect of trying to keep everyone safe than all the added measures that don't really keep anyone any safer anyway. If a kid wants to get high and kills someone they are going to find a way to do it. All making me trek out to the car for my ID did was inconvenience me. If someone makes a bad decision like sniffing paint and hurts them selves too bad, you should have though of that before doing it and I have no sympathy for them. If they hurt someone else, it sucks to be them, but the responsibility is with the person who chose to get high and drive, not with "society" because they didn't try to prevent it. I feel sorry for the innocent victims but the responsibility is still that of the perpetrator and no one else.

I am willing to give up some safety for liberty. I'll take the chance that someone will get high on paint and crash into me ahead of the big brother is trying to protect you mentality. One of my favorite quotes is "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither".

 

[kwelch10377]

Using this logic, you should not be able to buy steak knives because they can be used to harm someone else.

I have no problem with being carded for alcohol or nicotine products, that is the law. I do have a problem with denying purchase because of someone who is with me when I buy it.

Well when you have underage kids going out an purchasing them for the sole purpose of misusing them, then I am sure it will happen.

I am not arguing the that you should be able to purchase a product as long as the person who is making the purchase is of age to regardless of who they are with, although I somewhat see the point when a 21 year goes in with their 20 year friend to purchase alcohol. My whole point is I don't see what the big deal is that you need to show an ID to purchase a product that can be misused in a way that may harm that person or someone else or even to make sure that an adult is purchasing the product and they can understand that the product needs to be used in a certain way so that they do not accidently cause harm to themselves.

 

[bicker]

oh please! well i guess you can count cvs and rite aid in too because they never ask to scan an ID either its nicorette gum, yes it is laced with nicotine, but not as much as cigarettes, it is not like buying cigs or liquor.

Oh please! You should research your assertions before posting them.

Through inhaling smoke, the average smoker takes in 1 to 2 mg nicotine per cigarette. Nicorette gum comes in two varieties: 2 mg nicotine per, and 4 mg nicotine per.

 

[lsyorke]

I am not arguing the that you should be able to purchase a product as long as the person who is making the purchase is of age to regardless of who they are with, although I somewhat see the point when a 21 year goes in with their 20 year friend to purchase alcohol. My whole point is I don't see what the big deal is that you need to show an ID to purchase a product that can be misused in a way that may harm that person or someone else or even to make sure that an adult is purchasing the product and they can understand that the product needs to be used in a certain way so that they do not accidently cause harm to themselves.

I have no problem with showing an ID for something that I'm buying that has a legal requirement for showing ID.

I do have a problem with being denied purchase of something that I can legally purchase(with ID) because of who is with me making that purchase.
The logic here escapes me. It serves no purpose since the person alone purchasing something could walk out of the store and hand it to a minor.