Canon 400D (Rebel Xti, Kiss X)

I knew you would be of great help. But my bad... chop it up to a late night, I meant D80, not D40. As for the Pentex K10D, we did look at this, but (If I have my camera's correct) I was worried about the fewer megapixels and less focusing points...thoughts?

And as for the Hasselblad...hahaha! Maybe when I hit the powerball! I wish huh?
 
I just went through the same decision process. I researched just about every dSLR out there and narrowed it down to these two. I ended up with the Nikon D80. Yeah, it's more camera than I need - but, ohhhh, do I like it! I chose the D80 because Nikon has an 18-200 VR lens. However, it is not readily available. I have been waiting about a month and no word on expected arrival. I bought the D80 body with the 18-135 kit lens. If I went the Canon route, I would have to buy two lenses to get the same range and I really didn't want to have to change lenses all the time. One of the things the Nikon has that Canon doesn't is auto ISO option. Since I am very much a novice this was important to me. If I choose settings that are not going to give me a proper exposure, the camera automatically adjusts the ISO. However, both are great cameras! I spent several hours in camera stores using both of them until I was sure which direction I wanted to go.
 
Now your talking more about oranges vs oranges. The XTi and D80 are similar camera's. I've read a few reviews about the D80 and they rave about it (2 american photo mags and 3 different UK photo mags). I've used a D80. It is more like a film SLR (size wise) then the XTi. I've found the Canon's below the 20D to be to small for me. Image quailty between the 2 is going to be very close. The both also have similar features. I think the Nikon's buttons are layed out a bit better. I also like the better choice of lenses in the 18-??? range that Nikon has. The 18-135mm lens has gotten excellent reviews and when you can find one and afford it the 18-200mm is the best of the super zooms and comes with VR. As for other lenses they both have very similar focal ranges and prices vary for each. Some of Canon's are less expensive than the Nikon version and some of Nikon's are less expensive than the Canon version. Both make excellent lenses.

Steve's Girl, when you get the 18-200 lens, let me know if you want to sell your 18-135. I'd like to upgrade to that lens from my 18-70.
 
Now that your comparing the D80 and the XTi, I would say your at a toss up. It is entirely which you like better. one will be better in one area, and vice versa on the next.

Go play with one of each at a store... see which one feels better, and which one is more intuitive for you to use. I really don't think you can go wrong either way.
 

princessjv said:
As for the Pentex K10D, we did look at this, but (If I have my camera's correct) I was worried about the fewer megapixels and less focusing points...thoughts?

At that level, I doubt you will be able to find much difference. I believe we are talking about 10MP vs. 12MP. I have read a number of places that you need pro level glass ($$$) to even be able to take advantage of any MPs over 10 in a DSLR. It is even lower on a P&S.

I have the K100D and it has more focusing points than I even wanted.

Good luck!

Kevin
 
Master Mason said:
Now that your comparing the D80 and the XTi, I would say your at a toss up. It is entirely which you like better. one will be better in one area, and vice versa on the next.

Go play with one of each at a store... see which one feels better, and which one is more intuitive for you to use. I really don't think you can go wrong either way.


This is what I keep coming up with...Why can't one just be a better choice? That would make it so much easier on me! I have found a 2 lens package with the D80, which makes the price a wash, as I know I would want another lens for the Rebel XTI.

What about the anti dust setting on the XTi? Does that make a big difference?

I know both camera's are better, than I am (but I do hope to 'grow' into them). This camera is it...I do not get to get another one (DH says forever...we will see... :love: )
 
OK, now we've gotten more specific, the C/N/P folks can get back to disagreeing with each other. ;)

princessjv said:
I knew you would be of great help. But my bad... chop it up to a late night, I meant D80, not D40. As for the Pentex K10D, we did look at this, but (If I have my camera's correct) I was worried about the fewer megapixels and less focusing points...thoughts?
It sounds like you're thinking of the K100D, not the K10D (which just came out a week or two ago.) Featurewise, the K10D beats every other DSLR priced anywhere close in most every category, hands down, and is 10 mp like the XTi and D80 (in fact, it's the same sensor as the D80 and Sony.) It's an astonishing camera for being under $1k. It's so new that there are no "pro" reviews yet but you'll find a few people with them on the Pentax forums at Steve's Digicams and DPReview. There is a preview at DPReview that's worth looking at.

As it's brand new, it's selling for close to retail - $900 for body or $1,000 with lens - versus $513 after rebate for the K100D. The question being asked on the Pentax forums is if it's worth nearly double the cost - in other words, the K100D is plenty of camera for most people, but the K10D does improve upon and offer the few features that the K100D lacks. The same question can be asked with the Nikons, if the D80 is worth the extra cost over the D50. For many, it's not. You get into diminishing returns for your money when you start looking at the $900+ price point, IMHO. I would very seriously consider starting with a K100D or D50 and later upgrading if you decide that you need more camera - they have most features you could ask for, can nearly match the image quality of their big brothers, still put out a huge photo (look at a 6mp pic at 100% on your monitor - it's enormous), and give you a LOT of leftover money for a few more lenses. Your existing lenses will work with the higher models, also.

As like the article that Jann1033 linked to says - do not fall into the trap of assuming that more megapixels are automatically better! This is especially true in the PnS world where the more mp, the more noise and consequently the worse quality you'll get - with DSLRs, it's not quite as bad, but realistically, there isn't a tremendous difference going from, say, 6mp to 10mp (and very little between 6 and 8 or 8 and 10.) Megapixel count should be one of the least important factors when choosing a DSLR.

Anyway, you sould consider the Sony Alpha, too, if you are sold on spending more money on the body. Both the Sony and the Pentax feature in-body IS, which is a huge advantage. Canon and Nikon require you to buy expensive (sometimes VERY expensive) lenses to get IS, and forget it on something like shorter prime or shorter zoom.. meanwhile, the Sony and Pentax stabilize everything. The K10D even stabilizes rotationally. The Sony, Pentax, and (I think) Canon also have sensor dust cleaning systems. Still, If I was tied down and forced to choose between the Canon and the Nikon, I'd have to go for the D80 over the XTi - I don't care the some of the design decisions and don't like the ergonomics of the Canon, and it seems more like a cut-down model than it should for the cost.

As for autofocus points, if I'm reading the specs correctly, the Nikon D80 and Pentax K10D have 11-point systems, the Sony Alpha and Canon XTi have nine-point systems.
 
princessjv said:
This is what I keep coming up with...Why can't one just be a better choice? That would make it so much easier on me!
Sorry, none of them suck! You'll have to do the research and make the final decision for yourself. :teeth:

BTW, on a sort-of related note, I looked up some info on the Olympus DSLRs today just out of curiousity... they seem to have more noise issues than other DSLRs, have a limited catalog of lenses, and there's only one lens available with IS, and none of their camera bodies have it. Still, their new 10mp D400 (Europe only) is sharper at than the XTi (the D80 and Alpha were not in the comparison) at low ISOs but some of that may be due to the Canon's notorious kit lens. Anyway, if there weren't any other DSLRs, they'd be fantastic, but they don't offer compelling reasons to consider them over the Canon/Nikon/Pentax/Sony. Hence, it sounds like most owners are previous owners of Olympus 35mm cameras who have brand loyalty.

Fuji, Sigma, and Panasonic have DSLRs as well but they're all a bit pricier - like closer to $1,500. The Sigma is very interesting due to a unique sensor but it sounds like what makes it unique is also a disadvantage in certain ways. Again, nothing's perfect, but lots of things are very, very good!
 
handicap18 said:
Steve's Girl, when you get the 18-200 lens, let me know if you want to sell your 18-135. I'd like to upgrade to that lens from my 18-70.

I'll let you know when I get the new lens. So far, I have been quite pleased with the 18-135. We leave for WDW tomorrow morning! :Pinkbounc So, when I get back, I'll post some pictures.
 
Steve's Girl said:
I'll let you know when I get the new lens. So far, I have been quite pleased with the 18-135. We leave for WDW tomorrow morning! :Pinkbounc So, when I get back, I'll post some pictures.

Sweet! Have a great trip. We're looking forward to more pictures!!! :banana:
 
Groucho said:
OK, now we've gotten more specific, the C/N/P folks can get back to disagreeing with each other. ;)


It sounds like you're thinking of the K100D, not the K10D (which just came out a week or two ago.) Featurewise, the K10D beats every other DSLR priced anywhere close in most every category, hands down, and is 10 mp like the XTi and D80 (in fact, it's the same sensor as the D80 and Sony.) It's an astonishing camera for being under $1k. It's so new that there are no "pro" reviews yet but you'll find a few people with them on the Pentax forums at Steve's Digicams and DPReview. There is a preview at DPReview that's worth looking at.

As it's brand new, it's selling for close to retail - $900 for body or $1,000 with lens - versus $513 after rebate for the K100D. The question being asked on the Pentax forums is if it's worth nearly double the cost - in other words, the K100D is plenty of camera for most people, but the K10D does improve upon and offer the few features that the K100D lacks. The same question can be asked with the Nikons, if the D80 is worth the extra cost over the D50. For many, it's not. You get into diminishing returns for your money when you start looking at the $900+ price point, IMHO. I would very seriously consider starting with a K100D or D50 and later upgrading if you decide that you need more camera - they have most features you could ask for, can nearly match the image quality of their big brothers, still put out a huge photo (look at a 6mp pic at 100% on your monitor - it's enormous), and give you a LOT of leftover money for a few more lenses. Your existing lenses will work with the higher models, also.

As like the article that Jann1033 linked to says - do not fall into the trap of assuming that more megapixels are automatically better! This is especially true in the PnS world where the more mp, the more noise and consequently the worse quality you'll get - with DSLRs, it's not quite as bad, but realistically, there isn't a tremendous difference going from, say, 6mp to 10mp (and very little between 6 and 8 or 8 and 10.) Megapixel count should be one of the least important factors when choosing a DSLR.

Anyway, you sould consider the Sony Alpha, too, if you are sold on spending more money on the body. Both the Sony and the Pentax feature in-body IS, which is a huge advantage. Canon and Nikon require you to buy expensive (sometimes VERY expensive) lenses to get IS, and forget it on something like shorter prime or shorter zoom.. meanwhile, the Sony and Pentax stabilize everything. The K10D even stabilizes rotationally. The Sony, Pentax, and (I think) Canon also have sensor dust cleaning systems. Still, If I was tied down and forced to choose between the Canon and the Nikon, I'd have to go for the D80 over the XTi - I don't care the some of the design decisions and don't like the ergonomics of the Canon, and it seems more like a cut-down model than it should for the cost.

As for autofocus points, if I'm reading the specs correctly, the Nikon D80 and Pentax K10D have 11-point systems, the Sony Alpha and Canon XTi have nine-point systems.


Wow you are a wealth of info! But let me tell you, I am more lost than ever. I went and played today and narrowed down the XTi & the new Pentax. My 35m is a Pentax, so I should be able to use the lens' (right?). I really like the IS on the body of the Pentax and memory chip...yes memory chip, however on the XTi, I like the ability to get a variety of lens (I also worry about this memory chip, as they told me that some people have bent the threads when installin it). Since this Pentax is brand new, how so I get more info on it? My concern is will I be happy with it in the long run?
 
I'm not sure what you mean by memory chip? The only thing I can think of is a memory card, but there are no threads on one. The Pentax does use SD while the XTi used CF (I believe - not 100% sure off the top of my head.)

Pentax has the best backwards lens compatibility of any of the DSLR manufacturers - every lens works. If it's an old screw-mount, you will need an adapter, but the lens itself works perfectly. The only possible gotcha was that there are a couple Ricoh mount lenses. The Ricoh mount would mount onto an older Pentax (I had a Ricoh 35-70mm on my K1000) but will not go on a Pentax DSLR without grinding down a bit of protuding metal. Those are pretty rare though. You can tell such a lens as it'll have an "R" in the mount information - like "KR" or similar.

So yes, if you have some Pentax lenses currently, then they should work great on the K10D!

For specific questions, you'll probably want to ask on the Pentax SLR forums at Steve's Digicams and/or DPReview (or other Pentax SLR) forums, the K10D is obviously the hot topic of discussion at the moment! So far everyone sees extremely pleased.

In terms of the lens collection - there are a wide variety of lenses and MOST lenses available for the other systems have Pentax equivalents. If you like using primes, Pentax has the most thorough prime collection available at the moment - no one else has a wide, normal, and tele prime available new. They also have several more lenses coming. One difference is that the K10D is the first to support ultrasonic motor focusing, which is more common in the Canon and Nikon lines, so few lenses have that, but I think more will be coming. Of course, the wide capability means that older lenses are still valued by new Pentax owners, and eBay prices for old lenses have gone up dramatically in the past year or so.

No one can say for sure if you'll be happy in the long run but the K10D is one of the most interesting and, on paper at least, capable DSLRs available at the moment - and initial reports are that it's living up to the hype.

That being said, the older cameras (of all stripes) are still superb - DPReview just yesterday finally posted their review of the K100D, which they loved (and declared it to have the best image quality of any 6mp camera and comparable to the 8mp of the Rebel XT.) Hopefully it won't take them so long to get up a K10D review!
 
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This is Eli (named after Walt - well his middle name at least)

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Eli's sister Lily (named after Lillian Disney -Walt's wife)

These next two I played around with a fun filter I bought - and even added a frame to the second. The roses were given to me by my DH on Wednesday - it was our 20th wedding anniversary
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Very nice pics. Looks like you are having fun with your new toy :)
 
For those of you who have purchased this camera did you get the USA package or the overseas version? What is the difference between these two packages? The overseas version is just the body correct? Is the menu in English? What should a person expect to reasonably pay for this camera? Thanks for you help. I have tried contacting dealers to the point that I almost feel they are all crooks and trying to seel you a bum deal.
 
If you buy the import version of the XTi, Canon will not honor the warranty. That is why they sell the imports for less. You can get the import with the lens. You should be able to buy the US kit online for about $800
 
DizneyNutz said:
For those of you who have purchased this camera did you get the USA package or the overseas version? What is the difference between these two packages? The overseas version is just the body correct? Is the menu in English? What should a person expect to reasonably pay for this camera? Thanks for you help. I have tried contacting dealers to the point that I almost feel they are all crooks and trying to seel you a bum deal.

From what I understand...
1. They are the SAME EXACT camera mechanically
2. The US version is avaiable in a kit(w/lens) and a BODY only box.
3. English is available in all versions, I expect them to have selectable languages in menu setup.
4. Buydig.com(Beachcamera.com) has the US BODY ONLY @ $661 right now, no tax and free shipping.
5. Cosmetic difference is that US version will have REBEL XTI on body, while overseas version will say 400D.
 
Anewman said:
From what I understand...
1. They are the SAME EXACT camera mechanically
2. The US version is avaiable in a kit(w/lens) and a BODY only box.
3. English is available in all versions, I expect them to have selectable languages in menu setup.
4. Buydig.com(Beachcamera.com) has the US BODY ONLY @ $661 right now, no tax and free shipping.
5. Cosmetic difference is that US version will have REBEL XTI on body, while overseas version will say 400D.
I appreciate you assitance :thumbsup2
 
not to be a party pooper but having dealt with canon customer service :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: ( mine were printers not cameras so maybe that would be difference but i figure company policy might be company policy) i'd get the US warrenty unless you want to fight for the next few yrs if something goes wrong with it or just lose your entire investment to save a couple bucks initially
 
ndelaware said:
If you buy the import version of the XTi, Canon will not honor the warranty. That is why they sell the imports for less. You can get the import with the lens. You should be able to buy the US kit online for about $800
To be fair, the lack of a warranty has nothing to do with it being sold for less. It's sold for less when it can be purchased for less by not having to deal with the local country's distributor.

The person selling it couldn't care less what the warranty is on it, it's not their responsibility to honor it. (Outside of maybe an exchange in the first few weeks or so.) Actually, they will be even more on the hook if they offer their own warranty - for example, Adorama and B&H warranty all grey market items up to a year, shorter if the original warranty is shorter.

The US warranty for the XTi is one year, so you'll have the same coverage, the difference (if bought from B&H or Adorama or someone with similar coverage) is that you'll deal with them for warranty service instead of Canon - some may feel that that's a good thing. ;)

Still, I'd probably go for the Beach/buydig purchase, I doubt you'll find an import for much cheaper.
 












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