Buying multiple tickets for more fastpasses

[JimmyV]

I think that we all are.

Oh, I don't know about that. My views on this ticket issue would probably map me over to an area on the political scale where I never otherwise tread. So I don't think politics plays a role.

 

[mesaboy2]

I wonder - did people do this in the FP- days? It would have been even more beneficial then.

The OP said they did in the OP.

 

[magicbob]

Oh that's ridiculous. Did you buy out the entire restaurant because "space is valuable to you" or did you get a table appropriate for your party size?

Did you buy out every spot on the tour because you had the cash to do so and thought a private tour would be fun thereby blocking others from taking it?

There are a finite number of resources out there be it seats at BOG, FP's, or spaces in a tour. These spaces run out eventually. There is a difference between taking enough of a finite resource to suit your needs and the spaces running out and you taking up two or three times what you need at the exclusion of others.

Is it splitting hairs? Perhaps. I see a difference, clearly you don't.

Oh gee, I guess I'm really showing my political leanings now aren't I?

I said nothing about political leanings.

Obviously, I made the mistake of inadvertently stepping into the middle of something. I'll gracefully bow out and let you two duke it out.

 

[Turn the Page]

I'm sorry, but that's a very strange attitude to take on a board where people throw money at things they don't like to improve their vacation experience all the time, even at the "expense" of other people.

Yeah, this is a new way to spend more money to get more, but to pretend Disney was completely equal to anyone who wanted to visit before is false. I'm not even going to touch on people having better experiences than others by "throwing money at it" because some people can't even afford to go to Disney at all.

Do you take exception to VIP tours that allow people to cut lines? Do you take exception to EMH hours that give people who pay more at Disney resorts more park time? Do you take exception to people who stay at more expensive resorts to improve their vacation? Do you take exception to people who buy tons of souvenirs? Do you take exception to people who pay more for park hoppers? Do you take exception to people at universal who pay for FOTL access?

There are SO many ways people can pay for things that put them at an advantage over others. It's weird to choose one and get all high and mighty about it. There's nothing unusual about wanting to spend more money to improve your experiences.

It's not strange when in order to get what you want you have to either get multiple magic bands by either setting up separate MDE accounts or lying about the number of people in your room in order to get what you want.

Are you buying out an entire longhouse at the Poly to get the pool to yourself? Are you buying out every Mickey plush in the store?

Do you have to lie about the number of people in your room to buy a souvenir? Do you have to buy extra park tickets to get a room at the Poly versus on eat AoA? This is what the issue is for me. Buying multiple park tickets, with, in all likelyhood, separate Magic Bands, and potentially a fraudulent resort reservation to get said Magic Band, in order to get your three precious FP's is a hoop you have to jump through or a policy you have to twist to get it because you don't like the experience the ticket entitles you too and you think you should be entitled to more because you can afford it.

If you get right down to it if going on Space Mountain is so important to you why don't you have a party after hours and rent it out so you can go on it to your hearts content and not affect other people?

The issue isn't so much about throwing money around to make your experience better the issue I have is jumping through loopholes and twisting policies and outright lying because you (not you specifically, general you) don't like policies or experiences the way they are and want to throw money around at the detriment of others.

Heck, I even think it's rude for people to clear the shelf at the grocery store of an item. Guess I'm strange like that.

 

[JimmyV]

I wonder - did people do this in the FP- days? It would have been even more beneficial then.

People didn't find the need to do so as long as they were riding Tower of Terror and RnR three times each, and TSM twice during a typical day. So we, as a group, did not hit that critical point of allowing our frustration to cause us to open our wallets. But when our rides on these attractions now dips to one per day, with a possible second ride on the attraction of our choice, we have reached the point where the value of our $50 day is slipping and we might be willing to bump that up to $100 if we can improve things measurably. I never once left a WDW Disney park thinking that FP- was the cause of me not being able to do what I wanted, and hence, I never found a need to buy my way around the system. From the looks of things, there are some who do find that FP+ is something that they would like to circumvent through currency.

 

[magicbob]

I wonder - did people do this in the FP- days? It would have been even more beneficial then.

The OP said they did in the OP.

Correct, but it makes my head hurt just thinking about juggling two independent timelines for when to pull the next one with which ticket.

And I'm a former "super-abuser!"

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Oh, I don't know about that. My views on this ticket issue would probably map me over to an area on the political scale where I never otherwise tread. So I don't think politics plays a role.

Talking about politics in the broader sense of the word - not with respect government.

a: the total complex of relations between people living in society

b: relations or conduct in a particular area of experience

 

[Turn the Page]

I said nothing about political leanings.

Obviously, I made the mistake of inadvertently stepping into the middle of something. I'll gracefully bow out and let you two duke it out.

I know you didn't someone else did and that was in reference to them.

 

[JimmyV]

Are you buying out an entire longhouse at the Poly to get the pool to yourself? Are you buying out every Mickey plush in the store?

It's odd that you don't think that stuff like this happens. Small groups of extremely wealthy people routinely buy out entire floors of suites, largely for what they perceive to be security issues. Michael Jackson used to stay at the Dolphin and would buy out the top two full floors of suites. One floor so that no one else could be up there, and the floor below so that there was no noise below him.

Corporations book out the entire MK causing the bourgeoise to get kicked out at 6:00. People and corporations use capital to achieve access to "extra room" all the time. Some of the best viewing areas for Illuminations would hold 300+ people, and they are routinely bought out by groups of 20. People buy more than they need every day. Welcome to America.

 

[Turn the Page]

I wonder - did people do this in the FP- days? It would have been even more beneficial then.

Ooh, especially when it was first rolled out. Back then you could only have one FP at a time. You couldn't pull another one until the time for the one you had came up. So on a busy day if you pulled a FP at 10AM for Splash Mountain and the return time was 3 PM or whatever you couldn't pull another FP until 3.

 

[JimmyV]

Talking about politics in the broader sense of the word - not with respect government.

I was too. I was thinking in terms of allocating resources across society in general, and not in the government sense. My views on resource allocation in the broad sense do not really mirror my views on allocating resources at an amusement park. I guess I rationalize it as being a difference between "wants" and "needs". Disney is a "want", and for me, the game changes, whereas education, food and clothing are "needs".

 

[jco_direwolf]

I can't even imagine doing this. And there would have been no way to do it with legacy because the ticket has to be used to get in the park, unless you went in and then back out and in again on another ticket. Sound expensive and a lot of work.

Thing is that check is disabled, or was disabled though mid january (last time I personally checked it.) Right now as along as a ticket is valid and has FP+ associated with it it will allow you to use the FP+ with the band with/without using the ticket for park entrance.

You are correct for legacy FP prior to the roll out of FP+. Once FP+ was in this rollout (or extended testing.) The FP machines were set to give FPs to anyone with a room key, it didn't even have to be a current/valid room key. Room keys from 2 years ago work fine. The ONLY trick was it had to be a room key that NEVER had a valid ticket on it. It had be a room key only.

 

[Turn the Page]

Correct, but it makes my head hurt just thinking about juggling two independent timelines for when to pull the next one with which ticket.

And I'm a former "super-abuser!"

Me too. I don't have a trip planned until probably fall 2015 but I have wondered how I would keep return times straight and all that especially given that I don't have a smart phone.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Disney is already actively engaged in selling preferential treatment to guests who are willing and able to pay, and many of these programs come at the expense of others, in terms of limiting their ability to access the same events. A great example of the way that WDW currently allows guests to "buy" access at the expense of others is the ability to purchase dinner plans that also give them FoTL access to events like the Candlelight Processional or Fantasmic. For a price, you get guaranteed admission to an event. That means that people who have stood in line for hours miss out on these events.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I was too. I was thinking in terms of allocating resources across society in general, and not in the government sense. My views on resource allocation in the broad sense do not really mirror my views on allocating resources at an amusement park. I guess I rationalize it as being a difference between "wants" and "needs". Disney is a "want", and for me, the game changes, whereas education, food and clothing are "needs".

I see and agree - thanks for the clarification. Looking at it from that point of view, I guess that my "politics" do not align with my views here, either.

 

[Turn the Page]

It's odd that you don't think that stuff like this happens. Small groups of extremely wealthy people routinely buy out entire floors of suites, largely for what they perceive to be security issues. Michael Jackson used to stay at the Dolphin and would buy out the top two full floors of suites. One floor so that no one else could be up there, and the floor below so that there was no noise below him.

Corporations book out the entire MK causing the bourgeoise to get kicked out at 6:00. People and corporations use capital to achieve access to "extra room" all the time. Some of the best viewing areas for Illuminations would hold 300+ people, and they are routinely bought out by groups of 20. People buy more than they need every day. Welcome to America.

Oh I know it happens. I still think it's rude.

To give a more concrete example I view it like this. I decide I'm going to do some baking but I need to get flour. I normally have several (5 or 6) five pound bags of flour in my cupboard but I have used it all and need to restock. I'm only going to bake a cake so I don't need much today but decide I might as well restock now so I don't have to do it later. I get to the store and find there are only 3 bags of flour on the shelf. I was planning to buy 5 or 6 so do I clear the shelf of all 3? No, I think it's rude. I get the 1 I need and buy the rest needed to replenish my supplies when there is more available.

Maybe I'm just an odd duck......maybe my mom dropped me on my head too many times when I was a baby, I don't know. I guess I just think about things very differently than most people here do.

 

[morethananyonex]

Oh I know it happens. I still think it's rude.

To give a more concrete example I view it like this. I decide I'm going to do some baking but I need to get flour. I normally have several (5 or 6) five pound bags of flour in my cupboard but I have used it all and need to restock. I'm only going to bake a cake so I don't need much today but decide I might as well restock now so I don't have to do it later. I get to the store and find there are only 3 bags of flour on the shelf. I was planning to buy 5 or 6 so do I clear the shelf of all 3? No, I think it's rude. I get the 1 I need and buy the rest needed to replenish my supplies when there is more available.

Maybe I'm just an odd duck......maybe my mom dropped me on my head too many times when I was a baby, I don't know. I guess I just think about things very differently than most people here do.

What's the difference if you buy 3 bags of flour when there's 3 left or 3 bags of flour when there's 6 left? At some point that flour is going to run out (before they can restock it again). It seems that to follow your logic and the point you're trying to make, you should never be buying more than one bag because at some point your extra purchase will cause someone to lose out. If I'm following what you're saying, it shouldn't make a difference how much of a limited resource there is left, you still shouldn't take more than your one.

Applying your flour example to WDW, doesn't that mean that you would have no problem with people buying additional FP if they are not taking the last ones?

 

[Turn the Page]

What's the difference if you buy 3 bags of flour when there's 3 left or 3 bags of flour when there's 6 left? At some point that flour is going to run out (before they can restock it again). It seems that to follow your logic and the point you're trying to make, you should never be buying more than one bag because at some point your extra purchase will cause someone to lose out. If I'm following what you're saying, it shouldn't make a difference how much of a limited resource there is left, you still shouldn't take more than your one.

Applying your flour example to WDW, doesn't that mean that you would have no problem with people buying addition FP if they are not taking the last ones?

If the store is bought out of flour I can get more the next day or go to the store down the street and get some. If FP's are out and I wait in line for Splash Mountain for an hour but that puts me past closing time and I don't get to ride but you rode 6 times today? I can't go down the street and ride. I may not be able to come back tomorrow to ride.

I'm sorry but I feel that's rude. Against the law or specifically breaking Disney policy? Depending on how you did it maybe, maybe not. But I still think it's rude.

I can do lots of things that aren't illegal but are still rude. It doesn't mean I do them just because I won't get in trouble. I don't do them because it's rude.

 

[mesaboy2]

If the store is bought out of flour I can get more the next day or go to the store down the street and get some. If FP's are out and I wait in line for Splash Mountain for an hour but that puts me past closing time and I don't get to ride but you rode 6 times today? I can't go down the street and ride. I may not be able to come back tomorrow to ride.

I'm sorry but I feel that's rude. Against the law or specifically breaking Disney policy? Depending on how you did it maybe, maybe not. But I still think it's rude.

I can do lots of things that aren't illegal but are still rude. It doesn't mean I do them just because I won't get in trouble. I don't do them because it's rude.

So, is it rude in your opinion to ride a ride twice in one day? Is it rude to ride twice, once with FP? Was it rude to ride twice with FP when it was possible?

And by the way, as long as you are in line for something you will get to ride it past closing, barring technical difficulties.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I don't do them because it's rude.

This is where the conversation breaks down. It is okay to say that you choose not to do something because you are looking out for others, but when you say that others choosing to act differently is "rude", you are now calling others rude because they feel differently than you. Reasonable people can look at the exact same thing and see something different.

One or the other need not be "rude". To decide that people who see something differently than you are "rude" is to do two things - 1: call them names and 2: judge them to be less than you for making a different choice.

It is your right to do both, but is that really your intent? You seem to be a very thoughtful person. Consider what you are doing here.