Buying 2 contracts..? Home resort?

Pick the best UY for your vacation pattern, decide on your favorite resort, buy a 100 to 200 point contract there. Use the system, get a feel for the resorts/rooms/views/locations. If you love your home resort but find yourself short on points, buy another contract same resort/UY. If you decide that you like another resort but have trouble booking there at 7 months, buy another 100-200 same UY contract there.

You can stay in one resort one year and another resort the next year.

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It looks like the op is looking at premier season and 2 bedroom, and that's why the almost 500 points figure. I guess if they have the money, it's their money, but that is a very expensive way to go for a one week vacation every two years. If they could go any other time, it would require a lot less points and expense, something to think about.
 
So you're saying you think we could get away with a 200ish pt contract instead of 250? I saw some very nicely priced VWL contracts but then remembered that BLT has a later exp date & started looking at those.
It sounds like it based on what you've posted. In general I'm a big fan of underbuying in terms of resort and # of points assuming a full sized contract. It seems many let their emotions get the best of them and they buy the high end options (like Poly, VGF) and end up using it for things where they don't take advantage of what they've bought. And it seems that more and more people are looking to buy too many points. Many have found they slow down after a few years. One can always buy more points, downsizing is more difficult and buying smaller contracts up front to have the option later is far more expensive.
 
It looks like the op is looking at premier season and 2 bedroom, and that's why the almost 500 points figure. I guess if they have the money, it's their money, but that is a very expensive way to go for a one week vacation every two years. If they could go any other time, it would require a lot less points and expense, something to think about.
We would love to travel at less expensive times of the year but my husband is a teacher, so we can only go during school vacations. We are looking for the best deal possible, but we know that those times of year aren't cheap.
 

Maybe I can do some research & see if some of the 1br are bigger at some resorts than others (and like I've said, with 3 adults, 2 kids the bed situation is a factor) to see if wecould get away with a 1br as opposed to 2br.
 
Even at the most expensive times, a week in a two-bedroom is going to be in the 300's, with the exception of VGF and BLT's theme park view. I think you could easily start with 150-200 points and add on later if you really need to.
 
Even at the most expensive times, a week in a two-bedroom is going to be in the 300's, with the exception of VGF and BLT's theme park view. I think you could easily start with 150-200 points and add on later if you really need to.

I agree, plus the OP can bank year 1 and use it in year 2 you can borrow from year 3. With a 200 pt contract that gives you 600 to play with (or 450 for 150 contract). By the time you get to year 3 you can purchase another contract if needed. Depending on how you vacation you can stretch points by avoiding Fri/Sat nights saving more points. We are arriving on a Friday very late, we are going with a hotel room the first night at a good price, and saving the points (in our case it gives us enough for 2+ additional nights in a different season at another resort). Best of Luck
 
I was looking at the point charts for 2016 to see what the op was saying, and indeed most resorts for a 2 bedroom in premier season are between 400 and 500 points for a week. I think both BCV and BWV were somewhere around 470. That bottom right corner of the points chart gets pretty high, lol.

You could try going during the summer, that wouldn't be premier season. And then maybe do the Poly during the holiday times if you want to go then to save points and do a studio. I just hate seeing somebody feeling like they have to blow 2 years worth of points on one vacation because they feel they have to go during the busiest week of the year, sigh.
 
But all the dates she listed are in Magic season, or maybe even Dream season.

Hmm, yes you're mostly correct, here is the list: "February school vacation week, April vacation week, late June/early July, late August or holiday vacation week. I realize these are mostly busy times at WDW."

So the times listed as April vacation week and holiday vacation week I'm guessing would be premier season, but the other times mentioned by the op would not be. So yes I see no reason why this person would absolutely have to buy enough points for premier season. I would suggest to them again to do 2 bedrooms in summer and then if they still want to go during premier season then a Poly studio- could probably do a trip every year that way instead of every other year!
 
We would love to travel at less expensive times of the year but my husband is a teacher, so we can only go during school vacations. We are looking for the best deal possible, but we know that those times of year aren't cheap.
Those times aren't cheap in general but some are cheaper than others. In part it depends on whether your spring break tends to coincide with the 2 weeks of Easter or not, ours usually doesn't. The best $$$ value will be buying SSR and using at SSR standard or OKW. BWV standard, AKV value, Poly standard and BLT standard are not likely to be available but one might get them rarely with effort and good planning. The same could be said of VGF as well. I think the second best value is BLT long term which should give you everything that I mentioned about owning SSR plus access to the standard view there but at a higher upfront price. In spite of what some would like you to believe, AKV will be significantly more expensive long term and essentially no new buyer will use the value option enough or buy less points enough to make up the difference. The issue with buying at the Poly is that it's a triple or quadruple whammy (pay retail, buy more points, higher chance of financing and higher dues).

Underbuying in terms of points and going for a cheaper long term option will give you a lower short and long term investment, give you more options and give you flexibility to adjust later if you need more points or find you truly have to have X resort. You'll have the extra dollars to add on later if you need to and you won't lose much other than closing costs if you decided to sell completely later (the same an't be said buying retail) and buy at that perfect resort and since you don't currently know what/if that perfect resort will be. If the Poly ends up being the one, you could always add on as you'd need more points anyway and by that time there should be resales.

Maybe I can do some research & see if some of the 1br are bigger at some resorts than others (and like I've said, with 3 adults, 2 kids the bed situation is a factor) to see if wecould get away with a 1br as opposed to 2br.
All 1BR will allow 5 and many will sleep 5 with a queen pullout AND a single pullout in the LR. On property, OKW is the largest villas and the only with 2 queens in the studio. While there are some resorts that technically allow 5 in a studio, none are of sufficient size to make it reasonable for most groups IMO.

I was looking at the point charts for 2016 to see what the op was saying, and indeed most resorts for a 2 bedroom in premier season are between 400 and 500 points for a week. I think both BCV and BWV were somewhere around 470. That bottom right corner of the points chart gets pretty high, lol.

You could try going during the summer, that wouldn't be premier season. And then maybe do the Poly during the holiday times if you want to go then to save points and do a studio. I just hate seeing somebody feeling like they have to blow 2 years worth of points on one vacation because they feel they have to go during the busiest week of the year, sigh.
But it's unlikely they'll need a 2 BR every trip and unlikely they'll go premier routinely given what the OP has posted. And since their current plans are for every 2 years anyway, they'd have to rent points if they didn't bank/borrow. Plus if they got a good loaded contract, 200 can feel like 250 for a long time, maybe 10 years comparing a fully loaded to a stripped contract as the extreme example. Personally I'd look for a contract in the 170 to 250 range and let the best price determine the choice taking into account the value of any lost points. A fully loaded contract is usually the best value.
 
Lots of helpful info! I think it is most likely we would travel late June into early July, which is when the school year ends/before the summer program starts at my husband's school. We did go over April vacation this year -- we're in the north east, so instead of a spring break week somewhere in the middle of these 2, we have a week in February & a week in April (usually 2nd to last week). And yes, I was seeing a whole bunch of pts needed in the 450+ range.
So I was just about to say I was thinking of buying AKL bc the exp date is close to that of BLT, but way cheaper -- but you're saying AKL actually won't be cheaper? I really want to avoid OKW & SSR, because of How far away they are plus we've visited most of the other resorts for dining but never been to okw/ssr.
I think you've helped me decide against trying to buy poly direct for now.
 
Those times aren't cheap in general but some are cheaper than others. In part it depends on whether your spring break tends to coincide with the 2 weeks of Easter or not, ours usually doesn't. The best $$$ value will be buying SSR and using at SSR standard or OKW. BWV standard, AKV value, Poly standard and BLT standard are not likely to be available but one might get them rarely with effort and good planning. The same could be said of VGF as well. I think the second best value is BLT long term which should give you everything that I mentioned about owning SSR plus access to the standard view there but at a higher upfront price. In spite of what some would like you to believe, AKV will be significantly more expensive long term and essentially no new buyer will use the value option enough or buy less points enough to make up the difference. The issue with buying at the Poly is that it's a triple or quadruple whammy (pay retail, buy more points, higher chance of financing and higher dues).

Underbuying in terms of points and going for a cheaper long term option will give you a lower short and long term investment, give you more options and give you flexibility to adjust later if you need more points or find you truly have to have X resort. You'll have the extra dollars to add on later if you need to and you won't lose much other than closing costs if you decided to sell completely later (the same an't be said buying retail) and buy at that perfect resort and since you don't currently know what/if that perfect resort will be. If the Poly ends up being the one, you could always add on as you'd need more points anyway and by that time there should be resales.

All 1BR will allow 5 and many will sleep 5 with a queen pullout AND a single pullout in the LR. On property, OKW is the largest villas and the only with 2 queens in the studio. While there are some resorts that technically allow 5 in a studio, none are of sufficient size to make it reasonable for most groups IMO.

But it's unlikely they'll need a 2 BR every trip and unlikely they'll go premier routinely given what the OP has posted. And since their current plans are for every 2 years anyway, they'd have to rent points if they didn't bank/borrow. Plus if they got a good loaded contract, 200 can feel like 250 for a long time, maybe 10 years comparing a fully loaded to a stripped contract as the extreme example. Personally I'd look for a contract in the 170 to 250 range and let the best price determine the choice taking into account the value of any lost points. A fully loaded contract is usually the best value.
When you say AKV will end up beingmore expensive, is that because of dues? Looking at the price per point, it looks like we couldsave thousands over BLT, but there must be something I'm missing. thanks!
 
When you say AKV will end up beingmore expensive, is that because of dues? Looking at the price per point, it looks like we couldsave thousands over BLT, but there must be something I'm missing. thanks!
Yes, the difference in dues is $6.30 for AKV, $5.05 for BLT & $5.17 for SSR. AKV will be essentially 20% more than SSR for the same # of points. I'd have to run the numbers (can't right now) but long term BLT will be a little bit more than AKV but for a better value IMO though how you look at the numbers will affect the comparison significantly. Plus I think the dues are likely mature now at BLT or close and that it and SSR will remain close in terms of dues but AKV has more upward risk IMO.
 
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Yes, the difference in dues is 6.30 for $AKV, $5.05 for BLT & $5.17 for SSR. AKV will be essentially 20% more than SSR for the same # of points. I'd have to run the numbers (can't right now) but long term BLT will be a little bit more than AKV but for a better value IMO though how you look at the numbers will affect the comparison significantly. Plus I think the dues are likely mature now at BLT or close and that it and SSR will remain close in terms of dues but AKV has more upward risk IMO.

It's been awhile since I ran the numbers but I think that if one routinely stayed even in a standard view at AKV then the numbers were fairly comparable to BLT where it's not possible to guarantee standard view and one might have to do lakeview. A decent value at that time was using BLT at the lower point options (again, assuming one could routinely get them which I believe isn't unthinkable for late June/early July) but at that time the resale prices of AKV and BLT were much closer. Now BLT is $20-$30 higher than AKV I think? That could take quite a bit of time to make up dependent on how the points were consistently used. But, as I said I also haven't run those type of numbers for quite awhile.
 
It's been awhile since I ran the numbers but I think that if one routinely stayed even in a standard view at AKV then the numbers were fairly comparable to BLT where it's not possible to guarantee standard view and one might have to do lakeview.
Except that the standard view at AKV is always available at 7 months, so you could buy BLT and use those points at AKV and come out even farther ahead.
 
Except that the standard view at AKV is always available at 7 months, so you could buy BLT and use those points at AKV and come out even farther ahead.

True. Then it's a simple calculation of the cost per point difference vs dues difference for how long it is until you reach the break even point. And you could supplement that with considerations of if you would want to try to use the value or concierge rooms at AKV.
 
True. Then it's a simple calculation of the cost per point difference vs dues difference for how long it is until you reach the break even point. And you could supplement that with considerations of if you would want to try to use the value or concierge rooms at AKV.
That's the way I'd look at it in this situation. Given the price difference and dues difference, they should even out but it'll take most of the RTU length to do so. In this situation one would look at the same number of points for each when just looking to use for the system in genera. Both OKW and AKV should be available fairly routinely other than AKV value and AKV concierge. However, one will have something that has a higher intrinsic value in general and IMO, a more stable dues situation.
 
That's the way I'd look at it in this situation. Given the price difference and dues difference, they should even out but it'll take most of the RTU length to do so. In this situation one would look at the same number of points for each when just looking to use for the system in genera. Both OKW and AKV should be available fairly routinely other than AKV value and AKV concierge. However, one will have something that has a higher intrinsic value in general and IMO, a more stable dues situation.
That last line there - which did you mean? BLT? I'm not in love with the decor/pool, but the walking to MK would be amazing & the plan would be to try for other resorts as we can. Can you book your home resort at 11m, and then at 7m try for something else & switch the res to that?
 
Again, thank you very very much to everyone who is chiming in! Every response helps me figure this out more & more!
 



















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