Bush - Worst President Ever?

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I just read this on Yahoo. Interesting.

PARIS -- President John F. Kennedy was considered a historian because of his book "Profiles in Courage," so he received periodic requests to rate the presidents, those lists that usually begin "1. Lincoln, 2. Washington ..."

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But after he actually became president himself, he stopped filling them out.

"No one knows what it's like in this office," he said after being in the job. "Even with poor James Buchanan, you can't understand what he did and why without sitting in his place, looking at the papers that passed on his desk, knowing the people he talked with."

Poor James Buchanan, the 15th president, is generally considered the worst president in history. Ironically, the Pennsylvania Democrat, elected in 1856, was one of the most qualified of the 43 men who have served in the highest office. A lawyer, a self-made man, Buchanan served with some distinction in the House, served as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and secretary of state under President James K. Polk. He had a great deal to do with the United States becoming a continental nation -- "Manifest Destiny," war with Mexico, and all that. He was also ambassador to Great Britain and was offered a seat on the Supreme Court three separate times.

But he was a confused, indecisive president, who may have made the Civil War inevitable by trying to appease or negotiate with the South. His most recent biographer, Jean Clark, writing for the prestigious American Presidents Series, concluded this year that his actions probably constituted treason. It also did not help that his administration was as corrupt as any in history, and he was widely believed to be homosexual.

Whatever his sexual preferences, his real failures were in refusing to move after South Carolina announced secession from the Union and attacked Fort Sumter, and in supporting both the legality of the pro-slavery constitution of Kansas and the Supreme Court ruling in the Dred Scott class declaring that escaped slaves were not people but property.

He was the guy who in 1861 passed on the mess to the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Buchanan set the standard, a tough record to beat. But there are serious people who believe that George W. Bush will prove to do that, be worse than Buchanan. I have talked with three significant historians in the past few months who would not say it in public, but who are saying privately that Bush will be remembered as the worst of the presidents.

There are some numbers. The History News Network at George Mason University has just polled historians informally on the Bush record. Four hundred and fifteen, about a third of those contacted, answered -- maybe they were all crazed liberals -- making the project as unofficial as it was interesting. These were the results: 338 said they believed Bush was failing, while 77 said he was succeeding. Fifty said they thought he was the worst president ever. Worse than Buchanan.

This is what those historians said -- and it should be noted that some of the criticism about deficit spending and misuse of the military came from self-identified conservatives -- about the Bush record:


He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend and foe alike in the process;


He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive military spending and reduced taxation of the rich;


He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and state;


He has repeatedly "misled," to use a kind word, the American people on affairs domestic and foreign;


He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign ( Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);


He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity;


He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress;


He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems, corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime.

Quite an indictment. It is, of course, too early to evaluate a president. That, historically, takes decades, and views change over times as results and impact become more obvious. Besides, many of the historians note that however bad Bush seems, they have indeed since worse men around the White House. Some say Buchanan. Many say Vice President Dick Cheney.
 
Said it better that I would say it myself.
 
I didn't write it, but I mean, you can't really argue with the main facts I suppose:

He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend and foe alike in the process;

He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive military spending and reduced taxation of the rich;

He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and state;

He has repeatedly "misled," to use a kind word, the American people on affairs domestic and foreign;

He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign ( Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);

He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity;

He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress;

He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems, corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime.
 

I'm getting all tingly, waitin' for the responses on this one!

Someone hand me a drink and my own bucket of popcorn. This is gonna be a good one!
 
I will admit my knowledge of politics is not what it could be, but I really don't think Jimmy Carter was all that great of a president. Granted, he did great things with the Middle East peace talks but what else did he do? He is wonderfully giving of his time and energies for the Habitat For Humanity, but that is after his presidency.

I'm not thrilled with what George W. Bush has done but I personally don't think he is the worst president ever.
 
Miss Jasmine said:
Oh goody another popcorn thread. :cool1:

Yes, it is.

I'm sonewhat indifferent on Bush. I'd be lying if I said I liked him, but I can't say I hate him. I found the article to be very interesting though.
 
DukeStreetKing said:
I'm not thrilled with what George W. Bush has done but I personally don't think he is the worst president ever.

The one part of that article I can't get out of my head is this:

"He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign ( Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);"

I never looked at it that way, but it is true.
 
*sits back and waits a minute to refresh the page to see what is said next, and gets a bag of popcorn* :)
 
One can always argue with those alleged "facts", most of which are just the regurgitated talking points originally spewed by those suffering from (as noted in another thread) "Bush Derangement Syndrome." I'd waste the time debating them, but I seriously doubt it would make any difference and there are more interesting threads to pursue.
 
History will not be kind to this President....

while I agree it's a bit early to tag him with "worst ever" ....he has til 2009 to slide further down to the distinction....or save some positive legacy....

from what I've seen so far.....it's not looking good....
 
It's too early to label him the worst president ever-he still has 3 years to screw things up more.
 
Wow! The realization that Bush has three more years to do more damage
is scary! If I had the money (from the tax cuts I didn't get), I'd invest
in oil (Bush), Halliburton (Cheney), or phamaceuticals (Rumsfeld).

Darn! I thought our little family business was doing so well under Clinton!

I personally vote for Bush as the all time worst!
 
boomhauer said:
The one part of that article I can't get out of my head is this:

"He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign ( Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);"

I never looked at it that way, but it is true.

But what is the best way to fight the battle against Iraq and al-Qaida? As much as I would like to see our troops home, it just doesn't make sense to cut and run. Personally, I'd rather just level the country once and for all and get it over with, but that would not be a popular solution. Was it Patton that said "War is Hell?" We can sit back and armchair quarterback the decisions he makes all day, but that's easy for us to do from our computers.

I'll concede the point regarding New Orleans, but that was still not his fault entirely.
 
DukeStreetKing said:
But what is the best way to fight the battle against Iraq and al-Qaida? As much as I would like to see our troops home, it just doesn't make sense to cut and run. Personally, I'd rather just level the country once and for all and get it over with, but that would not be a popular solution. Was it Patton that said "War is Hell?" We can sit back and armchair quarterback the decisions he makes all day, but that's easy for us to do from our computers.

I'll concede the point regarding New Orleans, but that was still not his fault entirely.

Oh, don't get me wrong - I don't have the foggiest clue as to what can be done differently either.

Then again, I'm not a politician, and that's not my job. I think the biggest problem with Bush is, he lies (as do most politicians), but then refuses to admit he was wrong. People want leaders who take responsibility. Bush does not.
 
boomhauer said:
I just read this on Yahoo. Interesting.

PARIS -- President John F. Kennedy was considered a historian because of his book "Profiles in Courage," so he received periodic requests to rate the presidents, those lists that usually begin "1. Lincoln, 2. Washington ..."

Kennedy did not actually write "Profiles in Courage", BTW.
 
Dateline Paris Enough said.

President Bush began office with a terrorist threat that ws left unchecked for years. After 9/11 he made drastic changes withing the CIA, FBI, and Homeland Security, and there have been no attacks since. (Which he doesn't get credit for, conveniently.) Liberated Afghanistan, dismantled the Taliban, and has worked with the international community to freeze Al Qaeda assets, capture most of the top leaders, and has the rest on the run or fighting in Iraq. Liberated Iraq, and eventually history will show a democracy in Iraq led to democracy throughout the Middle East. Libya ends their nuclear program. A push for democracy is growing stronger from the general population in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Unemployment at near all time lows. Home ownership at an all time high. Interest rates at near all time lows, yet inflation is in check. The economy is roaring.

That will be President Bush's legacy. Half of the statements by the French "press" aren't even factually true, the other half are laughable. But if you want to be on the side of France, be my guest.
 
I also agree we can't cut and run now. But why in the world did we EVER INVADE
IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE? We are now seriously depeleted in our resources if Iran
and North Korea threaten us with the nuclear weapons they appear to REALLY have!
 
Tumbleweed said:
Wow! The realization that Bush has three more years to do more damage
is scary! If I had the money (from the tax cuts I didn't get), I'd invest
in oil (Bush), Halliburton (Cheney), or phamaceuticals (Rumsfeld).
What did you do with the tax cuts that you did get?
 
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