Bush was told levies could break ....

[Teejay32]

#1 We just saw pictures from last week's Mardi Gras and the camera teams also toured the parts of the city not yet cleared: The reports showed dozens of car wrecks still polluting the area. But it is a well known fact that the American public doesn't get to see as much as we do - Be it Iraq-coverage or be it of the conditions in your country.

Do you have a cite for that well-known fact?

 

[LoraJ]

Goodness Lora, you're wrong again.

I can see faults, but this is a thread discussing the levees, right?

I don't think the war is unjust, I don't think he lied about the intelligence.

Was the intelligence absolutely correct? Doesn't look like it. It doesn't mean that everyone i the free world didn't believe it though.

http://www.thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline



Friday, August 26

GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA [Office of the Governor]

GULF COAST STATES REQUEST TROOP ASSISTANCE FROM PENTAGON: At a 9/1 press conference, Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, commander, Joint Task Force Katrina, said that the Gulf States began the process of requesting additional forces on Friday, 8/26. [DOD]
Saturday, August 27

GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor]

5AM CDT — KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: “I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.” [Office of the Governor]

FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA: “Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.” [White House]
Sunday, August 28

2AM CDT – KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN]

7AM CDT – KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE [CNN]

MORNING — LOUISIANA NEWSPAPER SIGNALS LEVEES MAY GIVE: “Forecasters Fear Levees Won’t Hold Katrina”: “Forecasters feared Sunday afternoon that storm driven waters will lap over the New Orleans levees when monster Hurricane Katrina pushes past the Crescent City tomorrow.” [Lafayette Daily Advertiser]

9:30 AM CDT — MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES FIRST EVER MANDATORY EVACUATION OF NEW ORLEANS: “We’re facing the storm most of us have feared,” said Nagin. “This is going to be an unprecedented event.” [Times-Picayune]

AFTERNOON — BUSH, BROWN, CHERTOFF WARNED OF LEVEE FAILURE BY NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER DIRECTOR: Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center: “‘We were briefing them way before landfall. … It’s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped.’” [Times-Picayune; St. Petersburg Times]

4PM CDT – NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ISSUES SPECIAL HURRICANE WARNING: In the event of a category 4 or 5 hit, “Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks, perhaps longer. … At least one-half of well-constructed homes will have roof and wall failure. All gabled roofs will fail, leaving those homes severely damaged or destroyed. … Power outages will last for weeks. … Water shortages will make human suffering incredible by modern standards.” [National Weather Service]

LATE PM – REPORTS OF WATER TOPPLING OVER LEVEE: “Waves crashed atop the exercise path on the Lake Pontchartrain levee in Kenner early Monday as Katrina churned closer.” [Times-Picayune]

APPROXIMATELY 30,000 EVACUEES GATHER AT SUPERDOME WITH ROUGHLY 36 HOURS WORTH OF FOOD [Times-Picayune]

LOUISIANA NATIONAL GUARD REQUESTS 700 BUSES FROM FEMA FOR EVACUATIONS: FEMA sends only 100 buses. [Boston Globe]
Monday, August 29

7AM CDT – KATRINA MAKES LANDFALL AS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN]

8AM CDT – MAYOR NAGIN REPORTS THAT WATER IS FLOWING OVER LEVEE: “I’ve gotten reports this morning that there is already water coming over some of the levee systems. In the lower ninth ward, we’ve had one of our pumping stations to stop operating, so we will have significant flooding, it is just a matter of how much.” [NBC’s “Today Show”]

MORNING — BUSH CALLS SECRETARY CHERTOFF TO DISCUSS IMMIGRATION: “I spoke to Mike Chertoff today — he’s the head of the Department of Homeland Security. I knew people would want me to discuss this issue [immigration], so we got us an airplane on — a telephone on Air Force One, so I called him. I said, are you working with the governor? He said, you bet we are.” [White House]


MORNING – BUSH SHARES BIRTHDAY CAKE PHOTO-OP WITH SEN. JOHN MCCAIN [White House]

11AM CDT — MICHAEL BROWN FINALLY REQUESTS THAT DHS DISPATCH 1,000 EMPLOYEES TO REGION, GIVES THEM TWO DAYS TO ARRIVE: “Brown’s memo to Chertoff described Katrina as ‘this near catastrophic event’ but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, ‘Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities.’” [AP]

LATE MORNING – LEVEE BREACHED: “A large section of the vital 17th Street Canal levee, where it connects to the brand new ‘hurricane proof’ Old Hammond Highway bridge, gave way late Monday morning in Bucktown after Katrina’s fiercest winds were well north.” [Times-Picayune]

11AM CDT — BUSH VISITS ARIZONA RESORT TO PROMOTE MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT: “This new bill I signed says, if you’re a senior and you like the way things are today, you’re in good shape, don’t change. But, by the way, there’s a lot of different options for you. And we’re here to talk about what that means to our seniors.” [White House]

4:30PM CDT — BUSH TRAVELS TO CALIFORNIA SENIOR CENTER TO DISCUSS MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT: “We’ve got some folks up here who are concerned about their Social Security or Medicare. Joan Geist is with us. … I could tell — she was looking at me when I first walked in the room to meet her, she was wondering whether or not old George W. is going to take away her Social Security check.” [White House]

8PM CDT — RUMSFELD ATTENDS SAN DIEGO PADRES BASEBALL GAME: Rumsfeld “joined Padres President John Moores in the owner’s box…at Petco Park.” [Editor & Publisher]

8PM CDT – GOV. BLANCO AGAIN REQUESTS ASSISTANCE FROM BUSH: “Mr. President, we need your help. We need everything you’ve got.” [Newsweek]

LATE PM – BUSH GOES TO BED WITHOUT ACTING ON BLANCO’S REQUESTS [Newsweek]
Tuesday, August 30

11AM CDT – BUSH SPEAKS ON IRAQ AT NAVAL BASE CORONADO [White House]

MIDDAY – CHERTOFF FINALLY BECOMES AWARE THAT LEVEE HAS FAILED: “It was on Tuesday that the levee–may have been overnight Monday to Tuesday–that the levee started to break. And it was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the gap and that essentially the lake was going to start to drain into the city.” [Meet the Press, 9/4/05]

PENTAGON CLAIMS THERE ARE ENOUGH NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS IN REGION: “Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the states have adequate National Guard units to handle the hurricane needs.” [WWL-TV]

MASS LOOTING REPORTED, SECURITY SHORTAGE CITED: “The looting is out of control. The French Quarter has been attacked,” Councilwoman Jackie Clarkson said. “We’re using exhausted, scarce police to control looting when they should be used for search and rescue while we still have people on rooftops.” [AP]

U.S.S. BATAAN SITS OFF SHORE, VIRTUALLY UNUSED: “The USS Bataan, a 844-foot ship designed to dispatch Marines in amphibious assaults, has helicopters, doctors, hospital beds, food and water. It also can make its own water, up to 100,000 gallons a day. And it just happened to be in the Gulf of Mexico when Katrina came roaring ashore. The Bataan rode out the storm and then followed it toward shore, awaiting relief orders. Helicopter pilots flying from its deck were some of the first to begin plucking stranded New Orleans residents. But now the Bataan’s hospital facilities, including six operating rooms and beds for 600 patients, are empty.” [Chicago Tribune]

2PM CDT – PRESIDENT BUSH PLAYS GUITAR WITH COUNTRY SINGER MARK WILLIS [AP]

BUSH RETURNS TO CRAWFORD FOR FINAL NIGHT OF VACATION [AP]
Wednesday, August 31

1:45AM CDT – FEMA REQUESTS AMBULANCES THAT DO NOT EXIST: “Almost 18 hours later, [FEMA] canceled the request for the ambulances because it turned out, as one FEMA employee put it, ‘the DOT doesn’t do ambulances.’” [Wall Street Journal]

NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARRIVE IN LOUSIANA, MISSISSIPPI, ALABAMA, AND FLORIDA: Troops arrive two days after they are requested. [Boston Globe]

TENS OF THOUSANDS TRAPPED IN SUPERDOME; CONDITIONS DETERIORATE: “A 2-year-old girl slept in a pool of urine. Crack vials littered a restroom. Blood stained the walls next to vending machines smashed by teenagers. ‘We pee on the floor. We are like animals,’ said Taffany Smith, 25, as she cradled her 3-week-old son, Terry. … By Wednesday, it had degenerated into horror. … At least two people, including a child, have been raped. At least three people have died, including one man who jumped 50 feet to his death, saying he had nothing left to live for. There is no sanitation. The stench is overwhelming.”" [Los Angeles Times, 9/1/05]

PRESIDENT BUSH FINALLY ORGANIZES TASK FORCE TO COORDINATE FEDERAL RESPONSE: Bush says on Tuesday he will “fly to Washington to begin work…with a task force that will coordinate the work of 14 federal agencies involved in the relief effort.” [New York Times, 8/31/05]

JEFFERSON PARISH EMERGENCY DIRECTOR SAYS FOOD AND WATER SUPPLY GONE: “Director Walter Maestri: FEMA and national agencies not delivering the help nearly as fast as it is needed.” [WWL-TV]

80,000 BELIEVED STRANDED IN NEW ORLEANS: Former Mayor Sidney Barthelemy “estimated 80,000 were trapped in the flooded city and urged President Bush to send more troops.” [Reuters]

3,000 STRANDED AT CONVENTION CENTER WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER: “With 3,000 or more evacuees stranded at the convention center — and with no apparent contingency plan or authority to deal with them — collecting a body was no one’s priority. … Some had been at the convention center since Tuesday morning but had received no food, water or instructions.” [Times-Picayune]

PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY DECLARED FOR ENTIRE GULF COAST: “After a natural disaster, short and long-term medical problems can occur. Diseases like cholera, typhoid, hepatitis and mosquito-borne illnesses tend to break out under these conditions.” [WCBS-TV]

CHERTOFF “EXTREMELY PLEASED WITH THE RESPONSE” OF THE GOVERNMENT: “We are extremely pleased with the response that every element of the federal government, all of our federal partners, have made to this terrible tragedy.” [Department of Homeland Security]

EARLY AM – BLANCO AGAIN TRIES TO REQUEST HELP FROM BUSH: “She was transferred around the White House for a while until she ended up on the phone with Fran Townsend, the president’s Homeland Security adviser, who tried to reassure her but did not have many specifics. Hours later, Blanco called back and insisted on speaking to the president. When he came on the line, the governor recalled, “I just asked him for help, ‘whatever you have’.” She asked for 40,000 troops.” [Newsweek]

4PM CDT — BUSH GIVES FIRST MAJOR ADDRESS ON KATRINA: “Nothing about the president’s demeanor… — which seemed casual to the point of carelessness — suggested that he understood the depth of the current crisis.” [New York Times]

7PM CDT – CONDOLEEZZA RICE TAKES IN A BROADWAY SHOW: “On Wednesday night, Secretary Rice was booed by some audience members at ‘Spamalot!, the Monty Python musical at the Shubert, when the lights went up after the performance.” [New York Post, 9/2/05]

8PM CDT — FEMA DIRECTOR BROWN CLAIMS SURPRISE OVER SIZE OF STORM: “I must say, this storm is much much bigger than anyone expected.” [CNN]
Thursday, September 1

7AM CDT — BUSH CLAIMS NO ONE EXPECTED LEVEES TO BREAK: “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.” [Washington Post]

CONDOLEEZZA RICE VISITS U.S. OPEN: “Rice, [in New York] on three days’ vacation to shop and see the U.S. Open, hitting some balls with retired champ Monica Seles at the Indoor Tennis Club at Grand Central.” [New York Post]

STILL NO COMMAND AND CONTROL ESTABLISHED: Terry Ebbert, New Orleans Homeland Security Director: “This is a national emergency. This is a national disgrace. FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can’t bail out the city of New Orleans.” [Fox News]

2PM CDT — MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES “DESPERATE SOS” TO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT: “This is a desperate SOS. Right now we are out of resources at the convention centre and don’t anticipate enough buses. We need buses. Currently the convention centre is unsanitary and unsafe and we’re running out of supplies.” [Guardian, 9/2/05]

2PM CDT — MICHAEL BROWN CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE HEARD OF REPORTS OF VIOLENCE: “I’ve had no reports of unrest, if the connotation of the word unrest means that people are beginning to riot, or you know, they’re banging on walls and screaming and hollering or burning tires or whatever. I’ve had no reports of that.” [CNN]

NEW ORLEANS “DESCEND INTO ANARCHY”: “Storm victims were raped and beaten, fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as flooded-out New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday. ‘This is a desperate SOS,’ the mayor said.” [AP]

CONDOLEEZZA RICE GOES SHOE SHOPPING: “Just moments ago at the Ferragamo on 5th Avenue, Condoleeza Rice was seen spending several thousands of dollars on some nice, new shoes (we’ve confirmed this, so her new heels will surely get coverage from the WaPo’s Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the absurdity of Rice’s timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted, ‘How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!’” [Gawker]

MICHAEL BROWN FINALLY LEARNS OF EVACUEES IN CONVENTION CENTER: “We learned about that (Thursday), so I have directed that we have all available resources to get that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water and medical care that they need.” [CNN]
Friday, September 2

ROVE-LED CAMPAIGN TO BLAME LOCAL OFFICIALS BEGINS: “Under the command of President Bush’s two senior political advisers, the White House rolled out a plan…to contain the political damage from the administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina.” President Bush’s comments from the Rose Garden Friday morning formed “the start of this campaign.” [New York Times, 9/5/05]

GOVERNMENT AGENCIES DEMAND THAT DHS TO PAY ATTENTION TO WORKER-SAFETY: “By Friday, experts and officials from NIH, the Department of Labor and the Environmental Protection Agency began to make frantic calls to the Department of Homeland Security and members of Congress, demanding that the worker-safety portion of the national response plan be activated.” [Wall Street Journal]

EARLY AM — BUSH WATCHES DVD OF THE WEEK’S NEWSCASTS CREATED BY STAFF WHO THOUGHT BUSH “NEEDED TO SEE THE HORRIFIC REPORTS”: “The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.” [Newsweek]


AM CDT — PRESIDENT BUSH STAGES PHOTO-OP “BRIEFING”: Coast Guard helicopters and crew diverted to act as backdrop for President Bush’s photo-op.

10:35AM CDT — BUSH PRAISES MICHAEL BROWN: “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.” [White House, 9/2/05]

BUSH VISIT GROUNDS FOOD AID: “Three tons of food ready for delivery by air to refugees in St. Bernard Parish and on Algiers Point sat on the Crescent City Connection bridge Friday afternoon as air traffic was halted because of President Bush’s visit to New Orleans, officials said.” [Times-Picayune]

LEVEE REPAIR WORK ORCHESTRATED FOR PRESIDENT’S VISIT: Sen. Mary Landrieu, 9/3: “Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment.” [Sen. Mary Landrieu]

BUSH USES 50 FIREFIGHTERS AS PROPS IN DISASTER AREA PHOTO-OP: A group of 1,000 firefighters convened in Atlanta to volunteer with the Katrina relief efforts. Of those, “a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew’s first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.” [Salt Lake Tribune; Reuters]

12PM CDT — BUSH “SATISFIED WITH THE RESPONSE”: “I am satisfied with the response. I am not satisfied with all the results.” [AP]

PM – FEMA’S NO. 2 OFFICIAL “IMPRESSED” WITH GOVERNMENT RESPONSE: “I am actually very impressed with the mobilization of man and machine to help our friends in this unfortunate area….I think it’s one of the most impressive search-and-rescue operations this country has ever conducted domestically.” [Time]
Saturday, September 3

SENIOR BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL LIES TO WASHINGTON POST, CLAIMS GOV. BLANCO NEVER DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY: The Post reported in their Sunday edition “As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.” They were forced to issue a correction hours later. [Washington Post, 9/4/05]

9AM CDT — BUSH BLAMES STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS: “[T]he magnitude of responding to a crisis over a disaster area that is larger than the size of Great Britain has created tremendous problems that have strained state and local capabilities. The result is that many of our citizens simply are not getting the help they need.” [White House, 9/3/05]

8:05PM CDT – FEMA FINALIZES BUS REQUEST: “FEMA ended up modifying the number of buses it thought it needed to get the job done, until it settled on a final request of 1,335 buses at 8:05 p.m. on Sept. 3. The buses, though, trickled into New Orleans, with only a dozen or so arriving the first day.” [Wall Street Journal]

 

[MrsKreamer]

#1 We just saw pictures from last week's Mardi Gras and the camera teams also toured the parts of the city not yet cleared: The reports showed dozens of car wrecks still polluting the area. But it is a well known fact that the American public doesn't get to see as much as we do - Be it Iraq-coverage or be it of the conditions in your country.
#2 Just for your info: Germany is a capitalist nation as is the whole of the European Union. Nevertheless we like to care of our people. Capitalism and caring for your people do NOT exclude each other.

Yep, you sure see a lot more than me, and I live here....I never said it was completely cleared, and I told you why...yet again someone who is thousands of miles aways know more about New Orleans than I do, and I live here.

 

[punkin]

I swear, sometimes I think that anyone in this administration could literally shoot someone in the face and you guys would go out of your way to find excuses and blame somebody else.

Oh...wait...

I swear that has got to be one of the funniest things I have read on this board. You owe me a new keyboard. There is OJ all over this one.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

When I used the word "may" possibly hit and getting a lot of heat here about that, I'm not just speaking of evacuation beforehand. I'm talking about them being prepared on ANY level, including bringing in supplies, food, to getting them out after the fact. Again, it goes from local government up. Now you want to see great leadership, with 9-11, Mayor Guilliani was phenomenal. Your Mayor, Governer all the way up to the President showed terrible leadership. They had no plans for any aspect of what to do if a hurricane of this size hit. It was just too big and too overwhelming. You that are from the area I'm sure did see more than we see here on the news, but that is how it appeared. And Ms. Kreamer, I apologize about the cheap shot. My 79-year-old father is not the greatest speller, but is one of the most intelligent people I have ever known. But he had to leave school in the 7th grade to work and support his family, has respect from all I know, and educated himself, can speak on any subject, a truly brilliant man with the highest integrity, went on to obtain a high position in his union, helping the working people as he always was. I mention this only bc President Bush has had the best education possible afforded to him, what is his excuse?? And just to mention I find the extreme right and extreme left both a little scary!

 

[punkin]

I like the timeline. Kinda says everything, doesn't it?

 

[goofygirl]

The sex had nothing to do with it, he was accused of lying under oath about the sex. That is why the impeachement hearings happened.

And lying about WMDs (oath or no oath) and starting a war over WMDs he lied about is not as bad as what Clinton did, right?

At least nobody died as a consequence of Clinton's actions. The worst thing that happened there is that an intern's heart got broken.

 

[dcentity2000]

I don't think

Quoted for truth

Kind of like you guys saying Cliinton only lied under oath to having sex with an intern, no big deal right?

Lies are always bad, but it's easy to assess the penalty and situation leading to each lie.

Clinton said that he was faithful; he wasn't and that's just sad.

Bush and Blair said that the WMD evidence in regards to Iraq was solid; it wasn't and that's abysmal.

Honesty is more important where lives are at stake. It's a pity you can't see the difference, but no great loss.

It's that they are so blinded by the hate of the president, they want to blame every ill in the world on him.

Never mind the facts, they just interfere with their position.

Good luck to you and your family.

Why, look who's talking! You hate that you are wrong and instead of channelling that rage into, say, debating issues, you follow the formulaic insult road. Allow me to predict your future response:

I'm right because all liberals are blinded by hatred for [x]. I don't care what anyone else thinks because they are all inferior. I don't need to provide proof, evidence and so on because I have a wide range of superpowers. Fie on all those who dare to question to administration! It is shameful that democracy operates. Everyone but me has been bribed. Let's invade Russia in the winter. I am TCPluto, hear me roar!



What you need to do is take a stress pill, breathe in and out of a paper bag and question yourself as to why you are heavily outnumbered in the whole wide world. I know, it's scary, babe, but it'll have to be done sooner rather than later, else you blow a gasket.

I don't think he lied about the intelligence.

I suppose that there have to be people who blindly believe such things even when presented with the facts, but honestly, you're just making yourself look sillier by the minute!

Bush was repeatedly advised that the evidence was "weak", "flimsy" and "thin" - he said it was fact (Iraq "absolutely" has stockpiles of WMD).

Of course, not everyone has such a high standard for honesty - some are just blinded by hatred and willingly ignore the evidence. Good luck with that - you'll need it

Allow me to finally sum up your debating skills with yet another easy to read image; pre-schoolers understand this - do you?

Rich::

 

[Teejay32]

And lying about WMDs (oath or no oath) and starting a war over WMDs he lied about is not as bad as what Clinton did, right?

At least nobody died as a consequence of Clinton's actions. The worst thing that happened there is that an intern's heart got broken.

Clinton bombed other countries over WMDs as well. I don't know if we should assume no one died.

 

[TCPluto]

And lying about WMDs (oath or no oath) and starting a war over WMDs he lied about is not as bad as what Clinton did, right?

At least nobody died as a consequence of Clinton's actions. The worst thing that happened there is that an intern's heart got broken.

He didn't lie about the WMD's. He believed they were there. Whether he was right or not is another question.

Please try and digest the difference.

 

[TCPluto]

Quoted for truth



Lies are always bad, but it's easy to assess the penalty and situation leading to each lie.

Clinton said that he was faithful; he wasn't and that's just sad.

Bush and Blair said that the WMD evidence in regards to Iraq was solid; it wasn't and that's abysmal.

Honesty is more important where lives are at stake. It's a pity you can't see the difference, but no great loss.



Why, look who's talking! You hate that you are wrong and instead of channelling that rage into, say, debating issues, you follow the formulaic insult road. Allow me to predict your future response:

I'm right because all liberals are blinded by hatred for [x]. I don't care what anyone else thinks because they are all inferior. I don't need to provide proof, evidence and so on because I have a wide range of superpowers. Fie on all those who dare to question to administration! It is shameful that democracy operates. Everyone but me has been bribed. Let's invade Russia in the winter. I am TCPluto, hear me roar!



What you need to do is take a stress pill, breathe in and out of a paper bag and question yourself as to why you are heavily outnumbered in the whole wide world. I know, it's scary, babe, but it'll have to be done sooner rather than later, else you blow a gasket.



I suppose that there have to be people who blindly believe such things even when presented with the facts, but honestly, you're just making yourself look sillier by the minute!

Bush was repeatedly advised that the evidence was "weak", "flimsy" and "thin" - he said it was fact (Iraq "absolutely" has stockpiles of WMD).

Of course, not everyone has such a high standard for honesty - some are just blinded by hatred and willingly ignore the evidence. Good luck with that - you'll need it

Allow me to finally sum up your debating skills with yet another easy to read image; pre-schoolers understand this - do you?





Rich::

Isn't this cute, I have a little internet stalker!

Please Rich, you should try and get out more. Maybe fiind a nice girl to date.

Granted, it will be tough, especially if she knows anything about you. But do give it a try.

 

[amy4life]

haha! This thread is FUNNY

 

[dcentity2000]

He didn't lie about the WMD's. He believed they were there. Whether he was right or not is another question.

Please try and digest the difference.

He knew that the evidence was discredited and presented it as a fact.

Airtight lie. Opinion doesn't even come into it.

I don't expect you to realise that due to your (rather odd) display of rage towards anything remotely truthful though, so delude yourself all you want. It's no loss to the world



Rich::

 

[dcentity2000]

Isn't this cute, I have a little internet stalker!

You do! Where do you live?

Welcome back by the way - I've missed making you look like teh fool

Please Rich, you should try and get out more. Maybe fiind a nice girl to date.

Says the person replying to a political thread on a Disney forum - our hobbies are practically the same Seriously though, I'd rather that you not enter the real world - you might cloud the water with your distortions

Granted, it will be tough, especially if she knows anything about you. But do give it a try.

Will you go out with me?

Hehe, seriously though Plutes, you are reinforcing your lack of ability to debate - all you can do is make insinuations, insults and make yourself look generally strange. Try making a debate point that doesn't lose you the credibility you don't have It's not hard for normal people, so I guess it'll be a bit tricky for you, but do try anyway!



Rich::

 

[mtblujeans]

And lying about WMDs (oath or no oath) and starting a war over WMDs he lied about is not as bad as what Clinton did, right?

At least nobody died as a consequence of Clinton's actions. The worst thing that happened there is that an intern's heart got broken.

Wasn't it Clinton who let BinLaden slip through his fingers when he had the opportunity to stop him during his tenure? Can't Clinton take some responsibility for the lives lost?? Hindsight is 20/20, of course, but I don't think Clinton will fare well in history....and not just for his marriage problems.....

 

[FergieTCat]

Hindsight is 20/20, of course, but I don't think Clinton will fare well in history....and not just for his marriage problems.....

A quick search shows that Clinton's approval ratings never dropped below 55% (http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm); Dubya's approval ratings have averaged between 35-40% (http://www.pollingreport.com)

Why should Clinton fare any worse in history than JFK? I thought (believe/heard) that JFK was another one known for his extramarital affairs.

 

[Planogirl]

Friday, August 26

GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA [Office of the Governor]

GULF COAST STATES REQUEST TROOP ASSISTANCE FROM PENTAGON: At a 9/1 press conference, Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, commander, Joint Task Force Katrina, said that the Gulf States began the process of requesting additional forces on Friday, 8/26. [DOD]
Saturday, August 27

GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor]

5AM CDT — KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: “I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.” [Office of the Governor]

FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA: “Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.” [White House]
Sunday, August 28

Why do so many people ignore this part of the timeline? FEMA could mobilize whenever they wanted to.

Wasn't it Clinton who let BinLaden slip through his fingers when he had the opportunity to stop him during his tenure? Can't Clinton take some responsibility for the lives lost?? Hindsight is 20/20, of course, but I don't think Clinton will fare well in history....and not just for his marriage problems.....

Don't forget that the elder Bush didn't go after Saddam. We could play this game all day.

 

[dcentity2000]

It's an interesting one, certainly.



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[charlie,nj]

Yeah talk about a slow news day…I guess the press is still mad because nothing became of their big investigations into the Cheney shooting conspiracy.. or the wiretapping conspiracy..or the UAE port deal conspiracy..on and on same old media BS.

I remember seeing the Katrina video on the news DURING the hurricane..so it old news. As a matter of fact I think a few people were bashing President Bush at the time for “turning it into a news/photo op”.

(AGAIN) Is this the smoking gun that they are going after President Bush with? Him more or less repeating almost word for word in a Sept 1st interview something that he heard the National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield said a few days earlier? What am I missing?

From www.cnn.com

Bush has been accused of showing poor leadership after the disaster, and for indicating, along with Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, that no one could have anticipated that the flood protection system for New Orleans, Louisiana, would be breached.

However, transcripts from video conferences on August 28 and 29 show that National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield expressed concern that Katrina might push its storm surge over the city's levees and flood walls.
"I don't think anyone can tell you with confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not, but that's obviously a very, very great concern, " Mayfield says in one.

In a September 1 television interview, Bush said, "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees, " a statement Chertoff agreed with three days later.


BTW here is the time line I posted the the Katrina thread months ago.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/katrina/

at the bottom click on: Timeline: Katrina's devastation


Didn’t President Bush declare a state of emergency in Louisiana on August 27th?.


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[Sylvester McBean]

Don't forget that the elder Bush didn't go after Saddam. We could play this game all day.

he also warned his soft-headed son not to go after Saddam either. his reason was "there's no good exit strategy". wasn't that about 15 years ago... at least some Iraq intelligance was correct. don't worry, Cheney will award Halliburton a no-bid contract for the gulf coast soon.