Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

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BuckNaked said:
Of course someone questioned that right - you. YOU made the statement that your DH doesn't take vacations when things aren't going well, the implication being that the President shouldn't either. Why not be honest and just admit that you have one standard for this President and a different standard for all of the others?

If you like Bush so much why don't you marry him! :p

You repeatedly ignore my requests to show where I said that -- and continue to comment of what you've assumed from what I've said - and you know what happens when we assume! You've officially worn me out, Brenda. I surrender!
 
auntpolly said:
Oh, a president's vacation is not usually much of a vacation, but I think we all know what takes place on a Bush vacation.
Probably some of the same things that went on during JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, and Clinton vacations. And the vacations of Presidents long before these gentlemen.

It's odd that during the Carter administration the media complained that the President was isolating himself in the WH. With Reagan there were complaints that he visited Camp David or his ranch too much. Bush 1 went to Kennebunkport too often. Clinton didn't even get a pass from some media critics who whined that he spent too much time at celebrity's homes and on the golf course.

When is a vacation not a vacation? When you're the President of the U.S.
 
auntpolly said:
If you like Bush so much why don't you marry him! :p

You repeatedly ignore my requests to show where I said that -- and continue to comment of what you've assumed from what I've said - and you know what happens when we assume! You've officially worn me out, Brenda.

I'm already married, but thanks.

As for where you said it, I already provided the quote for you. If you didn't mean that the President shouldn't be taking a vacation, then why not explain exactly what you did mean?

And if it wears you out to simply back up your own statements...
 
I've read through bits of this thread out of curiousity, I suppose. But one thing strikes me about it -- there are plenty of good reasons to gripe about President Bush.

Frequency and length of vacations ranks right up there behind how often he eats Mexican food in importance, IMO.

Tear him down for things that warrant it, not peripheral issues. Just my opinion, obviously some don't see it that way.
 

jrydberg said:
Frequency and length of vacations ranks right up there behind how often he eats Mexican food in importance, IMO.

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Or donuts (KK *or* DD!!)
 
BuckNaked said:
I'm already married, but thanks.

As for where you said it, I already provided the quote for you. If you didn't mean that the President shouldn't be taking a vacation, then why not explain exactly what you did mean?

And if it wears you out to simply back up your own statements...


How many times do I have to do it? Why do I have to do the work for you? Do you think that if you ignore what I said enough times I will just give up? You're right, I will give up, because it's not worth it, but one more time, I've used the example of corporate america to show what grown up people do when there is a crisis, but I've also said that it's reasonable in a war for a president to take some time off, but that Bush has gone beyond what is reasonable. He never once stopped -- it's not like the war's dragged on and all of the sudden he needed a vacation. None of this has ever cut into his fun time.
 
jrydberg said:
I've read through bits of this thread out of curiousity, I suppose. But one thing strikes me about it -- there are plenty of good reasons to gripe about President Bush.

Frequency and length of vacations ranks right up there behind how often he eats Mexican food in importance, IMO.

Tear him down for things that warrant it, not peripheral issues. Just my opinion, obviously some don't see it that way.

Oh and thank you for steering this thread back on topic.
 
jrydberg said:
I've read through bits of this thread out of curiousity, I suppose. But one thing strikes me about it -- there are plenty of good reasons to gripe about President Bush.

Frequency and length of vacations ranks right up there behind how often he eats Mexican food in importance, IMO.

Tear him down for things that warrant it, not peripheral issues. Just my opinion, obviously some don't see it that way.

For me, it's just one more reason to have no respect for him. After 9/11 there was that brief little moment when I thought I could get behind him -- honestly it's the truth. But time after time in these past few years I've seen how it was misplaced trust.
 
So now we've gone from no vacations to some vacations...I guess that's a start.

Speaking of fun time, I'm still waiting for you to enlighten us on what President Bush does on his vacations that other Presidents don't do...
 
Charade said:
Those two comments kinda contradict themselves. If no one has questioned the Presidents right to take "some" time off, why does it matter that he's supposedly set a new record at doing it?

The fact is "some" is relavtive and "some" people have a real problem with that amount.

I honestly think Bush could invade Canada and you people would defend him.
 
BuckNaked said:
So now we've gone from no vacations to some vacations...I guess that's a start.

Speaking of fun time, I'm still waiting for you to enlighten us on what President Bush does on his vacations that other Presidents don't do...


Now I'm pissed - I never said no vacations - you really do not fight fair, and you never could, Brenda.

Consider this a win for you if this is how you like to win.
 
auntpolly said:
How many times do I have to do it? Why do I have to do the work for you? Do you think that if you ignore what I said enough times I will just give up? You're right, I will give up, because it's not worth it, but one more time, I've used the example of corporate america to show what grown up people do when there is a crisis, but I've also said that it's reasonable in a war for a president to take some time off, but that Bush has gone beyond what is reasonable. He never once stopped -- it's not like the war's dragged on and all of the sudden he needed a vacation. None of this has ever cut into his fun time.

"grown up people"??? pulease...

"reasonable"???

What's reasonable to you? Referencing other Presidents "vacations" during a crisis *is* relevant. I don't see how it can't be.

"fun time"???

How many times on this board has advice been given to people to go have a good time (or at least try) at WDW who were all set to go but tragedy or crisis struck?

Answer? Lots. Not always, but lots of times.
 
Tigger_Magic said:
Those of us who are fighting from their keyboards and their water coolers are the backbone of the economic system that supports our military forces.

You can't make this stuff up.

So let me see if I understand this: The war supporter ( or chickenhawk warmonger depending on your pov) isn't volunteering because their job is too essential to the war effort. Oh, puhleeeeze.

Tigger_Magic said:
Take that away and where would the find the necessary funds to support what they do?

Where we've been finding the necessary funds..........investments from the Chinese government, the Japanese government, etc. This has caused record deficits and the only to keep the deficit down (there's a joke in here somewhere) to it's current level is by selling pieces of the US via treasury bonds and treasury notes and thereby by passing the cost on to the next generation.

Of course, people could responsibly pay for the war via a tax.

Hahahahahaha.........broke myself up with that one.

Tigger_Magic said:
Ms. Sheehan can do whatever she wants with her grief and loss. I am free to say it is a sad, pitiful thing to do. I have more respect for those who find productive ways to manage their grief/loss than to attempt to pander to partisan politics. However, to each their own.

It only becomes partisan politics when you don't happen to like the politics. If Ms. Sheehan was outside the faux Crawford ranch with a sign glorifying Bush and his war, she would've probably been invited in for an iced tea with the family.
 
ThAnswr said:
It only becomes partisan politics when you don't happen to like the politics.

That's not completely true. I don't like the political views of many on the left but I don't consider it "partisan" just because we disagree.

When people like Kennedy and his friends make outrageous comments like "this is Bush's VN", that *IS* being partisan.
 
Maureen Dowd has a great op-ed in the NYT Why No Tea and Sympathy?
Cindy Sheehan, a 48-year-old Californian with a knack for P.R., says she will camp out in the dusty heat near the ranch until she gets to tell Mr. Bush face to face that he must pull all U.S. troops out of Iraq. Her son, Casey, a 24-year-old Army specialist, was killed in a Sadr City ambush last year.

The president met with her family two months after Casey's death. Capturing W.'s awkwardness in traversing the line between somber and joking, and his love of generic labels, Ms. Sheehan said that W. had referred to her as "Mom" throughout the meeting, and given her the sense that he did not know who her son was.

The Bush team tried to discredit "Mom" by pointing reporters to an old article in which she sounded kinder to W. If only her husband were an undercover C.I.A. operative, the Bushies could out him. But even if they send out a squad of Swift Boat Moms for Truth, there will be a countering Falluja Moms for Truth.

It's amazing that the White House does not have the elementary shrewdness to have Mr. Bush simply walk down the driveway and hear the woman out, or invite her in for a cup of tea. But W., who has spent nearly 20 percent of his presidency at his ranch, is burrowed into his five-week vacation and two-hour daily workouts. He may be in great shape, but Iraq sure isn't.

It's hard to think of another president who lived in such meta-insulation. His rigidly controlled environment allows no chance encounters with anyone who disagrees. He never has to defend himself to anyone, and that is cognitively injurious. He's a populist who never meets people - an ordinary guy who clears brush, and brush is the only thing he talks to. Mr. Bush hails Texas as a place where he can return to his roots. But is he mixing it up there with anyone besides Vulcans, Pioneers and Rangers?

W.'s idea of consolation was to dispatch Stephen Hadley, the national security adviser, to talk to Ms. Sheehan, underscoring the inhumane humanitarianism of his foreign policy. Mr. Hadley is just a suit, one of the hard-line Unsweet Neo Cons who helped hype America into this war.

It's getting harder for the president to hide from the human consequences of his actions and to control human sentiment about the war by pulling a curtain over the 1,835 troops killed in Iraq; the more than 13,000 wounded, many shorn of limbs; and the number of slain Iraqi civilians - perhaps 25,000, or perhaps double or triple that. More people with impeccable credentials are coming forward to serve as a countervailing moral authority to challenge Mr. Bush.

Paul Hackett, a Marine major who served in Iraq and criticized the president on his conduct of the war, narrowly lost last week when he ran for Congress as a Democrat in a Republican stronghold in Cincinnati. Newt Gingrich warned that the race should "serve as a wake-up call to Republicans" about 2006.

Selectively humane, Mr. Bush justified his Iraq war by stressing the 9/11 losses. He emphasized the humanity of the Iraqis who desire freedom when his W.M.D. rationale vaporized.

But his humanitarianism will remain inhumane as long as he fails to understand that the moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute.
The article also mentions the new Rolling Stone song that has the great line
And the Rolling Stones have taken a rare break from sex odes to record an antiwar song called "Sweet Neo Con," chiding Condi Rice and Mr. Bush. "You call yourself a Christian; I call you a hypocrite," Mick Jagger sings
I wonder if the NFL is going to play this song during games next year. This also is going to be fun
 
Charade said:
Actually, without their help we probably would have won instead of running out with our tails between our legs.

Here's the lesson you should've learned from the Viet Nam war.

The lesson is don't start a war with fictitious events and continue that war with stellar statements such as "I see a light at the end of the tunnel" when 300+ are dying every week in the rice paddies of Viet Nam.

The American people had had it with the Viet Nam war, not because they were cowards who lost heart for the fight, but because the realization had set in that the president was a lying ******* and the war was being mishandled.

And just to refresh your memory, Nixon ran in 1968 on a campaign that he had a "secret" plan to end the war in 6 months. He didn't want to be the first president to "lose face" so 10,000 more Americans died.

Btw, I take notice how many times the righties blame the American public for being cowards or faint hearted. I thought righties trusted the American public or is it only when you agree with the politics?
 
BuckNaked said:
So then be consistent about it...I would say that WWII was a pretty "big problem", so using your logic, I guess that FDR shouldn't have been sitting in the warm water with his cookie while the war was raging overseas and people were dying.

"Sitting in warm water with his cookie".........Brenda, this is an intervention. Step away from the keyboard.

FYI, FDR had polio and was fighting WWII against the German war machine and the Japanese Imperial Army/Navy. How you can possibly compare that with a healthy man (Bush) who can't even seem to manage a regional conflict (Iraq) in a country that doesn't have a military.

And what is this "cookie"? If you're referring to the woman he was with at Warm Springs, she was his cousin, Daisy Suckley , who was a confidante and close friend from childhood.
 
Tigger_Magic said:
If one takes a vacation then it follows that one does not take their obligations seriously?

I have, on occasion, rescheduled vacation time to fulfill obligations. However, more often than not, I consider my well-earned time off just as important as my obligations. Vacations are an essential part of one's work.

However, it will never cease to amaze me that there are people who believe the President actually gets a real vacation like the rest of us get... meaning actual time off work.

We know of at least one memo, dated August 6 2001 with the title "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In the US", that slipped by Bush while he was on vacation.
 
ThAnswr said:
The American people had had it with the Viet Nam war, not because they were cowards who lost heart for the fight, but because the realization had set in that the president was a lying ******* and the war was being mishandled.

This would be true of every war we've ever fought if the media environment was the way it's been for the last 30 years or so.

Can you imagine the modern-day coverage of Valley Forge? Antietam? Iwo Jima?
 
ThAnswr said:
FYI, FDR had polio and was fighting WWII against the German war machine and the Japanese Imperial Army/Navy. How you can possibly compare that with a healthy man (Bush) who can't even seem to manage a regional conflict (Iraq) in a country that doesn't have a military.


So.... if he was doing a stellar job at that regional conflict no one would complain about him taking the most vacation time on record? Ok, sure.



And what is this "cookie"? If you're referring to the woman he was with at Warm Springs, she was his cousin, Daisy Suckley , who was a confidante and close friend from childhood.

I thought he died in the bed of his lover?
 
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