Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

[Tigger_Magic]

I'm almost reluctant to post again, because I've posted enough on this thread, but does Kincaid mean "terrorists" or "insurgents"? The statement is a little unclear to me.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that the two are indistinguishable. I don't know Mr. Kincaid, so I won't presume to speak for him. You could e-mail him and ask him for clarification.

 

[sodaseller]

What a cheap shot by Kinkaid - so typical, so sleazy, so indefensible. For the record, anyone that truly wanted the US efforts in Iraq to fail would support the present civilian command structure unqualifiedly, as they have proved their imcompetence in that role over and over, from too few troops to not enough armor to underestimating resistance.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

What a cheap shot by Kinkaid - so typical, so sleazy, so indefensible. For the record, anyone that truly wanted the US efforts in Iraq to fail would support the present civilian command structure unqualifiedly, as they have proved their imcompetence in that role over and over, from too few troops to not enough armor to underestimating resistance.

Why is it a cheap shot to ask Ms. Sheehan, the current mouthpiece for the extreme left, to clarify her position. Maybe she could explain what she said on www.truthout.org

You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East.

Hmm... so "peace" to Ms. Sheehan is a cancer?

Or maybe this war is really a neo-conservative attempt to build more support for Israel? Quote from Ms. Sheehan:

Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel.

Wonder what it will be tomorrow?

 

[peachgirl]

Wonder what it will be tomorrow?

What's really interesting is just how scared the right wingers are of Ms.Sheehan.


You're working awfully hard to trash her, a little worried are you?

 

[ThAnswr]

An interesting quote from Cliff Kincaid, editor of AIM (Accuracy in Media): But this will surely be dismissed as just more "sliming" from a "rightie mouthpiece".

It is more sliming from a rightie mouthpiece.

But, carry on............

 

[ThAnswr]

I'm almost reluctant to post again, because I've posted enough on this thread, but does Kincaid mean "terrorists" or "insurgents"? The statement is a little unclear to me.

Unfortunately, there's nothing unclear about the statement.

The righties slime-meisters have always peddled the bull**** that those who did not support Bush, supported Saddam Hussein and the terrorists. How many times has one of the righties here (who shall go nameless not to protect the innocent, but the guilty) asked: "Are you happy Saddam Hussein is gone" as if that isn't the most assinine question on God's green earth. Ahhh, but to the righties, it means something.

I hope this thread is an eye opener for a few people. And it ought to be a soul searcher for more than a few.

 

[ThAnswr]

What a cheap shot by Kinkaid - so typical, so sleazy, so indefensible. For the record, anyone that truly wanted the US efforts in Iraq to fail would support the present civilian command structure unqualifiedly, as they have proved their imcompetence in that role over and over, from too few troops to not enough armor to underestimating resistance.

Bingo! If you really want the Iraq effort to fail, just keep supporting George Bush.

 

[ThAnswr]

Why is it a cheap shot to ask Ms. Sheehan, the current mouthpiece for the extreme left, to clarify her position. Maybe she could explain what she said on www.truthout.org Hmm... so "peace" to Ms. Sheehan is a cancer?

Or maybe this war is really a neo-conservative attempt to build more support for Israel? Quote from Ms. Sheehan:

Wonder what it will be tomorrow?

"Current mouthpiece"...............I had to see that again.

And, btw, "Pax Americana" has nothing to do with peace. It's a term related to "Pax Romana" which was peace due to the triumph of the Roman empire through conquest.

 

[ThAnswr]

What's really interesting is just how scared the right wingers are of Ms.Sheehan.


You're working awfully hard to trash her, a little worried are you?

Isn't it amazing how one little woman is driving these people bonkers.

This really has been a "pass the popcorn" escapade.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

What's really interesting is just how scared the right wingers are of Ms.Sheehan.


You're working awfully hard to trash her, a little worried are you?

What, me worry? LOL!!! Like many others I am just enjoying the entertainment of this "show."

 

[sodaseller]

Kincaid is also the individual who was certain that Democrats penned that nasty Schiavo memo that no Republican would ever do, cynically conmfessing to the political power of the issue. For days GOPrs allowed these charges to fly. On the eve of threatened exposure, the ethically challenged Sen. Martinez confessed that it was indeed his staff, even though he stood silent for days while the issue was being debated. That's evidence of the quality of Kincaid's analysis

 

[ThAnswr]

Kincaid is also the individual who was certain that Democrats penned that nasty Schiavo memo that no Republican would ever do, cynically conmfessing to the political power of the issue. For days GOPrs allowed these charges to fly. On the eve of threatened exposure, the ethically challenged Sen. Martinez confessed that it was indeed his staff, even though he stood silent for days while the issue was being debated. That's evidence of the quality of Kincaid's analysis

It's also evidence of Martinez's character.

Good old "Sideshow Mel".................that was a cheap shot even for him. And that's saying something.

 

[peachgirl]

What, me worry? LOL!!! Like many others I am just enjoying the entertainment of this "show."

Just keep saying that to yourself, maybe you can convince yourself it's actually true.

Sounds more like whistling in the dark to me, but please if it makes you feel better, trash on.

I don't think there's anything the Dems could do to hurt Repubs more than they seem to be willing to do themselves...imagine....the flag waving, chest thumping, pro war right wingers who so love the troops and the families who sacrifice everything are perfectly willing to do their best to trash the mother of a dead soldier simply because they don't agree with her politics.

Hmmmm....I guess that support only extends so far, huh?

Btw, what do you think of the right wing nut who proceeded to knock down all the crosses put up to commemorate soldiers who had died in Bu$h's war? Just wondering as I hadn't seen any conservatives make comment on it.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Just keep saying that to yourself, maybe you can convince yourself it's actually true.

Sounds more like whistling in the dark to me, but please if it makes you feel better, trash on.

Like I said earlier, what one side sees as telling the truth the other side calls "trashing." It's simply a matter of one's perspective.

I don't think there's anything the Dems could do to hurt Repubs more than they seem to be willing to do themselves...imagine....the flag waving, chest thumping, pro war right wingers who so love the troops and the families who sacrifice everything are perfectly willing to do their best to trash the mother of a dead soldier simply because they don't agree with her politics.

Hmmmm....I guess that support only extends so far, huh?

Ms. Sheehan willing threw herself into the spotlight of media attention and eagerly accepted the position on center stage. She made the decision to try to use her son's death like a bazooka to try to "take out" the President. She voluntarily offers her sometimes bizarre thoughts daily and revels in the attention she receives (see http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/huffpost/20050815/cm_huffpost/005665_200508150328 where she says "I know what it's like to be Mickey in Disneyland!"). She may be the mother of a dead soldier, but she is also an attention-seeking, media-hungry political activist who seemingly will do or say anything to extend her time in the media spotlight.

So, yeah... that "support" only extends so far. I hope people will revisit this a few months from now, after the President returns to the WH and the dust around Crawford settles. I hope people will revisit the "support" Ms. Sheehan receives in a few months, a few years, a couple of decades from now... when the cheering crowds are gone, the cameras turned off, the spotlights turned out. The "support" she has now only extends so far, too.

Btw, what do you think of the right wing nut who proceeded to knock down all the crosses put up to commemorate soldiers who had died in Bu$h's war? Just wondering as I hadn't seen any conservatives make comment on it.

You must mean Larry Northern. I don't know him at all, but I agree he should be arrested for vandalism at the very least. Since witnesses said he was weaving on and off the road, I would hope he'd be charged with more, like reckless driving or endangering people who were nearby. I hope he is convicted and appropriately punished.

 

[peachgirl]

So, yeah... that "support" only extends so far.

That would be the difference I find between most conservatives and liberals.

Our support of the troops and their families who have made the "ultimate sacrifice" ( the right's soft sell for saying they DIED) isn't qualified by the beliefs they hold or the actions they take to promote those beliefs, yours is.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

That would be the difference I find between most conservatives and liberals.

Our support of the troops and their families who have made the "ultimate sacrifice" ( the right's soft sell for saying they DIED) isn't qualified by the beliefs they hold or the actions they take to promote those beliefs, yours is.

LOL! You really think you know me that well. Go back and read post #888. Then come back and tell me that my support is qualified by any belief I hold or actions I take to promote those beliefs.

Please don't attempt to elevate one side or denigrate the other in how they support the troops or families, especially when you don't know who you are talking to. If/when I use the term "ultimate sacrifice", I've learned a little something of what that really means.

It pays to keep in mind that sometimes "most" conservatives and "most" liberals are not necessarily cut from the exact same cloth. It's an error I make a lot and hope to learn to avoid one day soon. Painting with a broad brush is an easy habit to acquire but a hard one to break.

 

[peachgirl]

LOL! You really think you know me that well.

No, I don't know you at all, I'm simply going by what you said...." that "support" only extends so far".

I've kept up with the entire thread, so I don't need to read it again. I know that you have said your mother had suffered the same loss as Ms.Sheehan. I don't know what the details are and I don't need to. Your mother has my deepest sympathies regardless and should she ever decide to become politically active in regards to this war you'll never see me try and attack her as you are Ms. Sheehan.

Please don't attempt to elevate one side or denigrate the other in how they support the troops or families, especially when you don't know who you are talking to.

Funny, but that's exactly what you're doing....denigrating Ms. Sheehan and her supporters for the way she chooses to support the troops.

And you don't know who you're talking to either, I simply have chosen not to use my personal circumstances as a shield for my view.

 

[LoraJ]

That story about the guy in the pickup truck running over the crosses disgusts me.

 

[septbride2002]

Interesting that nobody commented on the message I posted about Bush going to Ft. Bragg to meet with families of fallen soldiers. While on his "vacation" no less.

Interesting indeed.

I've just caught up.

Here is what I've never understood about Bush - while there has been evidence of his great compassion with military families - his actions in public suggest otherwise. Whether it be cutting their health insurance, or continuing to ignore the need for supplies - his actions do not show this compassion for the militiary. Not to mention that whenever he speaks about the War in Iraq he always has this smirk on his face like he it is all a big game to him. So maybe that is why my blood run cold whenever I hear him speak. If he truly is the compassionate man that the story says he is I wish that came off more in the public eye.

Now the fact that Laura is emotionally effected by these meetings - that I believe 100%.

~Amanda

 

[BuckNaked]

Whether it be cutting their health insurance,

Our health insurance hasn't been cut.