Busdriver Attacked By Guest

[LisaCat]

Wow. Just WOW. I wonder if people didn't intervene because they were afraid of harming the baby? I can't view YouTube on this internet connection, but I will check it out later....

 

[suemom2kay]

I can't see the video right now. So, this man THROWS his baby somewhere? What??? Where is his wife at the time? And who filmed this? So interesting, especially since i"m sure what I'm picturing in my head is almost worse than what really happened!

The video on Youtube did not capture the baby being thrown at the bus driver. She started video after, but she states it on her youtube. But, it seems that Disney security has the entire incident on tape and is pressing appropriate charges including assault and child endangerment.

Glad this family has been BANNED cause they so SCARY!!!

Think they'll come on the DIS with a Trip Report????

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I can't see the video right now. So, this man THROWS his baby somewhere? What??? Where is his wife at the time? And who filmed this? So interesting, especially since i"m sure what I'm picturing in my head is almost worse than what really happened!

"the throwing baby" part isn't in the video. The video was taken by two guests who were standing around the bus area but I don't believe they were in the queue.

 

[SSR]

For those who are saying their husbands would have jumped in and "done something," you probably should understand that (a) that's a bad idea; (b) the bus driver does not want you doing that as it would escalate the situation; and (c) the plain clothes security officer apparently didn't see a need to physically intervene. ("Also in the video one of the gentleman on the bus,{I wont identify him} was one of our plain clothes security officers and was in the load zone at the time and witnessed the attack.")

I know it's easy for us guys to play Chuck Norris behind the computer, but the professionals involved in this mess really do not want intervention unless they're in grave danger (e.g. being held down and choked).

[flamesuit on]

 

[SSR]

nevermind...misread...

 

[disneymomma1978]

Am I the only one kinda surprised, with so many men standing around, no one stepped up and broke them up? There's that one man in the white, but I think he's with the strangler.

I just am thinking of my own husband, and 19 y/o. I feel like they would have stepped in. I mean, the guy was being strangled...it wasn't just a shouting match.

This is what I was thinking, my DH would not have sat or stood by while this happened.

 

[ZeroMyHero]

The video posted on Youtube doesn't start until after the worst of it is over - the baby-throwing wasn't filmed by the guest who posted the video there. But the security camera at the bus stop and plain-clothes security guard on the bus saw the whole thing. I hope every charge sticks.

 

[disneymomma1978]

For those who are saying their husbands would have jumped in and "done something," you probably should understand that (a) that's a bad idea; (b) the bus driver does not want you doing that as it would escalate the situation; and (c) the plain clothes security officer apparently didn't see a need to physically intervene. ("Also in the video one of the gentleman on the bus,{I wont identify him} was one of our plain clothes security officers and was in the load zone at the time and witnessed the attack.")

I know it's easy for us guys to play Chuck Norris behind the computer, but the professionals involved in this mess really do not want intervention unless they're in grave danger (e.g. being held down and choked).

[flamesuit on]

No flamesuit needed, that man put his hands around the bus driver's neck -- isn't that attempting to choke him??

 

[CathrynRose]

For those who are saying their husbands would have jumped in and "done something," you probably should understand that (a) that's a bad idea; (b) the bus driver does not want you doing that as it would escalate the situation; and (c) the plain clothes security officer apparently didn't see a need to physically intervene. ("Also in the video one of the gentleman on the bus,{I wont identify him} was one of our plain clothes security officers and was in the load zone at the time and witnessed the attack.")

I know it's easy for us guys to play Chuck Norris behind the computer, but the professionals involved in this mess really do not want intervention unless they're in grave danger (e.g. being held down and choked).

[flamesuit on]

You're probably right, however what I said was this:

Am I the only one kinda surprised, with so many men standing around, no one stepped up and broke them up? There's that one man in the white, but I think he's with the strangler.

I just am thinking of my own husband, and 19 y/o. I feel like they would have stepped in. I mean, the guy was being strangled...it wasn't just a shouting match.

I didn't say they should - I said I felt they would have. And I was kind of surprised no one did. Even the simple 'hand on both of their chests / separate them' move - KWIM?

Heck - the one kid outside the bus had a Jedi Light Sabre, for crien out loud! Why didn't he use it?

 

[SSR]

No flamesuit needed, that man put his hands around the bus driver's neck -- isn't that attempting to choke him??

For a fleeting moment, yes, he had his hands around his neck. But, you also have to assess the entire situation and do a risk assessment:

1. the bus driver was physically capable of holding his own
2. the area was crowded, thus if the situation escalated, the driver knew that help was feet away

All I'm saying is that if Mr. Norris came in and got involved, the situation would have gotten uglier. That is NOT what Disney or its security wants to happen unless the bus driver is in immediate, grave danger. The 2 seconds where the hands are on his throat are just that - 2 seconds. That driver professionally and adroitly removed the guys' hands without escalating the situation. He responded perfectly from a crisis management perspective (defuse, do not escalate).

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Something has happened to our society that this is becoming more and more frequent. I don't know if it's the advent of anonymity over the Internet that has caused our society to become less polite, or what. It's really kind of scary.

 

[disneyfav4ever]

"the throwing baby" part isn't in the video. The video was taken by two guests who were standing around the bus area but I don't believe they were in the queue.

I think they were in line after them.

Also at the begining of the video, it looks like the driver is showing them the yellow line guests have to be behind while standing. If someone had just thrown their baby at me, I would not be calm enough to do that. It's amazing what Disney employees have to put up with, but this is one of the worst things I've seen.

 

[bytheblood]

The bus drivers put up with abuse from guests all of the time, but this one takes the cake.

 

[wtccheermom]

For those who are saying their husbands would have jumped in and "done something," you probably should understand that (a) that's a bad idea; (b) the bus driver does not want you doing that as it would escalate the situation; and (c) the plain clothes security officer apparently didn't see a need to physically intervene. ("Also in the video one of the gentleman on the bus,{I wont identify him} was one of our plain clothes security officers and was in the load zone at the time and witnessed the attack.")

I know it's easy for us guys to play Chuck Norris behind the computer, but the professionals involved in this mess really do not want intervention unless they're in grave danger (e.g. being held down and choked).

[flamesuit on]

I am not sure how one man helping another man from being chocked by a nut job is causing more harm. I also do not think your Chuck Norris comment is appropriate because no one said they would start a brawl with the nut job but just offer assistance to the bus driver. I know in my case my husband is not some big giant meat head who goes around looking for fights but he certainly would not sit there and watch another man be chocked or attacked by a lunatic.

 

[famsen]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing I know my husband would have defintley stepped in and offered the bus driver some help!!

I thought the same thing and honestly if I was at the front of that bus, I would have stepped in and I am a 5'3, 41 year old woman (but I'm feisty.)

 

[MickeyMomOfThree]

For those who are saying their husbands would have jumped in and "done something," you probably should understand that (a) that's a bad idea; (b) the bus driver does not want you doing that as it would escalate the situation; and (c) the plain clothes security officer apparently didn't see a need to physically intervene. ("Also in the video one of the gentleman on the bus,{I wont identify him} was one of our plain clothes security officers and was in the load zone at the time and witnessed the attack.")

I know it's easy for us guys to play Chuck Norris behind the computer, but the professionals involved in this mess really do not want intervention unless they're in grave danger (e.g. being held down and choked).

[flamesuit on]

No flamesuit needed, I am just stating what I know my DH would have done. Not that it would have been wanted or appreciated, but instinct kicks in and takes over. Plus, the plain clothed officers wouldn't have been apparent to anyone around. So while he would have backed off once he did know, he still would have stepped in since he didn't know.

 

[TenderDonkey]

For a fleeting moment, yes, he had his hands around his neck. But, you also have to assess the entire situation and do a risk assessment:

1. the bus driver was physically capable of holding his own
2. the area was crowded, thus if the situation escalated, the driver knew that help was feet away

All I'm saying is that if Mr. Norris came in and got involved, the situation would have gotten uglier. That is NOT what Disney or its security wants to happen unless the bus driver is in immediate, grave danger. The 2 seconds where the hands are on his throat are just that - 2 seconds. That driver professionally and adroitly removed the guys' hands without escalating the situation. He responded perfectly from a crisis management perspective (defuse, do not escalate).

Agreed. The bus driver responded well. I however am not an employee of Disney and that guy looks like a huge D-Bag. I normally do not intervene when two guys are going at it. I would have in this case because
a) he is screaming and that would scare my kids
b) he just held that bus up

 

[CathrynRose]

For a fleeting moment, yes, he had his hands around his neck. But, you also have to assess the entire situation and do a risk assessment:

Again - I just think many of us are *surprised* no one stepped in. That's all. Not if it's right or wrong - just a little surprised.

You may be right - not stepping in is probably a better idea, -however- we are *surprised* no one did. Most heat of the moment incidents, don't have people stepping back, with a notepad, and doing a risk assessment on whether or not today will be the day to be Mr. Norris.

 

[CathrynRose]

Agreed. The bus driver responded well. I however am not an employee of Disney and that guy looks like a huge D-Bag. I normally do not intervene when two guys are going at it. I would have in this case because
a) he is screaming and that would scare my kids
b) he just held that bus up

 

[MickeyMomOfThree]

I am not sure how one man helping another man from being chocked by a nut job is causing more harm. I also do not think your Chuck Norris comment is appropriate because no one said they would start a brawl with the nut job but just offer assistance to the bus driver. I know in my case my husband is not some big giant meat head who goes around looking for fights but he certainly would not sit there and watch another man be chocked or attacked by a lunatic.

Well said, and I agree.