Budget cuts at Walt Disney World

That's an interesting thought about Hong Kong..hadn't really thought about it that way and now that you mention it that does make sense. You're right about Tokyo for sure.

As for distance I was more or less comparing the distance between each location to the other location not really the size of the country where the parks were built. I checked the distance before posting and it's about a 2 hour flight between Shanghai and Hong Kong. It's around a 4 hour flight from Toyko Disneyland to Hong Kong Disneyland if you take a non-stop flight or if you go from Toyko to Shanghai it's around a 2 hours and 40 minutes flight if you take a non-stop flight.

However, it's a 5 1/2 hour flight from DLR to WDW therefore meaning that all three of the above listed destinations are actually closer to each other in distance than DLR and WDW. Also if you consider taking a train between Hong Kong and Shanghai it's less time than traveling by car between DLR and WDW.

Demographics of each location plays a very large role in the location as rteez helped explain to me and maybe citizens of each area are less likely to travel outside that area that they are in (speculation cuz I really have no idea travel statistics of that region).

I just see it as Disney was more or less looking to expand unnecessarily at the time (IMO) to Shanghai (though not suprising at all where more more more locations becomes the mantra) when they could have injected that money into expanding/upgrading/improving their already existing parks both domestically and internationally which would have allowed a greater control over the finances with the everchanging economy.

Well from what I understand Hong Kong is very different demographically and culturally (due to its history) to Shanghai. There may not be much overlap between those two.

I don't know much of anything about Chinese internal travel patterns, but it's certainly the case that not every country hops on and off planes like people in the US do and I have read that train and bus travel is more common in China. Which would substantially increase the travel time.

I wonder if it's not just the way people travel, but if it's partly are they able/allowed to travel. I don't know, since I am not from China and have not lived there. However, Hong Kong has kind of been run separately, I thought, so maybe the government doesn't really allow mainlanders to travel to HK indiscriminately. Japan may really be out of the question in that case. Also, Japan may require Visas for Chinese nationals, which could be hard to come by. Being Americans, we don't always think about how many hoops others have to go through to travel. It's so easy for us compared to many. There's also just the cost of travel. I suspect more mainland Chinese could, maybe not now, afford to go to Shanghai but not HK or Tokyo.
 
I wonder if it's not just the way people travel, but if it's partly are they able/allowed to travel. I don't know, since I am not from China and have not lived there. However, Hong Kong has kind of been run separately, I thought, so maybe the government doesn't really allow mainlanders to travel to HK indiscriminately. Japan may really be out of the question in that case. Also, Japan may require Visas for Chinese nationals, which could be hard to come by. Being Americans, we don't always think about how many hoops others have to go through to travel. It's so easy for us compared to many. There's also just the cost of travel. I suspect more mainland Chinese could, maybe not now, afford to go to Shanghai but not HK or Tokyo.

It's been explained to me before, and I am going to highly paraphrase and probably butcher the explanation a bit (I had a friend who worked at HKDL for a year about 8 years ago, so this is from her)

Mainlanders were able to get a short travel visa that allowed them to cross the border. I don't believe it was too hard of a process back then. With the recent tensions I think that has been causing problems. the HKDL customer base was also very similar to DLR - lots of repeat visitors rather than a bunch of one-time visitors. She had some interesting stories about the locals from her time there.

Shanghai alone has a population of 24 million (compared to the 7 million of Hong Kong), and the 3-hour drive radius population is much larger. I'm sure the fact that obtaining a visa will no longer be necessary is a huge selling point for locals
 
Being Americans, we don't always think about how many hoops others have to go through to travel. It's so easy for us compared to many.

True true but I don't think it's just Americans who don't think about how others have to travel. I think it's a general thing when you travel mostly regional regardless of your nationality. A person who travels but mostly in the area surrounding where they live is going to be less likely to know what others have to go through to travel elsewhere. As an example I kinda think about how people who live up north in the U.S. who might travel more frequently to Canada because it's close will know much more about traveling across the borders and exactly what they need to have and do to in order to be able to cross the border than someone like me who lives in the middle of the U.S. and travels mostly to the North East when on vacation.

I will say that our ability to travel to other countries is def.not as constricted as other countries, although that could be said to be largely political in nature (though I'm not going there in regards to politics), which was a good point you brought up and something to remember :)
 
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As I understand it - the Hong Kong development is still not a resounding success. Very "euro" in its operational history...

But remember Hong Kong is the London Of the east. A "western outpost". They also were attempting to cast the net to Seoul, Macau, perhaps the phillipines...maybe some secondary business from Japan....

Shanghai is gonna be interesting. I think Disney is very worried. And I don't believe they feel it's gonna go well. The entire project was based on projections of a "growing" economy that simply isn't there...

It's possible that they get "good attendance" but based only on sheer numbers and not revenue.
It ain't Japan.

My feeling is that this is gonna be another euro...there...but not very effective.

Disney is a global brand...no doubt, but perhaps Disney parks should just be a "NATO" thing.
 
I keep hearing about record profits for the Disney Theme Parks division. Surely, the company can dip into these to use for Shanghai as opposed to cutting costs for the other theme parks?

And perhaps, Disney has extended itself way too much. Maybe they should think about slowing their expansion and concentrate on fixing their locations that are currently open.
But that would be too logical, I guess.
 
I keep hearing about record profits for the Disney Theme Parks division. Surely, the company can dip into these to use for Shanghai as opposed to cutting costs for the other theme parks?

That's not how it works...

Public companies all run the same: you dump the "profits" back to the investors - one way or another - and make up budget shortfalls by cannibalizing the products internally.

Disney is no different...might be worse than most in this regard.
 
That everything WDI does goes over budget? I already knew that.

True...but dig deeper.

The inmates have been running the asylum at AK since day 1...and that is why the park is inferior to what it could be (no..."I love dak!!!", please...that's not what I'm saying)

And they let two inmates run the asylum this time.

This was the danger from DAY 1 on this...that they were always gonna blow through cash and since its is NOT great IP that will move product - like Star Wars - it's never gonna sit well with corporate and dak May never get another dime.

So instead of a "half day" park...50%...we may be stuck with 65
forever.

And I don't want that...nor should anybody.
 
I keep hearing about record profits for the Disney Theme Parks division. Surely, the company can dip into these to use for Shanghai as opposed to cutting costs for the other theme parks?

And perhaps, Disney has extended itself way too much. Maybe they should think about slowing their expansion and concentrate on fixing their locations that are currently open.
But that would be too logical, I guess.

They could actually and they really aren't overextended at all. In fact their CAPEX is pretty modest when compared to their revenue.

Again, and I know I sound like a broken record, it's all about the shareholders not the actual financial health of the company.
 
True...but dig deeper.

The inmates have been running the asylum at AK since day 1...and that is why the park is inferior to what it could be (no..."I love dak!!!", please...that's not what I'm saying)

And they let two inmates run the asylum this time.

This was the danger from DAY 1 on this...that they were always gonna blow through cash and since its is NOT great IP that will move product - like Star Wars - it's never gonna sit well with corporate and dak May never get another dime.

So instead of a "half day" park...50%...we may be stuck with 65
forever.

And I don't want that...nor should anybody.
This isn't a Joe Rohde problem I'm sorry this is a WDI problem as a whole. When things like the little mermaid ride on new fantasyland cost $100 million or MyMagic+ costs over 2 billion there are problems. I know you don't like Joe but this is much bigger than him.

I'm also in disagreement that AK is a half day park right now. I can spend a full day there. And with the new additions it will be even better.
 
This isn't a Joe Rohde problem I'm sorry this is a WDI problem as a whole. When things like the little mermaid ride on new fantasyland cost $100 million or MyMagic+ costs over 2 billion there are problems. I know you don't like Joe but this is much bigger than him.

I'm also in disagreement that AK is a half day park right now. I can spend a full day there. And with the new additions it will be even better.

Guys, WDW, even with recent budget overruns, it NO WHERE near financial red.

Cuts being made domestically are a response to the projected shortfall of parks overseas (China, Paris).

I mean budget overruns may attribute somewhat, but those are controllable to a point. What's not controllable is a free-falling Chinese economy.
 
Guys, WDW, even with recent budget overruns, it NO WHERE near financial red.

Cuts being made domestically are a response to the projected shortfall of parks overseas (China, Paris).

I mean budget overruns may attribute somewhat, but those are controllable to a point. What's not controllable is a free-falling Chinese economy.
Yes we know WDW isn't in the red but WDW falls under parks and resorts division which gets the affects of all the other parks like Paris and China.
 
Guys, WDW, even with recent budget overruns, it NO WHERE near financial red.

Cuts being made domestically are a response to the projected shortfall of parks overseas (China, Paris).

I mean budget overruns may attribute somewhat, but those are controllable to a point. What's not controllable is a free-falling Chinese economy.

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Course not...it is and always will be the biggest cash cow.

And unfortunately that's the problem...because when times are rough or some other park desperately needs capital...guess who gets tied off first?
 
This isn't a Joe Rohde problem I'm sorry this is a WDI problem as a whole. When things like the little mermaid ride on new fantasyland cost $100 million or MyMagic+ costs over 2 billion there are problems. I know you don't like Joe but this is much bigger than him.

I'm also in disagreement that AK is a half day park right now. I can spend a full day there. And with the new additions it will be even better.

An army is lead by the guys at the head of the column.

The cooks in the back are guilty as well...but it's all relative.
 
I'm also in disagreement that AK is a half day park right now. I can spend a full day there. And with the new additions it will be even better.

Hehe, I definitely agree with this. We spent two days (5 hours each day) at AK, and didn't even come close to see/doing it all, easily could have gone back for a third. We're very excited about the changes coming. While at first I wasn't a fan of the Avatarland expansion, I mean... I really would have preferred they kept it with something "real"... I do realize that it is still going to be neat, and there'll be stuff to enjoy.
 
It doesn't matter what any individual thinks about animal Kingdom standpoint...

If you're attempting to gauge how they look at it from an operational standpoint and how to get future additions/investments...which is the whole point of us talking about these things...then it doesn't matter.

The Pattern has always been that the park empties...so the majority wins.

Gotta stop with this romantic notion about why that park is open...to attempt to make direct or secondary money on property- nothing else.
 
It doesn't matter what any individual thinks about animal Kingdom standpoint...

If you're attempting to gauge how they look at it from an operational standpoint and how to get future additions/investments...which is the whole point of us talking about these things...then it doesn't matter.

The Pattern has always been that the park empties...so the majority wins.

Gotta stop with this romantic notion about why that park is open...to attempt to make direct or secondary money on property- nothing else.
And I think that will change with avatar and rivers of light.
 







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