Brazilian Teenagers????

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Uncleromulus said:
Disneyaggie:
I can just see Disney security trying to boot 6 or 7 hundred Brazilians out of the parks--
Never happen!!
Big International incident!!!
Headlines screaming how Disney hates Brazil!!!!

You don't boot them all out. You handle it on an incident basis. If a small group is acting up you handle that group. They can get the group leaders name or something. I think if a couple of groups are removed, the word would quickly get out. I know when I have seen them, they room in small packs to large groups, divide and conquer...smjj
 
I can't imagine Disney security doing anything even with a "small group". Word would spread like wildfire, Brazil would threaten to leave the UN, the Brazil groups would then complain (loudly) that if Disney dosen't want their business they'll go elsewhere. The Orlando newspapers would manage to find the most meek and innocent-looking Brazilian girl they could find and publish her picture (sobbing bitterly, of course)after the big bad uniformed Disney security "thugs" hauled her out of the park.
No--Disney dosen't want that sort of publicity. Besides, they've long known how these groups act and their effect on others. They WANT the business. Simple as that.
 
SleepingUgly said:
It is interesting how so many people jump on the bandwagon to bash people from another country/culture, but when others expressed concern about going to WDW during Gay Days, those individuals are deemed to be close-minded. I see no difference -- it's still stereotyping, and completely unfortunate.

That is a really unfair comparison. I've read this whole thread, and I haven't seen one incident of bashing Brazilians based on culture or nationality. I've seen a lot of people sharing their experiences with a very specific subset of people, who happen to be from Brazil. If they happened to be from another country, then this thread would be titled Canadian Teenagers, or Mexican Teenagers, or whatever. The point is that as a whole, this particular group behaves in an extremely rude, obnoxious, and mean-spirited way. How can you begin to compare the Gay Days people to that?? Yes, they are a large group, and yes, if you want to avoid crowds you might want to avoid Gay Days, but as a whole, Gay Days participants do not push little kids around, run people over, trash their hotels, or scream so loudly that you cannot hear the dialogue in a ride.

I agree that there is plenty of rudeness going on all over the world, perpetrated by people of all cultures and backgrounds. But as it specifically relates to Disney, I can honestly say that in my experience, it is only the Brazilian teen groups that be counted on, year in and year out, to come to WDW in enormous numbers and cause grief for large numbers of other guests. You may encounter a specific group of kids from wherever on a specific trip to WDW, and you may have a problem with them, but they won't be back on your next trip, and your next, and your next.

That being said, I highly doubt that the groups are ever going to disappear. Whether Disney advertises in Brazil or not, it's become a cultural rite of passage, and the country is not just going to "forget" that they send their teens to WDW every year. And Disney can't quit booking their tours. They pay their money, just like any other tour group, and therefore have the right to visit. It really would be an international incident, and something that could cost Disney a LOT of money in lawsuits.

The CMs really do try to do what they can. They know all about the Brazilian teen groups. When I was a CM, we used to hold brainstorming meetings to try to make plans on how to handle them. They don't want the kids to ruin your vacation, they don't want them to ruin their own day for that matter. But a CM is generally doing multiple things at the same time, and doesn't have eyes in the back of his/her head. They don't have the time or ability to babysit on top of their other duties. By all means, if something specific happens to you or your family, find a CM and report it. But try to understand that CMs are people too, and they are just as overwhelmed and at a loss as you are in trying to deal with the teenage hordes.

Just try to have extra patience, a good sense of humor, and an ability to run the other way if you see them coming. They're likely to be part of Disney life for many years to come.
 
Wne you single out a group of people based on characteristics displayed by a select few, that is stereotyping. I highly doubt that every Brazilian group of teenagers is rude and inconsiderate. But that's the impression one gets from reading this thread. One poster even complained that a group of teen girls were screaming too loudly on one ride. Why would this complaint have anything to do with the fact that they are Brazilian??? The Brazilian youngsters who do behave well (and yes, maybe I'm naive, but I'm sure there are some) do not get mentioned, and instead, they get lumped in with the bad apples. THAT is stereotyping, if anything.

Again, as I said, any sort of stereotyping is unfortunate. But it's a fact of life, I guess ...
 

SleepingUgly said:
I guess this is why I try to disassociate myself from "ugly American" tourists when I travel abroad: Women who walk around town with only bikini tops on because they think they are in an "uncivilized" country where no one would care and would actually bow to them because they are Americans; college kids who go to Italy or Portugal and speak Spanish to the locals; older Americans who shout English to locals, thinking that if they talk loudly and slowlyl then someone should understand them; and just people in general who are disgusted with the fact that not everyone speaks English and why stores in other countries don't list prices in US dollars.

For some reason, people act differently when they travel abroad. And because they are foreigners, they stand out more. The Europeans complain all the time about Asian tourists -- ie, the lack of respect they show in their churches and cathedrals -- but having traveled there numerous times, I've noticed that there are rude people from ALL cultures and countries (yes, including a large number of Americans). The ones who are different from the locals just tend to stand out more.

It is interesting how so many people jump on the bandwagon to bash people from another country/culture, but when others expressed concern about going to WDW during Gay Days, those individuals are deemed to be close-minded. I see no difference -- it's still stereotyping, and completely unfortunate.

Hmmm . . . I have traveled abroad a great deal of the time and, call me odd, but I am extremely respectful in other countries. I would never dream of taking the opportunity to travel just to use that as an excuse to be rude. And yes, I have traveled abroad for most of my life, during all age spans, and the same applied no matter what age I was. I behaved appropriately and went out of my way to make America proud.

I really don't think that this is a "bash the Brazillian" chance. I don't care if these teens were green and wore antlers! When they are known (like "rude Americans") for their behavior, it is definitely for a reason! They fit the mold!

And I will also be the first to add that even when I have encountered some of our very own rude American teens, I have promptly let them know their behavior is not condoned, nor do they appear "cool". Kind of puts them in their place when it comes from a stranger! ;)
 
ralfrick said:
O fim da linha é esse meio.

According to http://www.freetranslation.com/ this is Portuguese for "The end of the line is that way."

Cheers.

OMGoodness, that is hilarious! :rotfl: Where I live, in RI, there are many Portuguese people...I think I will ask someone to give me a few private lessons in the language before our next "Brazilian Encounter" trip! :cheer2:
 
A year or so ago someone posted that 'These teenagers are taught that anyone who works for a living that is Cm or clerks are 'beneath them and do not deserve respect'' . I don't know if this is correct but these kids come from very rich and privledged lives and probably in their mind 'we are servers' therefore are not important to them. I too have have done much traveling around the world- Europe and the Far East and I don't think I have ever seen any group of tourist, teenagers or not that behave like these kids with such a disrespect for everyone around them.
 
I don't think it's necessarily only Brazilian groups that act up, I think it's ANY large group of teens that don't have enough supervision...because I've seen all kinds of groups acting up (not just in WDW, but in any tourist attraction). For some reason, traveling makes people lose manners. And the more spoiled they are, the more obnoxious they tend to be. Too few adults supervising...and too many adults in the same group who simply let it slide. It's sad to watch.

There's only one time I had a real run in with someone part of a group like this. My husband and I were in the hot tub at CSR (he had his glasses off so he could barely see...most everything was blurry). Anyway, this one girl in this ridiculously skimpy bikini starts walking towards my husband...stops literally a foot in front of him and starts coming out of the water and shaking her hair around in this almost obscene way...any idiot would know she was making a pass at him. I looked her square in the eye and VERY firmly said that she could get away from my husband any time. She turned beat red and headed out. My husband could barely even make out her face, his eyesight was that bad (especially with the steam of the tub). It made him feel very uncomfortable. Most men would probably love it, but he honestly didn't like it. He's just not that type of person (if you knew him, you'd understand why). THAT ticked me off. There was absolutely no care or concern that his wife sat right next to him (it's not like you couldn't tell we were together). The only other time I spoke up like that was when were in a quiet pool at CBR and there were a bunch of young children playing in it and a young couple were in the pool all over each other. It wasn't just kissing here and there, it was pretty obscene. I'm no prude, but it was ridiculous. After several minutes of this, I finally said "there are children here!!" They finally pried themselves off each other to see the children and headed back to their room.
 
J/T Gramdma said:
A year or so ago someone posted that 'These teenagers are taught that anyone who works for a living that is Cm or clerks are 'beneath them and do not deserve respect'' . I don't know if this is correct but these kids come from very rich and privledged lives and probably in their mind 'we are servers' therefore are not important to them.
I am Bolivian (South America) and I've noticed this kind of attitude on class is very common. Obviously not every single last person has this same attitude, but it's not uncommon to find.
 
I, too, have to agree that large groups of teens, perhaps particularly those with teens unfamiliar with the culture they are visiting, need EXTRA (not less) supervision, especially in a place like WDW.

My DH, his colleague, and I took a group of college kids (mostly 18-20 years of age) to Europe this past year. Even though this was an especially bright group and even though they had a fair amount of "coaching" before we left home about what's OK and what's not, we did not completely cut them loose. There were times where we "supervised" what might have been otherwise unruly American teens. A teen's judgment just isn't mature and we knew that. As a result, the trip went very well.

I know that I've encountered several groups of teens with poor manners (and many with good manners); a larger than expected percentage were or appeared to be Brazilian. Their behavior, at times, completely shocked me. I DON'T believe these teens reflect Brazilian culture, as a whole. Instead, I (like others here) get the impression that these are spoiled children who have not been taught to think of others first and that, even if they were inclined to be polite normally, they did not understand or appreciate some real cultural differences between home and the U.S. They needed adults around to guide them.

Just my 2cw.

Took
 
SleepingUgly said:
Wne you single out a group of people based on characteristics displayed by a select few, that is stereotyping. I highly doubt that every Brazilian group of teenagers is rude and inconsiderate. But that's the impression one gets from reading this thread. One poster even complained that a group of teen girls were screaming too loudly on one ride. Why would this complaint have anything to do with the fact that they are Brazilian??? The Brazilian youngsters who do behave well (and yes, maybe I'm naive, but I'm sure there are some) do not get mentioned, and instead, they get lumped in with the bad apples. THAT is stereotyping, if anything.

Again, as I said, any sort of stereotyping is unfortunate. But it's a fact of life, I guess ...

We're not doing that.

We are not bashing Brazillians.

We are not bashing teens.

We are not bashing tour groups.

We are not even bashing Brazillian teen tour groups.

We are bashing RUDE people. Some Brazillian teen tour groups have rude people in them. In fact, a lot of Brazillian teen tour groups have rude people in them, maybe even most.

But not all Brazillian teen tour groups have rude people in them - we know that. And not all Brazillians are rude, and not all teens are rude, and not all tour groups are rude. We know all that.

We're just complaining about the rude people, especially when they happen to travel in packs and use sheer numbers and brute force to barge thier way through the parks.
 
It's so funny that I found this post today. Just yesterday I was asking my sister if she remembered encountering these groups the very first time we went to WDW in 1986. She was only 6 so she didn't really remember, but I remember CLEARLY!! We saw the "orange group" all week...they were even at Wet N Wild the day we were there!! We've been several more times in the summer and never ran into that again!
 
I have witnessed the groups and it isn't pretty. But if you have ever had the unfortunate opportunity to be in any area where there is a large population of "spring breakers" (Ft Lauderdale, Dayton, Cancun) you are not too far off from the Brazilian experience. The sad thing is, that behavior is not appropriate in a family environment such as WDW.
 
WillCAD said:
And not all Brazillians are rude, and not all teens are rude, and not all tour groups are rude. We know all that.

But are all Brazilians teens? Or are all tour groups Brazilian? Or are all Brazilian teens in tour groups? :confused3

Sorry, just had to interject a bit of levity here :banana:

But yes, you're making the exact point that I was going for. It just so happens that, as a whole, the Brazilian teen tour groups tend to be rude and obnoxious, and as a whole, the other tour groups tend to be less so. If you look at individual members of Brazilian teen groups, you will certainly find some that are not rude. Likewise, if you look at individual members of any other group, you will certainly find that some are rude. It's the whole picture that is important to this discussion though.

Potentially good news. I talked to a friend tonight whose roommate has been a CM for 15 years. He said that Disney is now limiting the number of tour groups that can be in the parks at any one time. So it looks like they are trying to address the situation, and maybe if the numbers are down, the groups will be easier to avoid.
 
Wow. I am completely shocked. I am so sorry that so many have had a damper put on their vacation due to these rude groups of teens. But, I have to say, they do not represent the entire culture (not that anyone was suggesting that.) But, one of my best friend's husband is Brazilian. He is probably the nicest, kindest, quietest person I have ever met. I am sure he would die to know these teens are representing his country in such a shameful way. However, he is from humble beginings. Maybe that is the key. The spoiled, rich, unsupervised teen. Not the culture. As others have said, imagine a group of trust fund American kids being allowed to tour another country in a large group of their peers at just 15 years old. Chaos, I'm sure. I know I wouldn't want to have a room next to them.
 
I hate to jinx our next couple of trips, but either we are scheduling our WDW trips better or the Brazilian tour group count is down! Either way, we are enjoying our vacations more without having to deal with the rude behavior of packs of undisciplines and mostly unchaperoned teenagers. In any case I don't miss the chaos that went with having them around.
 
n2mm said:
My suggestion is to avoid the value resorts. We have experienced this event. We were at the All Stars in July 2001 and so where the kids (no more values in the summer for us).

We encountered the groups at All Star Movies in July 2003. Luckily for us, their rooms were nowhere near us (we were in Toy Story section - they headed towards Love Bug/Mighty Ducks section when they got off the buses). Said we would avoid July in future, but it is the only time we can go with DD this year - can't take her out of school - exam year. Hope that POP Century still doesn't allow group bookings and therefore no large groups of Brazilians.

BTW, went to Disneyland Paris and large groups of French teens were just as bad - cutting in line etc etc.
 
The Brazillion Tour Groups are the reason we stopped going to Disney World in the summer. They are awful tour groups. I have seen them litterly plow down little kids & adults alike. Some little kids have gotten seriously hurt & the tour groups dont even stop, let alone care.

I'm with you, mate - that's why my mother and I have Seasonal Passes! The block-out dates coincide with peak seasons anyway! :)
 
Talfonso, you win the Most Obvious Troll Award.

4 years? I mean, seriously.
 
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