bottled, cold * GREEN TEA * what do you recommend?

[In a hurry]

Well, Dr. Weil seems unconcerned http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA22857/

 

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

I like Tazo green tea. It has a little minty kick to it. Very nice.

(I am going to die anyway. It's a curse us mortals face. )

 

[curiouser]

WOW,

Like I had said in my original post, "flame me if you want"

Sure enough, I pop back in to find all of this.

I just KNEW that by sharing some valid information. Including the latest by the United States EPA, that I would be attacked.

And, Hhhhmmmm? I am the one being critical and flaming others???

So you're going to tell us to flame you and then whine about being flamed?

If you can't stand the eat, don't boil the water for your tea!!

 

[sha_lyn]

Wishing on a star...... so are you going to at least answer my question?
How much green tea per day was consumed by those people you know that you claim suffered from problems related to fluoride and aluminum?

 

[AnaheimGirl]

Ooh! I have to find some diet Arizona Green Tea! I like regular Arizona better than Lipton, but usually buy Diet Lipton, because I try to never drink calories.

Why doesn't my grocery store sell Diet Arizona? ...and why can't I find a little pouty, stomping foot smilie?

 

[disneymom3]

Okay, I am all for sharing information.... It was the "I don't care about Ancient History" comment that got me. I am sorry but centuries beyond centuries of a culture is what we are talking about here with medical and health knowledge that can easily be seen as superior to our own. How can one not care about that?

A friend of mine practically lives on some that I was thinking was called Sola. It might be Tazo, but I could swear it starts with an S.

 

[Planogirl]

WOW,

Like I had said in my original post, "flame me if you want"

Sure enough, I pop back in to find all of this.

I just KNEW that by sharing some valid information. Including the latest by the United States EPA, that I would be attacked.

And, Hhhhmmmm? I am the one being critical and flaming others???

I would love to read about this myself. Do you have any links showing the dangers of green tea? I'm having trouble finding any info. Does black tea also have this effect? And what are the effects exactly?

I drink a LOT of tea of all kinds and I'm curious about this.

As for the best brand, yes Arizona is best unless you brew your own.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Planogirl,

as I had posted in my first message here,
green tea has very very high levels of fluoride.
Black tea has slightly lower levels.

Both have several times over the limit that is considered safe in our drinking water. This is all common knowledge. Fluoride is indeed classified as a toxin, and therefore can be studied and regulated by the EPA. To drink tea which has been brewed with fluoridated water does indeed have many times over the legal limit.

That is the simple and undeniable fact.
Tea has well over the legal limit of a regulated toxin. A persons 'opinion' does nothing to change this.

With this in mind, the independent commission put together by the EPA has just yesterday issued their report, in which it states that they unanimously agree that they recommend lowering the levels of fluoride that is allowed in drinking water. The EPA, some years ago, demanded and insured that they received NON-flouridated water in their own building.

Our knowledge of fluoride is based on flawed studies from nearly half century ago. This is the acknowledged reason for the EPA revisiting this issue.

Flouride alone is widely known to have detrimental affects on the Thyroid. This is also a given.

But, it goes much further than that. The problem is the not so widely known and studied affects of aluminum and fluoride together. Fluoride and aluminum together form aluminum/fluoride compounds that are readily absorbed into every living cell. These easily pass thru the blood brain barrier.

There is a big difference in drinking large quantities of tea, which has been brewed with fluoridated water, and the occasional 3-4 oz. cup of tea which was brewed with non-fluoridated water. And, this problem is compounded many times over becuase of the aluminum which is used in most water treatment.

I know somebody personally who was always a huge tea freak. (especially being from the South) Brewed it by the gallon, starting first thing in the morning.

She is now experiencing major health problems. Hashimoto's(Thyroid Disease) is a biggie. And, she has been diagnosed with toxic (yes, toxic) levels of aluminum. (never drank canned sodas or owned aluminum cookware) Aluminum in the brain is a known factor in Alzheimer's disease. Again, this is established fact. No opinion about it.

I will not give any links here. I am not here to change anyones mind. I have already been flamed to death just for presenting the basic info. It is obvious that folks will believe, or not believe, what they want. If anyone is concerned about the possible problems, Yahoo or Google should turn up pages upon pages upon pages.

 

[Planogirl]

I've tried to find this info but I guess that I'm not a very good googler. I just searched the EPA's website too (even though I really don't like the EPA) but maybe it's too new to be posted just yet?

Oh well. I mostly brew my tea anyway so I guess that I'm OK. I wonder why they put so much fluoride and aluminum in tea? Since most tea has a mild taste you would think that large quantities of this stuff would affect the taste.

 

[disneynutt1225]

I couldn't find the information Wishing was posting about either, and I'm pretty google savvy. In fact, what I did find on the EPA's website was a recommendation for where to buy green tea. Seems to me, why would they endorse a product, yet say it's bad for you at the same time.

I'd be happy to view any links with the information you're talking about, Wishing, if you could post some links that would be greatly appreciated.

 

[blowinbubbles]

I'm just a bit confused here. . is flouride naturally-occuring in the green tea itself, or does it come from the water in which it's brewed?

 

[sha_lyn]

If the links truly existed she wouldn't keep refusing to post them on each and every thread that the claims are made on.

 

[sha_lyn]

And, she has been diagnosed with toxic (yes, toxic) levels of aluminum. (never drank canned sodas or owned aluminum cookware) Aluminum in the brain is a known factor in Alzheimer's disease. Again, this is established fact. No opinion about it.

This person never drank canned sodas ever? Wasn't exposed to almuminum cookware as a child? This I find very had to believe. Had their pipes at home checked and the water was not contaminated by levels in the pipes, water heater etc? Their one and only exposure to aluminum in their life was drinking southern iced tea (which BTW is black tea not green tea). Also you say "Brewed it by the gallon, starting first thing in the morning." do you mean she drank gallons of sweet tea a day? I don't think anyone here is talking about drinking gallons of green tea a day.

 

[disneynutt1225]

I don't think anyone here is talking about drinking gallons of green tea a day.

I think we'd be spending an awful lot of time in the bathroom if we drank gallons a day. When would we DIS??

 

[nuke]

I found this about green tea and flouride.



Is it true that green tea contains high levels of fluoride? If so, should it be a concern?

-- Brad Shaw


Answer (Published 01/01/2002)
Top 10 Q&A's:
Click Here to see the 10 most recent Q&A’s to appear on DrWeil.com.



Both green and black tea contain fluoride, although green tea contains twice the amount found in black. However, I wouldn't worry about the fluoride you get from either type of tea because even with green tea, the amount that people drink is unlikely to supply enough fluoride to reach toxic levels. About 50 percent of fluoride (from any source) is deposited in the bone and teeth; the other half is excreted.

In general, I think concerns about fluoride are overblown. I've heard arguments against fluoride ranging from that it may cause bone cancer to the notion that putting fluoride in the water supply is a government plot to destroy our brains. High amounts of fluoride over several years can cause brittle bones, but this is extremely rare. Fluoride is toxic in very large quantities and can cause gastrointestinal symptoms and sometimes even death. But you’d have to ingest about 20,000 times more fluoride than what’s in an 8-ounce glass of fluoridated water to see such an effect.

On the other hand, I believe the evidence advertisement
is overwhelming that fluoride builds and maintains strong, cavity-free teeth. The addition of this mineral to most public water supplies is credited with preventing tooth decay between 40 and 60 percent in both children and adults who live in fluoridated communities. Even seniors who live in these communities have less tooth decay and tooth loss.

A trend that is working against the dental health gains made by adding fluoride to public water supplies is the increased use of bottled water. A rise in cavities among children reported in 1998—after years of decline — may be due to consumption of bottled water, which typically contains minimal levels of fluoride. If your children drink bottled or filtered water, be sure they get supplemental fluoride (ask your dentist to prescribe the proper dosage). If you drink bottled or filtered water, be sure to use a toothpaste containing fluoride. Or, sip more tea—green or black; just hold the sugar.

Related Links

Fluoridation Facts

Dr. Andrew Weil

 

[tiggersmom2]

I found this about green tea and flouride.



Is it true that green tea contains high levels of fluoride? If so, should it be a concern?

-- Brad Shaw


Answer (Published 01/01/2002)
Top 10 Q&A's:
Click Here to see the 10 most recent Q&A’s to appear on DrWeil.com.



Both green and black tea contain fluoride, although green tea contains twice the amount found in black. However, I wouldn't worry about the fluoride you get from either type of tea because even with green tea, the amount that people drink is unlikely to supply enough fluoride to reach toxic levels. About 50 percent of fluoride (from any source) is deposited in the bone and teeth; the other half is excreted.

In general, I think concerns about fluoride are overblown. I've heard arguments against fluoride ranging from that it may cause bone cancer to the notion that putting fluoride in the water supply is a government plot to destroy our brains. High amounts of fluoride over several years can cause brittle bones, but this is extremely rare. Fluoride is toxic in very large quantities and can cause gastrointestinal symptoms and sometimes even death. But you’d have to ingest about 20,000 times more fluoride than what’s in an 8-ounce glass of fluoridated water to see such an effect.

On the other hand, I believe the evidence advertisement
is overwhelming that fluoride builds and maintains strong, cavity-free teeth. The addition of this mineral to most public water supplies is credited with preventing tooth decay between 40 and 60 percent in both children and adults who live in fluoridated communities. Even seniors who live in these communities have less tooth decay and tooth loss.

A trend that is working against the dental health gains made by adding fluoride to public water supplies is the increased use of bottled water. A rise in cavities among children reported in 1998—after years of decline — may be due to consumption of bottled water, which typically contains minimal levels of fluoride. If your children drink bottled or filtered water, be sure they get supplemental fluoride (ask your dentist to prescribe the proper dosage). If you drink bottled or filtered water, be sure to use a toothpaste containing fluoride. Or, sip more tea—green or black; just hold the sugar.

Related Links

Fluoridation Facts

Dr. Andrew Weil

Thanks for the link Nuke.....for once we are in agreement. I wasn't even going to look for a link b/c Wishing on a star's comments about Flouride was just so out there and ridiculous. I am a dental hygienist and do continuing education on the benefits of flouride yearly.....it has been a huge asset to the health of people's teeth.

 

[TLHB70]

Ooh! I have to find some diet Arizona Green Tea! I like regular Arizona better than Lipton, but usually buy Diet Lipton, because I try to never drink calories.

Why doesn't my grocery store sell Diet Arizona? ...and why can't I find a little pouty, stomping foot smilie?

Do you have a Walmart Superstore near you? They should sell them. We don't have a Superstore too close to us, but the last time we went to one, they sold it. Plus it was cheaper there than the grocery store.

 

[CheshireVal]

I will not give any links here. I am not here to change anyones mind. I have already been flamed to death just for presenting the basic info. It is obvious that folks will believe, or not believe, what they want. If anyone is concerned about the possible problems, Yahoo or Google should turn up pages upon pages upon pages.

By refusing to post evidence beyond your own "because I say so," you've completely undermined your whole argument.

If you weren't here to change someone's mind, why bother posting a warning about green tea/fluoride at all?

I *did* google it, and couldn't find any information. That's why a specific link would be really helpful.

I can only assume now that you never really had any proof and were just projecting a strange and completely speculative slippery slope argument into this thread just to stir the pot.

 

[bananiem]

By refusing to post evidence beyond your own "because I say so," you've completely undermined your whole argument.

If you weren't here to change someone's mind, why bother posting a warning about green tea/fluoride at all?

I *did* google it, and couldn't find any information. That's why a specific link would be really helpful.

I can only assume now that you never really had any proof and were just projecting a strange and completely speculative slippery slope argument into this thread just to stir the pot.

Exactly! I'm more than willing to read all the FACTS but I need more than just one person's opinion.

 

[In a hurry]

Exactly! I'm more than willing to read all the FACTS but I need more than just one person's opinion.

Exactly! I am more than willing to enrich my knowledge, and even admit I am wrong. But I could not find any EPA report, etc., that substantiated the claim.

I think people hear a tidbit of info that might or might not be accurate, and run with it. That whole conspiracy feeling.