Born Again Christians Thread-No Bashing please

[LukenDC]

Can't prove you wrong, I'm afraid.

The usual theory attached to Jesus (mainly by agnostics and atheists) is that He was a schizophrenic suffering from delusions and hallucinations. However, this theory runs into the brick wall of miracles performed by Him.

I'm an atheist and while I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, I do believe that he existed and is one of the world's most important philosophers. I have also never thought of him as mentally ill. That is one thought that never crossed my mind.

 

[LukenDC]

He would have never acquired Jewish followers had he been gay, much less 12 of them. .

I can absolutely assure you that there were many homosexuals in Jesus' day, FAR more than 12. Homosexuals have been a part of human existence from ancient times to the present.

If Jesus was gay, would it really make a difference? Would it change any of the wonderful things that he said? Would you love him any less?

 

[WDWHound]

I can absolutely assure you that there were many homosexuals in Jesus' day, FAR more than 12. Homosexuals have been a part of human existence from ancient times to the present.

If Jesus was gay, would it really make a difference? Would it change any of the wonderful things that he said? Would you love him any less?

Yes, They're were there gay people then, but they would not have been accepted by the Jews. The book of Leviticus made that real clear. There is no way Jesus could have found 12 Jewish gay men to follow him.

Yes, it would have changed what he said, becuase, as has been pointed out, he spoke out against fornication, which, since gay marriage did not exist in the Jewish community, included homosexual sex by definition.

Would I love him any less? Thats not a valid question becuase the situation is impossible. If Jesus were gay, he would be inconsistant with his own teachings, and therefore not worthy of notice. In short, a gay Jesus would not have been Jesus, so who knows how I would have felt about him.

 

[dcentity2000]

I'm an atheist and while I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, I do believe that he existed and is one of the world's most important philosophers. I have also never thought of him as mentally ill. That is one thought that never crossed my mind.

It's quite an interesting theory. For the record, I do believe that he was the Son of God.

Schizophrenia is usually associated with the following symptoms:

• Delusions, usually of grandeur - Son of God claims
• Audial hallucinations - talking with God
• Visual hallucinations - seeing God (I think?)

However, the theory is somewhat confounded with the large number of historically recorded and corroborated miracles.

To confound the theory further, Jesus appeared to exhibit the opposite of many common schizophrenia symptoms:

• Social withdrawl
• Restlessness
• Agression
• Loss of appetite and/or hygiene
• Depersonalization
• Paranoia

Rich::

 

[LukenDC]

To confound the theory further, Jesus appeared to exhibit the opposite of many common schizophrenia symptoms:

• Social withdrawl
• Restlessness
• Agression
• Loss of appetite and/or hygiene
• Depersonalization
• Paranoia

Rich::

For those reasons listed above, it would be hard to argue that Jesus was a schizophrenic. Schizophrenics have very disjointed thinking and great difficulty in communicating. Jesus would not have been able to develop much of a following had he been schizophrenic.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Yes, They're were there gay people then, but they would not have been accepted by the Jews. The book of Leviticus made that real clear. There is no way Jesus could have found 12 Jewish gay men to follow him.

Yes, it would have changed what he said, becuase, as has been pointed out, he spoke out against fornication, which, since gay marriage did not exist in the Jewish community, included homosexual sex by definition.

Would I love him any less? Thats not a valid question becuase the situation is impossible. If Jesus were gay, he would be inconsistant with his own teachings, and therefore not worthy of notice. In short, a gay Jesus would not have been Jesus, so who knows how I would have felt about him.

Fornication is not a sin under Jewish law

 

[WDWHound]

Fornication is not a sin under Jewish law

Interesting, I did not realize that. I stand corrected. Just out of curiosity, was it a socially accepted practice amongst the Jews at that time?

BTW, I did see your post of your conversation with your friend on Isa and Islam's teachings on the Messiah. Thank you for taking the time to do that. It was very interesting.

 

[JennyMominRI]

QUOTE=WDWHound]Interesting, I did not realize that. I stand corrected. Just out of curiosity, was it a socially accepted practice amongst the Jews at that time?

BTW, I did see your post of your conversation with your rriend on Isa and Islams beliefs on the Messiah. Thank you for taking the time to do that. It was very interesting.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it's socially accepted,just that it is not specifically spoken against in the body of Jewish law. Here are the laws relating to sex. I refuse to even respond to Acrucifer

Forbidden Sexual Relations
Not to indulge in familiarities with relatives, such as kissing, embracing, winking, skipping, which may lead to incest (Lev. 18:6) (CCN110).
Not to commit incest with one's mother (Lev. 18:7) (CCN112). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit sodomy with one's father (Lev. 18:7) (CCN111).
Not to commit incest with one's father's wife (Lev. 18:8) (CCN113). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's sister (Lev. 18:9) (CCN127). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's father's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:11) (CCN128). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's son's daughter (Lev. 18:10) (CCN119) (Note: CC treats this and the next as one commandment; however, Rambam treats them as two). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's daughter's daughter (Lev. 18:10) (CCN119) (Note: CC treats this and the previous as one commandment; however, Rambam treats them as two). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's daughter (this is not explicitly in the Torah but is inferred from other explicit commands that would include it) (CCN120). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's fathers sister (Lev. 18:12) (CCN129). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's mother's sister (Lev. 18:13) (CCN130). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's father's brothers wife (Lev. 18:14) (CCN125). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit sodomy with one's father's brother (Lev. 18:14) (CCN114).
Not to commit incest with one's son's wife (Lev. 18:15) (CCN115). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's brother's wife (Lev. 18:16) (CCN126). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:17) (CCN121). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with the daughter of one's wife's son (Lev. 18:17) (CCN122). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with the daughter of one's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:17) (CCN123). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to commit incest with one's wife's sister (Lev. 18:18) (CCN131). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
Not to have intercourse with a woman, in her menstrual period (Lev. 18:19) (CCN132).
Not to have intercourse with another man's wife (Lev. 18:20) (CCN124).
Not to commit sodomy with a male (Lev. 18:22) (CCN116).
Not to have intercourse with a beast (Lev. 18:23) (CCN117).
That a woman shall not have intercourse with a beast (Lev. 18:23) (CCN118).
Not to castrate the male of any species; neither a man, nor a domestic or wild beast, nor a fowl (Lev. 22:24) (CCN143).

 

[WDWHound]

You cant wink at a relative? Thats another new one for me. I need to go back and review those books again, but they can be so hard to get through. After 500th acceptable technique of sacrifice is outlined, my eyelids begin to droop. I understand that that kind of specificity was needed, but man its hard to read.

If you don't mind though, I am curious if fornication was socially accepted, even if it wasn't considered a sin. The reason I ask is that it clearly wasn't socially accepted by Jesus's time, at least not by him and his followers.

 

[JennyMominRI]

You cant wink at a relative? Thats another new one for me.

If you don't though, I am curious if fornication was socially accepted, even if it wasn't considered a sin. The reason I ask is that it clearly wasn't socially accepted by Jesus's time, at least not by him and his followers.

No,I don't think it was socially acceptable,it just wasn't against Jewish law,as you will note neither is sex between females
The winking ..heeheee..I never noticed that.I would assume that those things are ok ,,Unless they will lead to sin

 

[septbride2002]

hmm. that makes sense. most of the sex offenders I arrest have jewish surnames, particularly the pedophiles.

oh. my. God.
Well it all makes complete sense now why you would not want to discuss things with individuals whose ideas differ from yourself. Obviously you are a bigot. I'll pray for you.

~Amanda

 

[JoyG]

hmm. that makes sense. most of the sex offenders I arrest have jewish surnames, particularly the pedophiles.

You are ruining your testimony.

 

[phillybeth]

hmm. that makes sense. most of the sex offenders I arrest have jewish surnames, particularly the pedophiles.

Really? That's fascinating. Since I don't think I've helped to convict ONE person with a jewish surname of child abuse or child sexual assault (and I mean convict in the legal sense, not the BAC sense). Then again, what is a jewish surname?

 

[kaylie&laurensmom]

Not all Christians have the same views as acrucifier. I for one do not hate any group of people at all. NOT ONE of us is without sin. I will pray for everyone's salvation, that they will accept Jesus, ask forgiveness for their sins, and have everlasting life.

I stated simply on the "Godless Heathens" thread that Jesus loves them and they will be in my prayers and I was attacked. Apparantly, the Word of God offends many people.

 

[bajanswife]

I stated simply on the "Godless Heathens" thread that Jesus loves them and they will be in my prayers and I was attacked. Apparantly, the Word of God offends many people.

Context is everything .....

 

[JennyMominRI]

Nor does it represent the views of most Born Again Chirstians, as I beleive you well know. Notice not one person has agreed with that absurd post. Please don't imply that this represents the views of Born Again Christians, when in fact the vast majority of us find this sort of commment repugnant and have stated so.

It was directed at me,and I certainly don't believe it's representitive of Born Again Christian opinion...I hope this doesn't cause the thread to be closed. I'll feel partially responsible as I sort of lost track and posted here way too much..this was supposed to be for you guys and I am sorry

 

[WDWHound]

I stated simply on the "Godless Heathens" thread that Jesus loves them and they will be in my prayers and I was attacked. Apparantly, the Word of God offends many people.

Regarding this, I don't know if you were aware of it, but the reason you got the response you did as that they have specifically asked us not to pray for them. They consider it to be disrespectful. I understand that you probably didn't mean it that way, but that is how they saw it, thus the responses you saw.

 

[WDWHound]

It was directed at me,and I certainly don't believe it's representitive of Born Again Christian opinion...I hope this doesn't cause the thread to be closed. I'll feel partially responsible as I sort of lost track and posted here way too much..this was supposed to be for you guys and I am sorry

This was in no way shape or form your fault. Please do not feel guilty when you did nothing wrong.

 

[ThAnswr]

Nor does it represent the views of most Born Again Chirstians, as I beleive you well know. Notice not one person has agreed with that absurd post. Please don't imply that this represents the views of Born Again Christians, when in fact the vast majority of us find this sort of commment repugnant and have stated so.

You misunderstood. I didn't imply all born-again Christians had that belief and, as you stated, I do know better.

But, this individual does identify himself/herself as a born-again Christian and the issue isn't what I believe, but what that individual believes.

 

[WDWHound]

You misunderstood. I didn't imply all born-again Christians had that belief and, as you stated, I do know better.

But, this individual does identify himself/herself as a born-again Christian and the issue isn't what I believe, but what that individual believes.

Thanks for clarifying. Sorry that I misunderstood you.