Born Again Christians Thread-No Bashing please

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Originally Posted by Miss Jasmine

I don't celebrate Easter in the regular sense (I observe Passover)

I am just checking back in after being gone all day. I hate missing so much during the day because there are several pages to go through when I get back to the computer.
Miss Jasmine, I just read this post. I wanted to ask if you have any good books that you would recommend that would go through a traditional Passover traditional meal/observance. The reason that I ask this is because of the Beth Moore study that I did on the life of Jesus. (I mentioned it in an earlier post.....Jesus The One and Only.) Beth really went into detail describing the traditions of Passover and related them to the last supper. It amazed me. I will tell you that I will NEVER take the Lord's supper the same again. I was so struck at what Jesus REALLY said at that supper. I never had realized and fully appreciated it all until I did that study. Anyway, at the group gathering and discussion one of the ladies told us that she likes to do a Passover meal with her children to teach them about it. She told us the name of a book that she bought that is specifically designed for families with children and teaches them all about it. I wrote the name of the book down, and even looked for it for a while at the bookstores, but I never found it. I ended up giving up and threw the name away. That was 3 years ago so I no longer can remember it. I was just wondering if you have any idea about a book like this.
 
TLHB70 said:
I will tell you that I will NEVER take the Lord's supper the same again. I was so struck at what Jesus REALLY said at that supper. I never had realized and fully appreciated it all until I did that study.

Hello TLHB70 -

Sounds like an information packed book you got your hands on there. I am curious...what was it that you believed before that you now feel is different after reading that book.

The reason why I ask is because to many, communion is a very special part in their walk with Christ, while others do it out of ritual or because they feel obligated. I just wanted to know what in that book really changed your way of thinking about The Last Supper. I believe I will now need to go to Mardel and get the book, you have my curiosity piqued. :rotfl:

I love reading Christian books. I got 8 of the Left Behind books at one time from Half-Priced books and had them finished in 2 weeks.

By the way - is there anybody here who really likes the Chronicles of Narnia? I always heard they were like Harry Potter and anti-Christian, but after I read them the first time, I really realized how the stories are modeled from the Bible and how the characters are modeled from the Bible. i.e. - Aslan is a representation of Jesus..Susan, Edmund, Peter and Lucy are like disciples, the White witch is like satan....etc. I cannot wait for that movie to come out on December 9th. I have read the series about 10 times. :teeth:
 
I too am interested in learning about Passover. I don't have kids yet, but I definitely want to teach them about Passover and other aspects of Judaism as the foundation/original covenant that led to Christianity.

Hmmm, I have never heard the Chronicles of Narnia referred to in any way but as Christian allegories (somewhat like Pilgrim's Progress). I read the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe as a child, and I remember the comparison of Aslan to Christ. My husband loved these books as a child, so we might go see the movie when it comes out.

Miss Jasmine, I understand completely what you mean about some thoughts in this thread potentially being polarizing. I agree that some are. However, I do think that with some topics, there's no way to express our beliefs without someone finding it a bit polarizing if that makes sense. I certainly don't want this to become a "holy huddle" where people don't feel welcome. After all, we are the light of the world, not the light of only our own homes. Also, you're not alone in believing that events in Jesus' life didn't necessarily happen at the time we celebrate them. I'll be honest though--I truly enjoy celebrating Christ's birth and resurrection, no matter when they happened. Hey, what can I say, I enjoy my Christmas tree too, LOL. :blush:
 
TLHB70 said:
Tasha and Scott, I am also Southern Baptist, but I do not agree that just going to church gets you into heaven. Just like I don't believe that not going to church sends you to hell. Jesus is the way to heaven, not church attendance.
I totally agree with you. Going to church will not get you to heaven, doing good works will not get you to heaven, being baptized will not get you to heaven, giving your tithe will not get you to heaven. Only through Jesus Christ can we get to heaven. A free gift given by grace from God. By only calling on His name, repenting of our sins and asking Jesus into our heart can we get to heaven. And the denomination doesn't matter because it is not our religion but our relationship with God through Jesus that is important.
 

bytheblood said:
By the way - is there anybody here who really likes the Chronicles of Narnia? I always heard they were like Harry Potter and anti-Christian, but after I read them the first time, I really realized how the stories are modeled from the Bible and how the characters are modeled from the Bible. i.e. - Aslan is a representation of Jesus..Susan, Edmund, Peter and Lucy are like disciples, the White witch is like satan....etc. I cannot wait for that movie to come out on December 9th. I have read the series about 10 times. :teeth:

DW & I are both on book 5 out of the 7. You can definitely see the Biblical applications in the characters & storylines.
 
Miss Jasmine said:
Elisabeth, I guess I just find some of the posts on this thread polarizing. Maybe I am just not comfortable in this type of setting. I feel less of a Christian because I don't subscribe to all the mainline Christian beliefs. I don't celebrate Easter in the regular sense (I observe Passover), I probably won't celebrate Christmas this year. This doesn't have to do with the church I attend, as it still does celebrate these holidays, but more of my personal beliefs.
Anyway, I will pop in from time-to-time.
Miss Jasmine, we do not celebrate holidays in the manner of the world in our home. No Easter baskets or Christmas gifts, trees,etc. We do celebrate by worshipping in church with our fellow Chrisitians. Easter week found my interpreting the Easter drama all week (every performance) so deaf people could come and worship along with the hearing with no restrictions.
This is not to say we don't give gifts in my family because we do. They are just not tied to specific holidays but either spur of the moment because it is something the person would enjoy or tied to a specific need of that person.
 
Talking Hands said:
Going to church will not get you to heaven, doing good works will not get you to heaven, being baptized will not get you to heaven, giving your tithe will not get you to heaven. Only through Jesus Christ can we get to heaven. A free gift given by grace from God. By only calling on His name, repenting of our sins and asking Jesus into our heart can we get to heaven. And the denomination doesn't matter because it is not our religion but our relationship with God through Jesus that is important.

Oh, how true! The simplicity of the Gospel is so wonderful. All the extra stuff really means little. God loved us, became one of us, died so we could live. We only need to believe it. So simple, yet so profound.
My family loves the Chronicles of Narnia, and yes, there are many Biblical parallels. I also love the book 'Mere Chrisitanity' by CS Lewis, because it is foundational and timeless.
 
bytheblood said:
By the way - is there anybody here who really likes the Chronicles of Narnia? I always heard they were like Harry Potter and anti-Christian, but after I read them the first time, I really realized how the stories are modeled from the Bible and how the characters are modeled from the Bible. i.e. - Aslan is a representation of Jesus..Susan, Edmund, Peter and Lucy are like disciples, the White witch is like satan....etc. I cannot wait for that movie to come out on December 9th. I have read the series about 10 times. :teeth:

I didn't know they were Christian based and only heard so in the past couple of years.
 
I read the Chronicles of Narnia in the 6th grade. It was required reading. We were definitley taught how they related to the Bible. DD is reading them this summer. I should read them again.
 
Talking Hands said:
And the denomination doesn't matter because it is not our religion but our relationship with God through Jesus that is important.


You could not be more right. I wish my in-laws would understand this. Very religious, but not Christians. When people want to argue about it, I always say and stand by my thoughts.............

Religion is man's attempt to reach God, Christianity is God reaching man through His Son Jesus Christ.
Christianity is not defined by religion, but instead being IN CHRIST. Christianity is not a religion, but instead a way of life.

I ask them...When you defend, please think about what you are defending. Are you defending a religion that is man's creation and the church you attend or are you defnding God and His word?
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

But they do not want to hear any of that because they believe their church will save them and they can be saved after they are dead.
 
Buckalew11 said:
I read the Chronicles of Narnia in the 6th grade. It was required reading. We were definitley taught how they related to the Bible. DD is reading them this summer. I should read them again.

I am glad to hear that. I bet she will love them. I cannot wait until my daughter wants to start reading them.

I have had people question me as to how I can read those books and call myself a Christian. :confused3 Oh well, I like them. Mere Christianity is a good book as well.
 
Originally posted by bytheblood

Sounds like an information packed book you got your hands on there. I am curious...what was it that you believed before that you now feel is different after reading that book.




I do believe that Beth Moore has a book of Jesus the One and Only. I have the Bible study. The section on the last supper is in week 9, day 2. I agree that the Lord's supper has always been a special time of worship for me. I am not one that does it out of routine or obligation. My church has the Lord's supper about 4 times a year, not weekly. However, I had never really understood all of the Passover observances and what they symbolized I guess. That is what was done that last night at the last supper. However, now we know that it wasn't just an ordinary observance. Jesus was about to institute the new covenant.
I will try to briefly explain some of the highlights Beth covers in the lesson.
Jesus had given much thought to the approaching feast. It is evident in verse 15 of Luke 22. "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer." Frank E. Gaebelein says in The Expositor's Bible Commentary on pg. 1026 that in the original language it would be more accurately reflected by the words, "with desire I have desired." Jesus considered it to be an enormously profound, significant evening. Nothing about that evening was trivial or accidental. He chose his two, Peter and John, to prepare the Passover. The Passover involved a fairly elaborate meal with a very specific setting. You can read about the original Passover in Exodus 12:1-14. Three symbolic foods were to be eaten during every observance of the Passover meal: flesh of lamb, unleavened bread, and bitter herbs. Unleavened bread represents sincerity and truth. Bitter herbs symbolize the bitterness of suffering of slavery, death and the innocent lamb's substitution. The herbs eaten during the meal would intentionally bring tears to their eyes as a reminder of the grief. Every part of the meal was highly symbolic, but it would have no meaning at all without the lamb. The most important preparation that Peter and John made was the preparing of the Passover Lamb. They had knowledge or understanding that the detailed preparation involving the lamb would soon be fulfilled in Jesus Christ. They may not have grasped the significance of it at that time, but eventually they got it. Read their words! Peter says in 1 Peter 1:18-20 that we are redeemed by Christ's precious blood. He was our spotless and unblemished Lamb sacrifice. John wrote in Revelation 5:6-8, 12-13 that Jesus is our Lamb upon His throne. Peter and John are the only two of the twelve who were recorded referring to Jesus as the Lamb. I don't believe that is coincidental. Christ's ultimate goal in any work He assigns us is to reveal Himself through us or to us. The tasks that He assigned them that day were used to reveal to them the Lamb of God.
When they gathered around the table, Christ took the father role in the observance. He poured the first of four cups of wine and lifted His cup toward heaven. Observance has the Kiddush prayer recited here, the prayer of sanctification. That prayer includes these words, or something very close to this: "Blessed art Thou, O Lord our God, King of the universe, WHo createst the fruit of the vine. Blessed art Thou, O Lord our God, Who hast chosen us for Thy service from among the nations......Blessed art Thou, O Lord our God, King of the universe, Who hast kept us in life, Who hast preserved us, and hast enabled us to reach this season." (She quoted Kevin Howard and Marvin Rosenthal from The Feasts of the Lord as a source here.) Beth says this is very likely the blessing or thanks that He recited in Luke22:17. If Christ and His disciples had followed tradition, they took the first cup of wine and asked that blessing, observed ceremonial washing and broke the unleavened bread. Then, there would follow a literal enactment of Exodus 12:26-27. The four cups of wine served at the Passover meal represented the four expressions or "I wills" of God's promised deliverance in Exodus 6:6-7. At this point in the meal, Christ poured the second cup of wine and narrated the story of Israel's exodus. (Again, this would be following the traditional Passover observance.) They ate the meal between the second and third cups. Now, look at Luke 22:20, the next cup was taken after they had eaten. The third cup was traditionally taken after the supper was eaten. It represents the third "I will" statement of God recorded in Exodus 6:6-7. Look at that third I will!!!!!!! "I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with mighty acts of judgement." This is the cup of redemption!!!!!!!!!!! Beth is clearly convinced that it is also the symbolic cup to which Christ referred only an hour or so later in the garden when He prayed "take this cup from me." (Luke 22:42). The third cup was the cup He could partake only with outstretched arms upon the cross.
We know that Christ did not literally drink this third cup because He said it in Luke 22:18, that He would not drink of another cup until the coming of the Kingdom of God. Instead of drinking the cup, He would, in essence, become the cup and pour out His life for the redemption of man. Christ took very seriously the cup of redemption He faced that last Passover supper. His body would soon be broken so that the Bread of Life could be distributed to all that would sit at His table. The wine of His blood would be poured out for all who would partake.
I believe that we have much to learn and appreciate about the Passover. I do know that we have been commanded to remember the death of Christ every time we observe the Lord's Supper. I always did so, but after this study I have so much more of an appreciation for that night and His sacrifice. I really would like to study the Passover traditions in more detail.
Sorry. I know that it is a long post, but I wanted to answer the question. I highly suggest this study, too. She answers lots of the questions.
 
Hello everyone, just checking in.

I was raised in a Christian home and baptized at the age of 8. I will not claim to have lived the perfect Christian life but I am thrilled to say that my relationship with Christ is closer than it has ever been. About two years ago I lost my father, both my grandfathers, and a close friend in 6 months. Without the strength of God I do not know how I would have made it.

Our DDs attend a Christian school based in our Assembly of God church.

My personal challenge is asking God to give me the strength to be a better witness for Him. I am proud of my faith and the foundations that we are instilling in our children but I still have a difficult time with some of my friends. It is funny but I can speak to strangers about God and my beliefs but I have had a difficult time with my close friends. One in particular had a very negative experience in church when she was young and shuts down if I try to speak to her.

I do have a question. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned something about James Dobson releasing a book about raising girls like the one he wrote about boys. Does anyone know when this will be released? My sister read his book about raising the strong willed child and thought it was very helpful.
 
shelly3girls said:
My personal challenge is asking God to give me the strength to be a better witness for Him. I am proud of my faith and the foundations that we are instilling in our children but I still have a difficult time with some of my friends. It is funny but I can speak to strangers about God and my beliefs but I have had a difficult time with my close friends. One in particular had a very negative experience in church when she was young and shuts down if I try to speak to her.

I understand your struggle. I believe we can find comfort knowing that Christ himself had a hard time with his brothers even. There really isn't anything that we struggle with that is new or different---God seemed to touch on everything (IMHO) knowing the ups and downs of living here. :goodvibes
 
shelly3girls said:
My personal challenge is asking God to give me the strength to be a better witness for Him. I am proud of my faith and the foundations that we are instilling in our children but I still have a difficult time with some of my friends. It is funny but I can speak to strangers about God and my beliefs but I have had a difficult time with my close friends. One in particular had a very negative experience in church when she was young and shuts down if I try to speak to her.

I share your struggle!
 
live4christp1 said:
Hi Fellow believers! Hope everyone is doing well today. God is to good!

Just thought I would try to get some more discussion going as I have enjoyed reading everyones posts.

What part of the Christian walk do you struggle with the most? Mine is trusting God with our finances. I know that His word (I think in Malichi) says to try Him and find Him faithful, that is the hardest thing for me to do.....though we have been working on it. I do believe that the our first fruits, God's part should be given first........my struggle is that I tend to want to pay all the other bills first and then give Him whats left over and I know thats wrong.

Any words of advice?

I have always struggled with giving my finances to God too. But I can also tell you that only trusting myself with them sometimes causes a great deal of stress, because we are on a tight budget and I get worried about every penny.

My pastor's wife gave a testimony a couple of weeks ago about trusting God with your finances. Our church is brand new, about 3 months old, and of course is financially struggling just to be able to rent the facilities to have our service in each week. My pastor actually has a full time job doing something else, he is drawing no salary from the church. In order to try to make this church work, and also because they have a young Down's Syndrome Child, they made the decision that the wife would quit her job so that she could do much of the administrative work for the church (and I voluntarily assist her in this area with what I can), and be home for their child. This has left them on an extremely tight budget, but they pray everyday that God will help provide for their needs. Right after she quit, her engine in her car blew up, and she was told it costs x amount of dollars to fix. They didn't have the money. However, the next day when the mail arrived, they got a letter from their insurance company stating a mistake had been made, and they had overpaid, and a check was enclosed for the EXACT amount of money they were quoted to fix the car....

As I said, I have been one that always gets quite stressed over finances because we are on a tight budget too. However, her story made me decide to ask God to help us with it, I did not want all the stress. By that I mean I would continue to responsibly handle our finances, but when unexpected expenses came up, I would hand them over to God and ask Him for a way to provide. Our air conditioning (here in very hot, humid FL) quit working about 4 weeks ago. We were quoted a price, and we did not have the money, we had to replace the entire system. I told God I was putting it in His hands, if He thought we needed to get it fixed, to please provide for us. If this was not His will, then I would understand there was some reason. I knew I was getting a bonus this month, but did not know how much for. When I got it, it was about half the amount we needed for the a/c, and thought God had a reason for us to not get it fixed right then. The next day, my DH was talking about it with his BIL on the phone, and BIL just happened to be at breakfast with his best friend, an a/c contractor and a good Christian man. He agreed to replace our system for the money we had, and we could pay the rest at $100/month with no interest. Though I knew we really didn't have an extra $100/month in the budget, I realized God had just sent us this man, and I agreed, it was fixed 2 days ago. The next morning, I found out that when DH starts pre-K next month, our fee will be exactly $100 less a month! There is the payment.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I think God WILL provide for you if you trust Him too. It may not always be exactly the way you want it (heck, I wanted the money for the a/c the day after it broke, not after 4 weeks of 95 degree weather!), and sometimes you may not always realize he is providing, but He will always take care of us in some way. I have been giving to the church, but the money I provide is not always 10%. I still struggle with that but I think what I just experienced is going to help me increase that. I do still believe, however, that your tithe may not be solely monetary, but also of your time (and I know a lot of people disagree with that), and I do give a lot of volunteer time to my church for that reason.
 
bytheblood said:
I love Christian music. There are so many great artist. Steven Curtis Chapman (he is so annointed), Third Day (also very annointed), Rebecca St James, FFH, Mercy Me, Casting Crowns...I listen to KLTY (local radion station) all day long at work..well, when I am not listening to Calvary Satellite Network.

I love Steven Curtis Chapman! Your music tastes sound a lot like mine.
 
bytheblood said:
I love Calvary Chapel. Who is your pastor? I live in TX and my pastor was Matt Dodd, but he moved to Oregon. Our new pastor is good, but I miss Pastor Matt.

I love Chuck Smith, Don McClure, John Coursen, Bob Davis, Greg Laurie, Hal Harless, Mike Fabarez..all of them. Do you ever listen to To Every Man an Answer? I LOVE :love: that show. CSN is one of the only stations I listen to in the morning.

Hi there! Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I will check out that book. My pastor is David Rosales. I have listened to 'to every man..'! :) It's a great program. God Bless!
 
dcentity, I agree strongly with those who have
attempted to shed some light on why they & others
like myself believe that we cannot ever "do enough"
to earn a place in Heaven.

Jesus also said a couple of things that may interest you:

To one of the thieves alongside Him,
(the one who told Jesus he now believed He was
Who He said He was),
"I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."
Needless to say the thief could not get down
off of the cross and make good on his sins,
nor could he even apologize to anyone.

And I believe Jesus said something directly to you, my DIS friend:
"It Is FINISHED!"


Blessings to all...............
 
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