Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[CPT Tripss]

I'm just trying to establish exactly who it is we're talking about. I thought there was just one president in the United States -not one for conservatives and one for everyone else. So... is the man I call president your president too?

Did you miss 1993-2000? The shoe seemed to be on the other foot then with a lot of conservatives.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Well, what's the difference? Most of the posters in hysterics on this thread would have never mentioned these facts if Bush was still in the running? So why does it matter to you all so much about Obama? What's the difference? BE HONEST! At least I would respect your honesty.

I know you didn't address me, but...

Bear with me. I've just polished off a bottle of wine, but I think I can get this out.
Black Liberation Theology, which is the banner under which Trinity UCC labors, is at it's core a rejection of the individualistic spirituality often associated with mainstream and Evangelical (especially Evangelical!) Christianity. There is a strong sense of connection between pastor and parishioner in BLT churches, moreso than in many others. This unity means there can be no daylight -no cover, if you will -because all are covered under teh same mission statement, the same goal, the same vision. That is an extremely Afro-centric vision, but I digress...

Wright was and is an extremely influential figure in the spiritual life and decision-making of Barack Obama. So much so that Obama entitled his pivotal text after one of Wright's sermons. What Wright has said and thinks has a great bearing on the life of Obama. Obama recognizes and honors that by having Wright do things like officiate at his wedding, baptize his children, and serve on his campaign committee.

Falwell and Haggard are dudes hat Bush used for political expediency. Their insights may even have been respected by Bush, but Bush did not -here it comes -suckle at their theological teat for 20+ years.

IMO Obama is as much conformed to Wright as that lady's rear end was to the toilet seat -the one who stayed in the bathroon for two years.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

You answer my questions or comments with laughter and smilie faces. I get it, you don't take what I"m saying seriously. I've learned that on this thread. So don't get angry with me if I can't answer you with a thoughtful comment.

I didn't respond to that post with any laughter or smilie faces. I do not take seriously the point of trying to equate other candidates, be it Bush or McCain, dealings with people of radical agendas, to Obama's intimate friendship with Reverend Wright for 20+ years. I am not angry with you.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Think Stepin Fechit - you accidently tripped over a stereotype.

Please be assured... nothing intentional. I'll call my two black brothers in for back-up if need be.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Did you miss 1993-2000? The shoe seemed to be on the other foot then with a lot of conservatives.

Well I can't speak for "a lot of conservatives" but William Jefferson Clinton was my president back then.

 

[CPT Tripss]

In cased you missed it, those two preachers have taken their own share of heat over the years.

BTW one tiny little distinction. GWB wasn't a member of Falwell's church (Robertson doesn't have a physical Church). And no there is not a link to prove that something that did not happen, did not happen. Obama, however, was a member, did donate big bucks, was married by and had his children baptized by and attended the church that this hatemonger was the pastor of for 20 years.

Have you visited the church's web site? Have you looked at the community missions they support through the church? Do you see a whole bunch that are supported by all kinds of churches? Why wouldn't a decent person contribute to support those things?

 

[CPT Tripss]

I know you didn't address me, but...

Bear with me. I've just polished off a bottle of wine, but I think I can get this out.
Black Liberation Theology, which is the banner under which Trinity UCC labors, is at it's core a rejection of the individualistic spirituality often associated with mainstream and Evangelical (especially Evangelical!) Christianity. There is a strong sense of connection between pastor and parishioner in BLT churches, moreso than in many others. This unity means there can be no daylight -no cover, if you will -because all are covered under teh same mission statement, the same goal, the same vision. That is an extremely Afro-centric vision, but I digress...
snip . . .

Bolding mine . . . could we not say the same thing about many Protestant Evangelical (thinking of Church of God and Baptist) congregations that "call" their pastors?
The same mission statement and goal? Sounds like a lot of Christian Churches. What am I missing? Does a Methodist Bishop give cover to a congregation or pastor in the conference?

 

[SwedishMeatball]

You answer my questions or comments with laughter and smilie faces. I get it, you don't take what I"m saying seriously. I've learned that on this thread and I've learned to answer back that way to the posters who want to do that. So don't get angry with me if I can't answer you with a thoughtful comment. I'm more than happy, willing actually, to have a discussion about this. I'm obviously upset with what's going on, but I can still rationally talk about it.

I see you edited your post since I responded to it. I'm confident that I've been reasonable in my debate regarding this issue. I don't blame you for being upset, and I encourage you to discuss it in any manner in which you feel. I have no issue with that.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Please be assured... nothing intentional. I'll call my two black brothers in for back-up if need be.

I assumed (as dangerous as that is) that. Notice the "accidently?"

I know you didn't address me, but...

Bear with me. I've just polished off a bottle of wine, but I think I can get this out.
Black Liberation Theology, which is the banner under which Trinity UCC labors, is at it's core a rejection of the individualistic spirituality often associated with mainstream and Evangelical (especially Evangelical!) Christianity. There is a strong sense of connection between pastor and parishioner in BLT churches, moreso than in many others. This unity means there can be no daylight -no cover, if you will -because all are covered under teh same mission statement, the same goal, the same vision. That is an extremely Afro-centric vision, but I digress...
snip . . .

Bolding mine . . . could we not say the same thing about many Protestant Evangelical (thinking of Church of God and Baptist) congregations that "call" their pastors?
The same mission statement and goal? Sounds like a lot of Christian Churches. What am I missing? Does a Methodist Bishop give cover to a congregation or pastor in the conference?

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Bolding mine . . . could we not say the same thing about many Protestant Evangelical (thinking of Church of God and Baptist) congregations that "call" their pastors?
The same mission statement and goal? Sounds like a lot of Christian Churches. What am I missing? Does a Methodist Bishop give cover to a congregation or pastor in the conference?

Actually I think it's a failing in the "white" church that we do not have a similar connection as do so many in traditional A-A churches. Mainstream Protestant and Evangelical Christianity is soooo individualistic. People get tunnel vision about their "personal realtionship with Jesus" at the cost of that sense of connection and community that is so prevalent in many A-A churches. United Methodists are ironically individualistic (I are one ); we talk on and on about connectionalism but ultimately, as a people, are among the most self-interested due to our institutionalism. Ideally all churches are united behind a common goal and mission, but most "white" churches have a lot to learn from A-A churches on this matter.

TUCC seems to have it. As I've said in previous posts, I truly affirm and and am in solidarity with some of teh tenets of Black LIberation Theology. But it is one theological expression that I feel is dangerous when applied to presidential politics.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Please be assured... nothing intentional. I'll call my two black brothers in for back-up if need be.

By the way I liked your top hat look from Mad Dogs and Englishmen better than the cowboy look (it's too "rhinestone").

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

By the way I liked your top hat look from Mad Dogs and Englishmen better than the cowboy look (it's too "rhinestone").

My siggie used to read "Have you listened to Leon Live today?

 

[CPT Tripss]

My siggie used to read "Have you listened to Leon Live today?

I like that one more than the present one.

Listen, I won't share the wine commentary with the Bishop (just between us here).

But back to TUCC/BLT. Which tenets do you agree with? And where does it go awry as far as "presidential" goes? Is it anti-white and anti-jew as some on this thread suggested?

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I like that one more than the present one.

Listen, I won't share the wine commentary with the Bishop (just between us here).

But back to TUCC/BLT. Which tenets do you agree with? And where does it go awry as far as "presidential" goes? Is it anti-white and anti-jew as some on this thread suggested?

Baaaah... you can tell the bishop if you like. What's he gonna do? Promote me?

It's far too late at night for me to run off and snip quotes on BLT, but suffice it to say this evening that I like much of the social justice stance one finds in BLT. Sacrifice and servanthood should be pillars of discipleship IMO -that means working with and for the poor. (I just get steamed when governemnet is involved in such work ) Keep in mind I'm a 43yo white guy with two black brothers (long story), but I agree that the system in America was too long stacked against blacks. So in those principles, for starters, BLT interests me.

I am however, unburdened by white guilt. When I read the work of James Cone, and hear sermons from more contemporary BLT leaders such as Jeermiah Wright, I am troubled by continued references to the inherent evil of whites, Jews, etc. I used to just blow off what Cone et al wrote as being sort of anachronistic, but then along come these clips of Wright -and it's like all that stuff that I find repugnant in BLT is being made new again.

The notion of having a POTUS who is deeply entrenched in BLT scares the crap out of me. I can have no confidence about where his allegiances lie. In short I can never trust him, and can only hope and pray I don't have to should he be elected.

 

[LuvDuke]

& my tax dollars evidently helped subsidize the vile sermons from that "sack of cr*p" nut job preacher who has been Obama's "moral compass" for the past 20 years.

Which is where i wish this thread would return to. (GWB is thankfully yesterday's news.)

Let's compare what HC (or Geraldine Ferraro) have said & what she (they) have done for our country the past 25 years & then lets compare what BO & Jeremiah Whathisname have said & what they've done for our country the past 25 years.

You really want to start listing what Ferraro or Hillary Clinton have done for this country. Not very much. Both of them are legends in their own minds. Hillary has no experience other than padding her resume as if she was elected president and counting everything she's ever done since she was 25 years old (60 - 35 = 25). And Ferraro was a 3-term Congresswoman from Queens.

Here's the difference between Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama. It didn't take Obama 2-3 days to reject what his "former" pastor said. Hillary Clinton managed to squeak out an apology in front of a group of black journalists because someone may've reminded her she really does need the black vote in PA.

And here's Obama's statement:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

Apparently, none of the "righteous indignation'ers" bothered mentioning this.

 

[N.Bailey]

I have many, many, pages to go before I am caught up with this thread, but as I sit here watching the interviews with Obama (have just finished Hannity and Colmes - had unexpected company), I have to say that unless more comes out, this will not keep me from voting for him.

I have been 100% impressed with how he is handling all of this. He is 100% respectful at all times, even when I know I would not be. It appears that those who are speaking out on these programs care not about the issues, but care more about backing their political ideology (and as I said earlier, I am a registered Republican and this is very clear to me).

Barring further information, if you Dems make him the candidate, he most assuredly has my vote. I totally respect that while he stands by the minister; referring to him as an extended family member, he has stated he would have quit going to this church if the message that we've been shown had been the message this particular church put out on a regular basis.

For the record, I personally never held it against Mel Gibson when his father had made statements against the Holocaust. Later many would hold Mel's own statements against him, but I took those statements as anger toward the Jewish community for the bashing on his film, The Passion of the Christ, rather than his remarks being against Jews in general.

I also want to point out that it's clear these videos have been gone over with a fine tooth comb. There are years in the difference from one to the next. Well, if you're aware of the legal process, this same technique is applied quite often. You can build a case against anyone if you're selectively going thru their life's work to make a point. I've seen time and time again where convictions are handed down based on nothing but character assassination. I never thought it right in a court of law, and most certainly don't think it's right here.

 

[CowboyCO]

Bailey

You are correct that these comments were taken over years. That is the point. For Obama to declare ignorance when these messages of hate were preached over years is ridiculous. These are just the most aggregious, but common sense tells you that he's been bashing "whitey" all along.

The cheering in the background during the G D America Sermon tells you that this type of speech was not met with horror, angst, or even embarrassment of the crazy uncle. It is wildly supported.

 

[CowboyCO]

Bailey

You keep repeating that you are a registered republican, yet even though Obama is rated as the MOST leftist voting senator out of 100, you would still support him.

The BS meter is wailing very loudly.

 

[angelmav]

Bailey

You are correct that these comments were taken over years. That is the point. For Obama to declare ignorance when these messages of hate were preached over years is ridiculous. These are just the most aggregious, but common sense tells you that he's been bashing "whitey" all along.

The cheering in the background during the G D America Sermon tells you that this type of speech was not met with horror, angst, or even embarrassment of the crazy uncle. It is wildly supported.

Ill bet Ferraro could get the same kind of reaction at any number of rallies with her speeches. Of course most of the attendee's would be wearing capes and robes.

For the record, Obama came out against this at the start of his campaign and has been consistent about that, plus, he wasnt even there when the speech took place. Should Hillary be slandered because of a speech supporting her that the Grand Marshall of the KKK gives?

 

[N.Bailey]

Bailey

You keep repeating that you are a registered republican, yet even though Obama is rated as the MOST leftist voting senator out of 100, you would still support him.

The BS meter is wailing very loudly.

Personally, I don't care about the BS meter. I care about the future of America. If you have proof that Obama shares these views, I am all ears and eyes.

I am so darn sick of Bush that I couldn't put into words how he makes me feel. When I say I am a Republican, I mean, I am a Reagan Republican. I know Bush likes to equate himself to Reagan, but he truly wouldn't make a pimple on his ***. While not alone, he brought the Soviet Union down without a single gun being fired.

I don't think it's simplistic enough to say that this is a possibility where every issue is concerned, but an invasion based on faulty surveillance?

Sorry, I have no tolerance for political grandstanding.