Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[N.Bailey]

I guess Hagee is okay because he only stated discriminatory remarks against Catholics not white people, therefore it's perfectly acceptable for McCain to accept his endorsement.

And McCain supporters shouldn't be too excited about this Obama bust up right now, even Clinton will wipe the floor with him.

7/8 months is a looooong time. Unfortunately, American people tend to suffer from short-term memory loss. Ferraro anyone?

It's not that I don't like you (that has nothing to do with what I'm about to say), but you really can catch more flies with honey.

That's exactly what I saw in Obama tonight.

Taking the high road is 100% admirable, but IMO, you truly lead by example.

 

[N.Bailey]

In a story published in today’s New York Times, Falwell — who enraged Americans after the September 11, 2001 attacks by saying that we could expect more attacks if "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve" — confirmed that the White House reached out to him to seek his advice on a Supreme Court nominee. The paper reported that Falwell "declined to offer advice, telling the White House staff member that, because of Mr. Bush's track record appointing conservative judges, `"I am willing to sit back and trust him and pray for him."

If you are all allowed to quote FOXnews, then I can quote the NY Times.

Okay, if you're allowed to quote The Times, and others are allowed to quote Fox, I feel a need to link to this. Keep in mind that I don't take this as fact, but I would LOVE someone to respond to this. I'm not really interested in anyone's personal opinion, but I am interested in anything that could counter it on it a FACTUAL basis. IMO, you must watch all the videos that address these issues, not simply say that they're false, as I believe a pretty compelling argument has ensued.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw&feature=related

If you've not watched them all, IMO, you couldn't possibly counter them all. If you can however, I am all ears and would LOVE to hear what you have to say.

 

[wardfamily1]

...When I say I am a Republican, I mean, I am a Reagan Republican...

WOW, this is too much,-can't - stop - laughing--- there is NO WAY someone who is TRULY a Reagan Republican would EVER vote for Obama.

You obviously been led astray, hopefully you'll see the light before november.

 

[kribit]

WOW, this is too much,-can't - stop - laughing--- there is NO WAY someone who is TRULY a Reagan Republican would EVER vote for Obama.

You obviously been led astray, hopefully you'll see the light before november.

I know, the comparison between Reagan and Obama???? Complete Opposites!!

That's almost (well, yes) insulting to a conservative.

 

[ConcKahuna]

I listened to the clips tonight. He said in a nutshell that Jesus was black and lived in an area controlled by the Romans/Italians/Jews (ie. whites).

The guy sounds completely off his rocker.

Well, Jesus wasn't white. He was a middle eastern Jew. That doesn't make him black though either.

*snip*

OMG, are you possesed? What happened to the 1-sentance Pop Daddy we all know???

I can't help but wonder if all these posters would be so quick to let a candidate off the hook that had been attending weekly services full of white supremacy for twenty years and considered the minister a source of guidance. Somehow, I think not.

In high-school, the local Baptist minister was also pretty high up in the local branch of the KKK. He got a suprisingly high amount of votes when he ran for public office.

In general, I feel it's stupid to judge people by their religous leaders. If people all took after their clergy, how many people would be child molesters???

 

[Charade]

You really want to start listing what Ferraro or Hillary Clinton have done for this country. Not very much. Both of them are legends in their own minds. Hillary has no experience other than padding her resume as if she was elected president and counting everything she's ever done since she was 25 years old (60 - 35 = 25). And Ferraro was a 3-term Congresswoman from Queens.

Here's the difference between Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama. It didn't take Obama 2-3 days to reject what his "former" pastor said. Hillary Clinton managed to squeak out an apology in front of a group of black journalists because someone may've reminded her she really does need the black vote in PA.

And here's Obama's statement:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

Apparently, none of the "righteous indignation'ers" bothered mentioning this.

Mentioned which? That she squeaked out an apology or posted Obama's "words" from huffingtonpost? I didn't mention the first (didn't know about it) but I did post the link to his "words" on the huffingtonpost several pages back.

 

[Charade]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw&feature=related

If you've not watched them all, IMO, you couldn't possibly counter them all. If you can however, I am all ears and would LOVE to hear what you have to say.

Popular Mechanics pretty much debunked most, if not all, of the "coincidence" theories.

 

[wardfamily1]

Okay, if you're allowed to quote The Times, and others are allowed to quote Fox, I feel a need to link to this. Keep in mind that I don't take this as fact, but I would LOVE someone to respond to this. I'm not really interested in anyone's personal opinion, but I am interested in anything that could counter it on it a FACTUAL basis. IMO, you must watch all the videos that address these issues, not simply say that they're false, as I believe a pretty compelling argument has ensued.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw&feature=related

If you've not watched them all, IMO, you couldn't possibly counter them all. If you can however, I am all ears and would LOVE to hear what you have to say.

Rosie O'Donnell, is that you?

 

[Charade]

In general, I feel it's stupid to judge people by their religious leaders. If people all took after their clergy, how many people would be child molesters???

We're not judging Obama on his religious leader, we're questioning Obama's beliefs. He *now* says he "strongly rejects" his pastor's (could have been anyone for that matter) beliefs and doesn't share them. The other question is, do people believe him.

 

[Olaf]

In general, I feel it's stupid to judge people by their religous leaders. If people all took after their clergy, how many people would be child molesters???

Folks, how many times do we have to say this is not about religion? Nothing that the lunatic had to say in any of these clips was even remotely religious. They just happened to have been recorded in a church. This is about someone whom Obama considers a dear friend and confidant.

To the Dems, this is what happens when a candidate isn't properly vetted. Just be glad it isn't October, with Obama at the top of your ticket.

 

[kribit]

Folks, how many times do we have to say this is not about religion? Nothing that the lunatic had to say in any of these clips was even remotely religious. They just happened to have been recorded in a church. This is about someone whom Obama considers a dear friend and confidant.

To the Dems, this is what happens when a candidate isn't properly vetted. Just be glad it isn't October, with Obama at the top of your ticket.

Come to think of it, did he even MENTION a God of any sort?

 

[transparant]

WOW, this is too much,-can't - stop - laughing--- there is NO WAY someone who is TRULY a Reagan Republican would EVER vote for Obama.

You obviously been led astray, hopefully you'll see the light before november.

I think Reagan just rolled over in his grave on that one!

 

[transparant]

It makes no sense to me nor do I care if Obama denounces the poison that his pastor spews. He has said NOTHING to repudiate the reaction of the congregation. A congregation that CLAPS and CHEERS when this hate filled man says the racist horrible things that he does.

 

[lillygator]

It makes no sense to me nor do I care if Obama denounces the poison that his pastor spews. He has said NOTHING to repudiate the reaction of the congregation. A congregation that CLAPS and CHEERS when this hate filled man says the racist horrible things that he does.

exactly.

 

[rie'smom]

I'm sitting here reading through the thread again and yes, I'm slow because this has just dawned on me:
Obama's wife, Michelle spews about the US-she's never been proud to be an American.
His pastor spews hatred from the pulpit.
These people are close to him.
You can believe that as awful as the things we've heard are, how many other things have been said that we don't know about?
He can try distancing himself but, in the end, he's been around them for so long, that he might come across as unloyal. There's no way in hell that he didn't know his pastor's feelings or that he never heard him say these vile things.
If I had attended church and my priest had spouted this kind of hate against blacks or any other group, I would have left and found another church with another priest and I would have called the bishop to report him.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

I have many, many, pages to go before I am caught up with this thread, but as I sit here watching the interviews with Obama (have just finished Hannity and Colmes - had unexpected company), I have to say that unless more comes out, this will not keep me from voting for him.

I have been 100% impressed with how he is handling all of this. He is 100% respectful at all times, even when I know I would not be. It appears that those who are speaking out on these programs care not about the issues, but care more about backing their political ideology (and as I said earlier, I am a registered Republican and this is very clear to me).

Barring further information, if you Dems make him the candidate, he most assuredly has my vote. I totally respect that while he stands by the minister; referring to him as an extended family member, he has stated he would have quit going to this church if the message that we've been shown had been the message this particular church put out on a regular basis.

For the record, I personally never held it against Mel Gibson when his father had made statements against the Holocaust. Later many would hold Mel's own statements against him, but I took those statements as anger toward the Jewish community for the bashing on his film, The Passion of the Christ, rather than his remarks being against Jews in general.

I also want to point out that it's clear these videos have been gone over with a fine tooth comb. There are years in the difference from one to the next. Well, if you're aware of the legal process, this same technique is applied quite often. You can build a case against anyone if you're selectively going thru their life's work to make a point. I've seen time and time again where convictions are handed down based on nothing but character assassination. I never thought it right in a court of law, and most certainly don't think it's right here.

I'm sorry you're being laughed at by a few characters here. Fear can cause inappropriate laughter.

If Ronald Reagan is whirling in his grave it could be because his name has been co-opted by the fools in the current administration.

 

[afcgirl]

Even if we believe Obama that he did not hear any of the pastor's lunatic views (which I don't think is possible), the pastor had a reputation for having these types of views.

For Obama to pretend that he did not know of the man's reputation is just an insult to the American public's intelligence.

Plus, his spiritual advisor and mentor is INSANE! Not just a little insane, but a full-blown wack job. What kind of judgment does that show?

 

[afcgirl]

For the record, I personally never held it against Mel Gibson when his father had made statements against the Holocaust. Later many would hold Mel's own statements against him, but I took those statements as anger toward the Jewish community for the bashing on his film, The Passion of the Christ, rather than his remarks being against Jews in general.

You forget that Mel Gibson did not choose his father. I am sure his father indoctrinated Mel with his hatred and it is too bad that Mel did not see the light when he left his father's home.

However, Obama specifically chose his pastor and stayed with him for 20+ years.

 

[Shutterbug]

I'm sitting here reading through the thread again and yes, I'm slow because this has just dawned on me:
Obama's wife, Michelle spews about the US-she's never been proud to be an American.
His pastor spews hatred from the pulpit.
These people are close to him.
You can believe that as awful as the things we've heard are, how many other things have been said that we don't know about?
He can try distancing himself but, in the end, he's been around them for so long, that he might come across as unloyal. There's no way in hell that he didn't know his pastor's feelings or that he never heard him say these vile things.
If I had attended church and my priest had spouted this kind of hate against blacks or any other group, I would have left and found another church with another priest and I would have called the bishop to report him.

exactly. If he had left the church way back when then yes I could accpet that he has distanced himself. Though to do it now, I feel they have just have too much influence on his life to really have distanced himself.

 

[LoraJ]

Do you all give John McCain and his relationship with Rod Parsley the same scrutiny?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/15/44331/7471/893/477115