Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

which book are you refering to? Dreams from my father....or Audacity of hope?


Audacity - ironically enough.

Here, check this out:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...chi-070121-relig_wright,0,4595906,print.story

chicagotribune.com
REV. JEREMIAH A. WRIGHT, JR.: Pastor inspires Obama's 'audacity'
By Manya A. Brachear

Tribune religion reporter

January 21, 2007

When he took over Trinity United Church of Christ in 1972, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. was a maverick pastor with a wardrobe of dashikis and a militant message.

Six years later, he planted a "Free South Africa" sign on the lawn of his church and asked other local religious leaders to follow his lead.

None took him up on the invitation.

The sign stayed until the end of apartheid, --long enough to catch the eye of a young Barack Obama, who visited the church in 1985 as a community activist. Obama, was not a churchgoer at the time, but he found himself returning to the sanctuary of Trinity United. In Wright he had found both a spiritual mentor and a role model.

Wright, 65, is a straight-talking pragmatist who arrived in Chicago as an outsider and became an institution. He has built a congregation of 8,500, including the likes of Oprah Winfrey and hip-hop artist Common, by offering an alternative to socially conservative black churches that are, Wright believes, too closely tied to Chicago's political dynasties.

Obama, too, also came to the city as a young unknown. Emerging from relative obscurity with his win in the Democratic U.S. Senate primary race for a U.S. Senate seat, he found a growing audience by preaching the politics of social justice and common ground. He has encouraged Democrats to acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of Americans. Now, he is positioning himself as a presidential candidate who can unify the American people.

Obama says that rather than advising him on strategy, Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.

"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."

The rebellious son of a Baptist minister, Wright was hired by Trinity United when he could find no Baptist church to take him. The congregation on 95th Street, then numbering just 87, had recently adopted the motto "Unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian." They did not mind his fiery red Afro and black power agenda.

Wright has continued on an independent path ever since, often questioning the common sense of Scripture, objecting to mandatory prayer in schools and clashing with clergy who preach prosperity theology, a popular notion among black pastors that God will bestow wealth and success on believers.

In the process, he built a spiritual empire. The modest brown brick building that housed the church in the 1970s was converted into a day-care center when Trinity opened its new sanctuary in 1995 at 400 W. 95th St. Members run more than 80 ministries, including an outreach to gay and lesbian singles, --also unusual for a black church.

And though Wright now wears three-piece suits on occasion, but he still dons a dashiki most times he preaches. Obama has said he is particularly inspired by Wright's ability to draw followers from all walks of life--celebrities and welfare recipients, PhDs and GEDs. It is a gift the senator aspires to emulate.

Wright again bucked convention by announcing plans to retire in May 2008 and tapping Rev. Otis Moss III as his successor. Many black pastors do not surrender their pulpit even when they become too feeble to serve, said Rev. Dwight Hopkins, a professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School who met Wright in the 1980s.

Wright's willingness to "surrender leadership" demonstrates a humility that sets him apart, Hopkins said.

"The black church is probably the only space in America where black men can have unquestioned authority," he said. "It's hard to give that up for a lot of black male pastors."

Wright said the decision was not hard difficult. "The church is built around the personality of Jesus, not Jeremiah Wright," he said.

Born and raised in Philadelphia, Wright followed in the footsteps of his father and grandfather and enrolled at by attending Virginia Union University, with the intention of doing graduate work at the historically black seminary. But disenchanted by what he felt was an inadequate Christian response to the civil rights movement, he abruptly ended his pastoral pursuits and joined the U.S. Navy.

An encounter with a pastor as he loitered on some church steps reminded Wright of his calling. He eventually returned to Howard University to finish bachelor's and master's degrees in English with a focus on African spirituals. At the University of Chicago Divinity School, he earned another master's in the history of religions with a focus on Islam. He planned to earn a doctoral degree his Ph.D. and teach at a seminary.

But his calling to teach was interrupted by a call to action. Many black Christians were leaving the church for other religious traditions, including the Black Hebrew Israelites and the Nation of Islam, who taught that Christianity was a white man's religion imposed on them by slaveholders.

"They didn't know African-American history," Wright said. "They were leaving the churches by the boatloads ¡K The church seemed so disconnected from their struggle for dignity and humanity."

Wright set out to show young people how other major religions also participated in the slave trade, how many abolitionists were Christians and how Jesus' concern for the oppressed related to the struggles of the black community.

To do that, he needed a pulpit and found one at Trinity, which needed a leader to match its new motto and new attitude.

"Many of us who had grown up in very traditional denominations were all transformed by the civil rights movement and were beginning to question how our faith intersected with our actions," said longtime Trinity member Iva Carruthers, who is helping Wright launch a church grammar school.

Wright sought to build on the black theology of liberation introduced in 1968 by Rev. James Cone of New York, by emphasizing Africa's contribution to Christianity rather than that of mainstream white theologians.

"To show there is an independent form of thinking there about religion that stands on its own, that's really more life-giving than what you get from Europe," Cone said. "Black people who come from that approach have a very healthy understanding of who they are."

To bolster that pride, Wright takes members of his flock to different African nations every year. Wright also encourages youths in the congregation to attend historically black colleges and universities, sponsoring a scholarship fair each year.

The success of Trinity did not come without sacrifice.

"Growing up in the church was kind of bittersweet," said Wright's daughter Jeri, who developed a church publication into the nationally distributed Trumpet magazine. "That's when his daily life consisted of his service to God's people. I've always loved going to church and going to worship. At the same time I felt my church took my father from me."

She credits her mother, Janet, for helping her understand.

"It was my mother that taught us to separate the man from the ministry," his daughter said. "No matter what happened in our lives, she never wanted us to have any ill feelings toward the church or toward our father. `Yes, he is your father, but when he steps behind that sacred desk he is God's messenger, and never confuse the two.'ƒ|"

It was a harder lesson to live. Janet and Jeremiah Wright eventually divorced, --which the pastor describes as his greatest failure. He has since remarried and had another daughter, Jamila, and with his wife, Ramah, he sees a counselor regularly.

He hides none of this from his congregation, despite the persistent whispering since his divorce.

"He's not a hypocrite," Hopkins said. "You know what he says behind closed doors, he'll say in the pulpit."

"People expect him to be God. They expect him to be Jesus," said Jeri Wright said. "The reality is, he's human. He has the same hurt, the same pains, the same issues as those that come and sit under the sound of his voice every Sunday." That dose of reality is what keeps Lonnie Rashid Lynn Jr., known in the to hip-hop world as Common, coming back to Trinity.

"That's one of the greatest attributes I love about him," said Common, who grew up in the church. "He falls victim to the same things ¡K He brings balance to the pulpit. He didn't just create an image."

In his 1993 memoir "Dreams from My Father," Obama recounts in vivid detail his first meeting with Wright in 1985. The pastor warned the community activist that getting involved with Trinity might turn off other black clergy because of the church's radical reputation.

When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity. Before leaving for Harvard Law School in 1988, he responded to one of Wright's altar calls and declared a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Later he would base his 2004 keynote speech to the Democratic National Convention on a Wright sermon called "Audacity to Hope," --also the inspiration for Obama's second memoir, "The Audacity of Hope."

Though Wright and Obama do not often talk one-on-one often, the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves.

Last fall, Obama approached Wright to broach the possibility of running for president. Wright cautioned Obama not to let politics change him, but he also encouraged Obama, win or lose.

Wright said, "Picture some kid who lives in Hyde Park or over in Ida B. Wells Homes or Washington Gardens, who will see Barack and say, `My God, I can be one day be that.' The amount of hope that it will give to kids who society has written off just in terms of them changing their concept of what is possible is going to be immeasurable for generations to come." ƒ| mbrachear@tribune.com
 
Have you read his book, Tim? He in no way denounces Reverend Wright. Quite the opposite.

Yes and I believe that Wright is responsible for the title of "Audacity of Hope." From what I understand, Obama has said many things Wright have said were inflammatory in nature but that he doesn't view him in a political light - he has said he seems him more as a family member that he disagrees with on occasion. Me personally, I probably wouldn't even associate with someone who holds those views, so its an area in which I disagree with the Senator if I'm being honest.

However, I still don't believe for a second, Obama shares those views, and I think his public record stands by my view.
 
No, but we are all part of the same Body of Christ, laboring under the same mission statement, working toward a common vision, sharing one another's burdens, celebrating with one another, grieving, mourning, counseling, etc. IOW it aint exactly your ordinary relationship.


We are All the same as the body of christ according to your beliefs and maybe not according to many others beliefs.....thats the problem with religion, it assumes way to much for something that is based purely on faith!!
 
He hasn't denounced it (in those words as far as I know - still trying to look) but I remember either someone asking him or one of his staffers if he shares those views and he said no, when his Pastor came up in discussions early on in the campaign.

He's more than just his pastor/spirtual advisor. He's a formal part of his campaign.

PRESS RELEASE from Obama for America
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Dec. 4, 2007

Renowned Faith Leaders Come Together to Support Obama

Unprecedented group of nation’s top Black religious leaders unveiled

CHARLESTON, S.C. –U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign today unveiled its African American Religious Leadership Committee at both the national and statewide levels. Together, they represent two groups of key national and South Carolina religious leaders who are supporting Obama’s bid for the Democratic nomination.

These groups are truly without equal and reflect the belief among clergy that Obama has dedicated his public life to living the values of his faith outside of his house of worship. The national leadership committee is made up of presidents of two of the largest national Baptist conventions; the most senior Bishop of the African Methodist Episcopal Church, some of the most well-known African American women religious leaders and living legends of the Civil Rights movement, Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery and Dr. C.T. Vivian; and many others.

Bishop Walter Scott Thomas and Lowery joined Vivian in Charleston to unveil the list. South Carolina ministers attending the event included Rev. Ralph Canty of Savannah Grove Baptist in Effingham, Rev. Dr. Charles Heyward of St. James Presbyterian on James Island and Revs. Alanza Washington of Wallingford Presbyterian in Charleston and Julius McDowell of Big Wesley United Methodist in Hollywood.

The South Carolina leadership committee includes nearly 130 senior pastors from some of the largest and most important churches across the state. Both groups represent Senator Obama’s support among thousands of Black clergy and religious leaders across America, leaders who have come to recognize that Obama represents change they can believe in.

“This is an unprecedented group for an unprecedented candidate,” said National African American Religious Committee Co-Chair Rev. Otis Moss, Jr., a civil rights legend and former president of the Morehouse University Board of Trustees. “As a lifelong advocate for the less fortunate and the forgotten, Senator Obama lives his faith everyday. He continues to talk about a faith that works to unite and not divide people.”

Obama often speaks about the role his faith plays in his public and family life and how it influences his approach to the great issues that face the country -- healthcare, education and poverty. The National African American Religious Leadership Committee meets on regular conference calls to support Senator Obama.

The South Carolina campaign has held Obama Faith Forums across the state, launched the “40 Days of Faith & Family” effort, and reached out to people of faith to help them organize within their own networks to spread the word about Obama. So far, the Obama campaign has recruited more than 200 Faith Community Contacts – grassroots church leaders who are identifying and educating voters in advance of the primary election – in 27 counties.

“Americans need a leader whose values are rooted in the belief that we must care for the least of these, that we have a responsibility to our fellow man and that if one of us is not succeeding, then all of us are not succeeding,” Canty said. “We believe that Senator Obama is that leader.”

A list of national and South Carolina ministers supporting Obama can be viewed by clicking the following links: South Carolina and national.


*Endorsements from religious leaders are extended in their personal capacity, and not on behalf of any house of worship, organization or denomination.

NATIONAL
Rev. Dr. Claude R. Alexander, Jr.
Senior Pastor
University Park Baptist Church
Charlotte, NC

Rev. Dr. Willie Barrow
Co-founder, Rainbow PUSH Coalition

Dr. Michael Battle
President, Interdenominational Theological Center
Atlanta, GA

Bishop Dr. Arthur M. Brazier
Senior Pastor
Apostolic Church of God
Chicago, IL

The Rt. Rev. E. Lynn Brown
Presiding Bishop, 2nd Episcopal District
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church

The Rev. Dr. Grainger Browning, Jr.
Senior Pastor
Ebenezer African Methodist Episcopal Church
Ft. Washington, MD

Dr. Iva E. Carruthers
General Secretary
Samuel DeWitt Proctor Conference

Dean Lawrence Edward Carter
Dean, Martin Luther King, Jr. International Chapel
Morehouse College

Dr. E.T. Caviness
Greater Abyssinian Baptist Church
Cleveland, Ohio

Rev. Dr. Delman L. Coates
Senior Pastor
Mt. Ennon Baptist Church
Clinton, MD

Rev. Dr. Marcus D. Cosby
Senior Pastor
Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church
Houston, TX

The Rt. Rev. Philip Robert Cousin, Sr.
Senior Bishop of the A.M.E. Church
Presiding Bishop, Fourth Episcopal District
African Methodist Episcopal Church

Rev. Dr. Gerald Durley
Senior Pastor
Providence Missionary Baptist Church
Atlanta, GA

Pastor Michael Eaddy
Senior Pastor
People's Church of the Harvest Church of God in Christ
Atlanta, Georgia

Rev. Dr. Cynthia Hale
Senior Pastor
Ray of Hope Christian Church
Atlanta, GA

Rev. Dr. Freddie D. Haynes, III
Senior Pastor
Friendship-West Baptist Church
Dallas, TX

Dr. Obery M. Hendricks
New York Theological Seminary

Rev. Dr. Arthur L. Hilson
Senior Pastor
New Hope Baptist Church
Portsmouth, NH

Rev. Dr. John Hunter, Sr.
Senior Pastor
First African Methodist Episcopal Church
Los Angeles, CA

Rev. Dr. M.L. Jemison
Former President, Progressive National Baptist
Senior Pastor, St. John Missionary Baptist Church
Oklahoma City, OK

Rev. Dr. Charles Jenkins
Senior Pastor
Fellowship Missionary Baptist Church
Chicago, IL

Rev. Dr. Matthew Vaughn Johnson
Senior Pastor
Christian Fellowship Baptist Church
Atlanta, GA

The Rt. Rev. T. Larry Kirkland
Presiding Bishop, 9th Episcopal District
African Methodist Episcopal Church

The Rev. Alvin Love
President
National Baptist General State Convention of Illinois

Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery
Civil Rights Icon
Founder, Former President, and Chair, Southern Christian Leadership
Conference

Bishop Cody V. Marshall
Presiding Bishop, Illinois Northern District
Church of God in Christ, Inc.

The Rt. Rev. E. Earl McCloud
Office of Ecumenical & Urban Affairs
African Methodist Episcopal Church

The Rt. Rev. Vashti Murphy McKenzie
Presiding Bishop, 13th Episcopal District
African Methodist Episcopal Church

Rev. Dr. Otis Moss, Jr.
Senior Pastor
Olivet Institutional Baptist Church

Rev. Otis Moss, III
Pastor
Trinity United Church of Christ
Chicago, IL

Rev. Dr. Craig Oliver
Senior Pastor
Elizabeth Baptist Church
Atlanta, GA

Rev. Joel R. Peebles
Jericho City of Praise
Landover, MD

Rev. Bertha Perkins
Senior Pastor, New Fellowship Baptist Church
Manchester, NH

Rev. Dr. Paul H. Sadler
Senior Pastor
Mt. Zion Congregational Church
Cleveland, OH

Dr. Kenneth L. Samuel
Senior Pastor
Victory for the World Church
Stone Mountain, GA

Rev. Dr. Barbara Williams Skinner
Co-founder and President
Skinner Leadership Institute

Rev. Dr. T. DeWitt Smith, Jr.
President
Progressive National Baptist Convention

Rev. Dr. J. Alfred Smith
Senior Pastor
Allen Temple Baptist Church
Oakland, CA

Rev. Dr. E. Dewey Smith, Jr.
Senior Pastor
Greater Travelers Rest Baptist Church
Atlanta, GA

Rev. Dr. Susan K. Smith
Senior Pastor
Advent United Church of Christ
Columbus, OH
Rev. Edward L. Taylor
Senior Pastor
Emmanuel Baptist Church
San Jose, CA

Bishop Walter Scott Thomas
Senior Pastor
New Psalmist Baptist Church
Baltimore, MD

Rev. Dr. Frank A. Thomas
Senior Pastor
Mississippi Boulevard Christian Church
Memphis, TN

Rev. Dr. Robert Thompson
Exeter Academy
Exeter, NH

Rev. Dr. Stephen John Thurston
President
National Baptist Convention of America

Bishop Larry D. Trotter
Senior Pastor
Sweet Holy Spirit Church
Chicago, IL

Rev. Albert D. Tyson, III
Senior Pastor
St. Stephen A.M.E. Church
Chicago, IL

Rev. Dr. C.T. Vivian
Civil Rights Icon

Pastor Lance Watson
Senior Pastor
The St. Paul's Baptist Church
Richmond, VA

Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.*
Senior Pastor
Trinity United Church of Christ
Chicago, IL
Senator Barack Obama's Pastor

So, when you read the bolded part, how is it any different than some of the statements President Bush has made, about his faith defining his approach to his pubic policy role? He's been castigized for that. Let's see now if those same people will be ofended when Obama does the same.
 

He does need to clarify, pronto. I don't believe he agrees with the leader. Like many folks who are part of organized religion, he needs to firmly explain where he parts ways with the obviously bizarre comments (or behavior) of the leader. Think Ted Haggard....Jimmy Swaggart...Jim Baker...and so on......

Exactly - I know he has come out in the past and said that there are things that he disagree with the Pastor on but I'd like to hear him clarify, given the recent news stories.
 
Exactly - I know he has come out in the past and said that there are things that he disagree with the Pastor on but I'd like to hear him clarify, given the recent news stories.

Same here..
 
Audacity - ironically enough.
did you read audacity of hope ? Dream tells how he met Wright....have you actually read either book?

If wright inspired obama to write the 2004 speech...then there is more to the man than the couple of speeches we have been shown...... because that speech was not written by or inspired by a racist!!
 
Exactly - I know he has come out in the past and said that there are things that he disagree with the Pastor on but I'd like to hear him clarify, given the recent news stories.



Same here.

When I sued to go to church there was minister who preached this sermon that I thought was total hogwash. Just because I went to the church, and liked the minister in general doesn't mean I agree with everything he says.
 
Audacity - ironically enough.

did you read audacity of hope ? Dream tells how he met Wright....have you actually read either book?

If wright inspired obama to write the 2004 speech...then there is more to the man than the couple of speeches we have been shown...... because that speech was not written by or inspired by a racist!!


Again - I want rose colored glasses because they sound like a lot of fun. :3dglasses

ETA - Heck no. I didnt spend a waking moment reading either book. Thanks.
 
According to the tone of these threads, the answer is yes, you are responsible for everything that has happened to those poor kids in Boston. Of course I'm being facetious. But, this thread will go for 12 or 13 pages with posts from folks who go to hypocritical churches, ....ignoring their own hypocrisy, preferring to mock someone else.

By the way, wasn't Ted Haggard a Baptist????? Gosh, I hope all the Baptists had the decency to leave their churches...:rolleyes1


It is so encouraging to know full well I have been BLESSED with being on the right side of these issues....i feel so sorry for these psuedo religous folks who choose only to see religion through the narrow scope of their own angry white upbringing
 
Again - I want rose colored glasses because they sound like a lot of fun. :3dglasses

ETA - Heck no. I didnt spend a waking moment reading either book. Thanks.

well then you should not have answered my first question...you actually don't know which book it was...you were only going off of one article you read ....

so i read and listen to all sides and come to a decision ...but i have rose colored glasses???
I'd rather have those on than blinders!!!!:thumbsup2
 
1) Obama's church affirms Black Liberation Theology. See this link for their talking points [scroll to last bulleted point] http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm

FWIW, I actually understand and am in solidarity to some extent with this theology myself. However I reject any and all political manifestations of it.

2) Black Liberation Theology contains an inherent understanding that spirituality IS NOT INDIVIDUALISTIC. This is especially significant about the discussion about Obama because that in itself makes it intellectually and spiritually dishonest to his own beliefs to separate him from the beliefs and practices of his church and pastor. They are part of the same spiritual team with a common vision and common goals, working under a shared mission statement. Read this link for a good starter-level article on Black Liberation Theology. I'll post a snip of the part I refer to...

http://www.wfu.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/twentyseven.html

There are many reasons why Christianity has not been real for blacks. To begin with, white Christianity emphasizes individualism, and divides the world into separate realms of the sacred and secular, public and private. Such a view of the world is alien to African-American spirituality. The Christianity that was communicated to blacks had as its primary focus life in world to come. This was at odds with traditional African spirituality which was focused on life in the present world. And if that were not enough, Christianity is hopelessly associated with slavery and segregation in the minds of many African-Americans

3) Black Liberation Theology contains the idea that white people are Satan. Don't believe me? Read the words of prominent theologian James Cone (from same article linked above)

Cone writes: "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.' The white structure of this American society, personified in every racist, must be at least part of what the New Testament meant by demonic forces...Ironically, the man who enslaves another enslaves himself...To be free to do what I will in relation to another is to be in bondage to the law of least resistance. This is the bondage of racism. Racism is that bondage in which whites are free to beat, rape, or kill blacks. About thirty years ago it was acceptable to lynch a black man by hanging him from a tree; but today whites destroy him by crowding him into a ghetto and letting filth and despair put the final touches on death."

James Cone wrote those words in 1968, and while they are dated, they still convey a powerful truth. What happened to Rodney King at the hands of the Los Angeles police continues to happen to black men with disturbing frequency. The jails and prisons are filling with black men. One third of all black men are now under the jurisdiction of the courts or prison system. And one of the principle reasons are drug laws designed to punish with mandatory prison terms those who use "rock cocaine" (the principle form of cocaine used in the black community because it is relatively inexpensive), while penalties for possession of the powder form (the form used by wealthy whites) are largely financial, and do not require one to serve time. Why would society design a criminal justice system with such disparate impact? Cone and many blacks would lay the blame at the feet of the demonic force of racism.

Having posted all this, I still do not think Trinity UCC is a hateful church -nor do I think Obama or Wright are hateful men. But if someone wants me to consider going into the voting booth and electing them to be my president I need to know why this separatist agenda has been the lynchpin of their spiritual lives for the past couple of decades.

For all the talk we do on here about how religion doesn't matter, this is why it matters to me in this case. This is the theology that has driven Obama to where he is today. This is what inspired him (I read it in his own book) and continues to do so today. I am all for justice, but is this arguably racist agenda the one I want on my president's mind and desk?
 
CathrynRose

This in the article you cited. It was one of the things that initially attracrted Sen. Obama to that particular church. Do you see this as a good or bad act on the part of the Pastor? Was it a worthy position to take?

"When he took over Trinity United Church of Christ in 1972, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. was a maverick pastor with a wardrobe of dashikis and a militant message.

Six years later, he planted a "Free South Africa" sign on the lawn of his church and asked other local religious leaders to follow his lead.

None took him up on the invitation.

The sign stayed until the end of apartheid,"
 
1) Obama's church affirms Black Liberation Theology. See this link for their talking points [scroll to last bulleted point] http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm

FWIW, I actually understand and am in solidarity to some extent with this theology myself. However I reject any and all political manifestations of it.

2) Black Liberation Theology contains an inherent understanding that spirituality IS NOT INDIVIDUALISTIC. This is especially significant about the discussion about Obama because that in itself makes it intellectually and spiritually dishonest to his own beliefs to separate him from the beliefs and practices of his church and pastor. They are part of the same spiritual team with a common vision and common goals, working under a shared mission statement. Read this link for a good starter-level article on Black Liberation Theology. I'll post a snip of the part I refer to...

http://www.wfu.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/twentyseven.html



3) Black Liberation Theology contains the idea that white people are Satan. Don't believe me? Read the words of prominent theologian James Cone (from same article linked above)



Having posted all this, I still do not think Trinity UCC is a hateful church -nor do I think Obama or Wright are hateful men. But if someone wants me to consider going into the voting booth and electing them to be my president I need to know why this separatist agenda has been the lynchpin of their spiritual lives for the past couple of decades.

For all the talk we do on here about how religion doesn't matter, this is why it matters to me in this case. This is the theology that has driven Obama to where he is today. This is what inspired him (I read it in his own book) and continues to do so today. I am all for justice, but is this arguably racist agenda the one I want on my president's mind and desk?

Actually I think most intelligent folks are eclectic in their theology. Obama isn't a one issue, one thought, blind follower...
 
Well, my heart goes out to the hundreds of boys that were abused by priests. I certainly hope there aren't any more church attenders in THAT faith....After all, anyone who continues to attend are showing their approval and support. :rolleyes1

:rolleyes: Since there has been abuse of both boys and girls in all faiths, I guess no one should attend church,synagogue, or mosque. There are many more good priests,preachers,and mullahs than there are bad.

Come up with an original argument. What Obama's pastor said was racist.

Racist-1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Discrimination-b: prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment

bigot-one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

I'm not saying that Obama believes everything his minister preaches but he should speak out about it. By not doing so, it seems that he condones what the preacher is saying.
 
Actually I think most intelligent folks are eclectic in their theology. Obama isn't a one issue, one thought, blind follower...

That's all well and good for anyone to think that -and you may be 100% correct, but what are we to do when all evidence about his spiritual mentor, spiritual family, and spiritual home says different?
 

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