Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[Fitswimmer]

This issue called for a well-thought out position of some substance and not a 30-second answer for the soundbite crowd.

 

[WildernessBride]

This issue called for a well-thought out position of some substance and not a 30-second answer for the soundbite crowd.

It had to be done this way, he realized that and too the bull by the horns, I was proud of his speech and I am proud of his candidacy.

 

[Chuck S]

I must say, I don't think he "threw his grandmother under the bus" I took it as, even your own, blood family, can say rude and insensitive things and you still love them. It happens all of the time in families. I don't see him as hurting his grandmother at all.

Again, you choose your church, you do not choose your grandparents. He made all kinds of excuses for his church (the minister grew up in different times, it is normal for Black churches to politicize from the pulpit, etc.) but yet he chose that church. No one twisted his arm. He basically admitted he had known of the racial rhetoric, and yet made the concious choice to continue his membership and attendance at that church.

 

[afcgirl]

John McCain will not be president. All the kool-aid in the world isn't going to change the fact that the economy is failing, people are falling further behind, the war success is an illusion, etc. But, that's not what matters to this conversation.

Here's what you will never understand about Obama's speech. It didn't divide us. It didn't play on our resentments, real or imagined. It didn't encourage our hatreds or our differences or prejudices. It encouraged us to acknowledge them and move on together.

His message was we all have our "skeletons" that we don't reveal in polite company and that's not a good enough reason to continue on the path we're on. We can do better.

It was an uplifting speech and not more of the "southern strategy" or "anti-immigrant" or "anti-affirmative action", etc. It wasn't anti-anything accept stupidity and being stuck in our resentments. We can do better.

Maybe you don't understand it because for nearly 30 years, your party has played the race/economic/immigration/etc. card from the bottom of the deck. The Republican/conservative philosophy has failed. It has failed to bring a better education for our children, economic security for our families, real security against our real enemies and the sorry list of failures goes on and on.

We're sick and tired of being divided into ever smaller "focus groups" to eek out a 1 vote victory. We're sick and tired of being told "we can't". We can. This is America.

The speech was against everything those on your side of the aisle have been preaching for years. We can do better.

What aisle is that? Are you assuming I am a Republican? Although I favor McCain currently, I have not ruled out Hilary. I am an independent. So there goes that theory.

At this point, if the democrats pick Obama over Hilary, I do not think they will win the general election. That is my opinion. And obviously you know nothing about McCain's viewpoints based on your comments above. He has not played the race card and wants amnesty for illegals. And I take a more optimistic view of America than you do. You see only the negatives about America, as extreme liberals usually do.

 

[lilyv]

To some people. I am not feeling the hope and inspiration, sorry.

No need to be sorry. Some folks find McCain very, very inspiring, others really, really like Clintons.

I do keep coming back to this: If your chosen candidate will make a great President, then just work on their campaign, and post away on your support thread why they're the best candidate your party has run in the last 20 years.

 

[crcormier]

But it gives the appearance of not being able to answer a question without a pre-written/approved response.

I think the topic was a little more broad and better approached by a speech than a question and answer forum.

Questions about policy? Sure, question and answer is great. This was really a moment that needed something more thought out and in depth.

 

[lilyv]

What aisle is that? Are you assuming I am a Republican? Although I favor McCain currently, I have not ruled out Hilary. I am an independent. So there goes that theory.

At this point, if the democrats pick Obama over Hilary, I do not think they will win the general election. That is my opinion. And obviously you know nothing about McCain's viewpoints based on your comments above. He has not played the race card and wants amnesty for illegals. And I take a more optimistic view of America than you do. You see only the negatives about America, as extreme liberals usually do.

Lots of negatives....Still, glad you like Clintons, also glad you like McCain. Lots of options out there- keep cheering for your folks!!! It's always good to be able to read why someone supports their candidate(s).

 

[Fitswimmer]

Again, you choose your church, you do not choose your grandparents. He made all kinds of excuses for his church (the minister grew up in different times, it is normal for Black churches to politicize from the pulpit, etc.) but yet he chose that church. No one twisted his arm. He basically admitted he heard knew of the racial rhetoric, and yet made the concious choice to continue his membership and attendance at that church.

he also explained why he chose that church:

People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend’s voice up into the rafters….And in that single note – hope! – I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones. Those stories – of survival, and freedom, and hope – became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn’t need to feel shame about…memories that all people might study and cherish – and with which we could start to rebuild.”
That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety – the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity’s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

I'm a Catholic, so I certainly can understand staying with your faith no matter what criminal and just plain stupid things the men who lead it have done. It's not easy, and many have found that they could not stay-and I respect them for that decision. I don't believe for one second that those of us who have chosen to stay support pedophila, or hatred for gays, or hatred for women who have chosen abortion-even though there have been Catholic leaders who have done such things and spoken of such things.

I don't want to think that all the followers of the right wing preachers like Hagee are full of hatred for Muslims and homosexuals either. I want to believe that they are good people who are trying to find their way to God.

I'm not ready to tar every person who belongs to a Church with the sins of every leader of that Church.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

No need to be sorry. Some folks find McCain very, very inspiring, others really, really like Clintons.

I do keep coming back to this: If your chosen candidate will make a great President, then just work on their campaign, and post away on your support thread why they're the best candidate your party has run in the last 20 years.

Personally I am not excited about ANY of them. So there ya go. I don't get the Obama hub bub, I am not a Hillary fan, and McCain, well he's McCain. Not my cup of tea either. I'm lost without a party (or candidate).

 

[chobie]

Personally I am not excited about ANY of them. So there ya go. I don't get the Obama hub bub, I am not a Hillary fan, and McCain, well he's McCain. Not my cup of tea either. I'm lost without a party (or candidate).

Might I suggest Nader?

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Might I suggest Nader?

Uh NO!

 

[punkin]

Might I suggest Nader?

NOT FUNNY.

 

[LuvDuke]

What aisle is that? Are you assuming I am a Republican? Although I favor McCain currently, I have not ruled out Hilary. I am an independent. So there goes that theory.

At this point, if the democrats pick Obama over Hilary, I do not think they will win the general election. That is my opinion. And obviously you know nothing about McCain's viewpoints based on your comments above. He has not played the race card and wants amnesty for illegals. And I take a more optimistic view of America than you do. You see only the negatives about America, as extreme liberals usually do.

What optimistic view is it that you take? What negatives do I espouse as an "extreme liberal"? I acknowledge this country has problems and deep problems. So? I also believe we can do better. Geez, we're not perfect.

So go ahead and enlighten me and the rest of the good folks here. But fair warning, there's enough of me on paper for someone to know when BS is being peddled about me.

 

[LuvDuke]

To some people. I am not feeling the hope and inspiration, sorry.

Nothing to be sorry about.

 

[wvjules]

No need to be sorry. Some folks find McCain very, very inspiring, others really, really like Clintons.

I do keep coming back to this: If your chosen candidate will make a great President, then just work on their campaign, and post away on your support thread why they're the best candidate your party has run in the last 20 years.

I didn't realize THIS thread was the Obama support thread. Did I make a wrong turn somewhere?

 

[chobie]

I didn't realize THIS thread was the Obama support thread. Did I make a wrong turn somewhere?

KOOL-AID!!!!!!

Feel better now? Don't worry, there is plenty of Obama-bashing still going on.

 

[lilyv]

I didn't realize THIS thread was the Obama support thread. Did I make a wrong turn somewhere?

No....I guess I'm just more optimistic as a general rule. I'm more about supporting a chosen candidate than being worked up about someone I don't support. Life's too short.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

I didn't realize THIS thread was the Obama support thread. Did I make a wrong turn somewhere?

Shoulda taken the right at Albuquerque.

 

[WildernessBride]

Again, you choose your church, you do not choose your grandparents. He made all kinds of excuses for his church (the minister grew up in different times, it is normal for Black churches to politicize from the pulpit, etc.) but yet he chose that church. No one twisted his arm. He basically admitted he had known of the racial rhetoric, and yet made the concious choice to continue his membership and attendance at that church.

I still don't see how he harmed his grandmother, that part makes no sense to me. Yes, you choose your church and not your family, but if you can't see that the "excuses" he made were not excuses but actually a way to explain the other side of what so many people see as a completely black/white issue (not race, but either I approve or disapprove, with no in between). We here are probably too young to remember what Jim Crow did to this nation. Put yourself in the place of a person who was young when Jim Crow laws forced people to sit at the back of the bus, eat in segregated restaurants, even when blacks served in the armed forces they served in segregated forces...would this cause you to perhaps question your nation, especially the one you are putting your life on the line for? Obama said Wright's comments were unacceptable and devisive, but he had to put the pastor in perspective, and I think he accomplished that.

 

[denisenh]

Personally I am not excited about ANY of them. So there ya go. I don't get the Obama hub bub, I am not a Hillary fan, and McCain, well he's McCain. Not my cup of tea either. I'm lost without a party (or candidate).