BOG breakfast for Mine train warning! Early ride not guaranteed

[Plaid Princess]

They should be sending dining guests around to the rope drop area if they finish their breakfast before park open. It's completely unfair to guests who can't get a dining/BBB reservation to lose the opportunity to enjoy a short wait because people cheat the system and hang around outside the attraction before it opens.

 

[Tarheel girl 1975]

They should be sending dining guests around to the rope drop area if they finish their breakfast before park open. It's completely unfair to guests who can't get a dining/BBB reservation to lose the opportunity to enjoy a short wait because people cheat the system and hang around outside the attraction before it opens.

Again, the vast majority of people going to breakfast at BOG are actually eating breakfast. How long does it take to eat a cronut? And when they are done, they are waiting exactly where the CMs tell them too. They're not allowed to walk around the park aimlessly.

As for unfair, while I understand that not everyone can get an ADR at BOG, not everyone can get a FP for A&E or 7DMT either.

 

[larryz]

They should be sending dining guests around to the rope drop area if they finish their breakfast before park open. It's completely unfair to guests who can't get a dining/BBB reservation to lose the opportunity to enjoy a short wait because people cheat the system and hang around outside the attraction before it opens.

Well, then, perhaps you can write Guest Relations and suggest they do just that, if you don't think it's fair.

 

[coastalhh]

we had an 8:05 BOG reservation this AM. We were done eating & out waiting near Mine Train at 8:30. They did not let us in early. They told us we had to wait until they saw the rope droppers come around the corner, near teacups/pooh. Once the masses showed up, they held us back & made us get at the END OF THE LINE. We jumped out & went to SM. We were at the very back of the RD pack . We ran into another family that was waiting with us, outside of BOG, THE DAD WAS LIVUD. They were in the exact opposite situation earlier in the week. They were at the fron of the RD pack & the BOG people were sent in first.

Sorry about your experience. We did BoG 8:05 also Sunday July 26th finished about 8:45/8:50 and got in line as the second family for anna and elsa. We waited until shortly after 9 and we're let right in. Waited by the carousel until then.

 

[cakebaker]

It's true- There are not unlimited numbers of BOG ADRS. The place only holds so many people- not sure what Disney should do about that.

One minute someone complains how expensive it is and how bad the food is, the next thing you know ADRs are too scarce. Go figure.

 

[dbramer]

They should be sending dining guests around to the rope drop area if they finish their breakfast before park open. It's completely unfair to guests who can't get a dining/BBB reservation to lose the opportunity to enjoy a short wait because people cheat the system and hang around outside the attraction before it opens.

The people at RD do not have a short wait at 7DMT unless they are in the front of the line. At 9:05 there is a 90 minute wait. So is it fair that others are in front of you in the RD line? Should they let everyone in at once and allow a stampede with the no rules? Those lucky enough to get an ADR to BOG or CRT will have an advantage, those who get there early to RD will have an advantage. It is what it is. As I said in a PP, I got my 8:05 yesterday....keep looking, they do come up. The idea that everything has to be fair is inane....

 

[cakebaker]

They should be sending dining guests around to the rope drop area if they finish their breakfast before park open. It's completely unfair to guests who can't get a dining/BBB reservation to lose the opportunity to enjoy a short wait because people cheat the system and hang around outside the attraction before it opens.

So because BOG books up, those who do book should have to walk all the way thru the park to get to it, then walk all the way back to the front, then all the way back to SDMT because you couldn't get an ADR???

In a word ...ridiculous.

No one is cheating the system. Disney has CM's who are there for no other reason than to hold bog diners until just before the rope droppers arrive and then take them to the fp+ line to ride. This costs rope droppers nothing- not 1 second of ride time. BOG diners are in and out before the first rope dropper is boarding.

How about the guests who get upgrades at the resort? Not fair! My grandson got a private session with Crush after Turtle Talk ended our last trip - totally unfair!!

These things you think are unfair I call a little pixie dust and I'd hate to see WDW become so centered on equal and fair that they don't happen anymore.

 

[Rosebud123]

They should be sending dining guests around to the rope drop area if they finish their breakfast before park open. It's completely unfair to guests who can't get a dining/BBB reservation to lose the opportunity to enjoy a short wait because people cheat the system and hang around outside the attraction before it opens.

I don't think anyone is losing an opportunity for a short wait. BOG guests are typically being allowed to ride before the RD crowd arrives at the attraction. If anything, that's giving the RD crew a shorter wait because the BOG folks aren't mixing in with them to ride!

 

[OurLaughingPlace]

I will be at BOG tomorrow at 8:05. We had to cancel the first two days of our trip due to some financial difficulties. I had A&E and 7DMT at 60 days out. We had to cancel the days six days out. Obviously, there was nothing left for either. We got an 8:05 BOG yesterday and plan to use it so that my daughter can see A&E. 7DMT we will just have to standby and pray for less than 90 minute waits. We did everything right and due to the innate unfairness of life, we lost our FP's for the single most important m&g of our trip. So, life is not fair and fair is not equitable. Everyone has the same shot at FP's and ADR's (especially ADR's). That is fair. Fair is not equal and equality is a pipe dream. There is no way to make everyone equal. Fairness is obtainable and Disney does about a good a job as any. Am I entitled to get a head start on the RD crowds at the main gate...no. Should I be held back because I was at the back of the park at 9AM when the park officially opens? A resounding H E double hockeysticks No. I will post a report tomorrow night about my "cheating" to get to A&E.

Looking forward to hearing your report on BOG experience this morning (we also have an 8:05 ADR in late August). I really hope everything is going well for you, especially after the changes you had to make to your trip. Pixie dust to you for a great trip

 

[Aerinha]

I never understood this policy and personally think no one should be on a ride before park opening. If you want to eat breakfast anywhere eat there for the food not for an advantage BUT Disney allows this so it is what it is and guests who booked BOG expecting this perk have understandable frustration that the policy varies by the day.

I would never book pre park breakfast because there is no guarantee you will be done in time. Power in kitchens go out, servers forget to place orders (once I spent 2 hours at a non Dis restaurant because of this and still left having only had water and a roll) and food comes out wrong and has to be sent back....

What Dis needs to do is adopt a policy and stick to it.

 

[cakebaker]

I never understood this policy and personally think no one should be on a ride before park opening

They aren't. The park is open before anyone rides anything.

Personally I don't want everything pinned down by rules set in stone. Some our best memories are from unexpected, spur of the moment events.

 

[River Country]

I know I may catch heat for what I am about to say but....this whole not fair thing is this like "everyone gets a trophy for playing?"

Hey you got an 8:05 MK ADR in one of 3 spots CRT, BOG, or CP. You get to walk up Main Street with practically no one else there and take it all in. The person or family at the front of the RD line has waited as long if not longer at the gate then it took you to eat your cronut or $20 egg sandwich. Your ADR gets you a dining reservation and should not get you anything else IMHO.

Is it fair that I have access to EMH's because I stay at a Disney Resort and others don't? There are certain "perks" that Disney offers but access to an attraction before anyone else because of an ADR is just not one of them.

I think that the Tusker House 8:05 is an awesome ADR as well in AK and it puts me that much closer to KS, but I still book an early FP+ for it

 

[ArwenMarie]

I think they can do whatever they want. If they want to construct a tent-tunnel up Main Street to Crystal Palace and BOG so no one can get those early morning pictures because that wouldn't be fair, that is up to them. If they want to make everyone who had a breakfast ADR walk all the way out of the park and back in again, that is up to them.

I think the biggest thing is that the policies need to be consistent so people have a reasonable expectation as to what they are going to get when they book.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

I don't think the breakfast guests should be sent back to the gates. The big question is are they entitled to expect that because they booked an early breakfast, they will be allowed on the ride before anyone gets there from the gates, every time? Most of the time it does work that way, but were they unconscionably deprived of something they were entitled to expect the few times that it didn't?

 

[TeresaMRoberts]

From Disney's standpoint it's problematic because it costs them money they can't recoup off another guest. If I blow off my 11:00 ADR, they get my $10 plus $20 from a guest who walks in and takes my table. If I blow off my pre-park ADR, they get my $10... and that's it. Nobody can walk up and claim my table because without the ADR they can't get in. I'm paying less than they anticipated and they can't make it up.

That's exactly what I was thinking as I'm going though reading this thread. But NOW with the new magicband technology I think they should make it so if you scan into the park in time to make your pre-park reservation and then never show up those people should get $50 cancellation fee. Would stop it completely because to some, money is not a problem. But at least Disney still getting $$. I to got a BOG for 8:05 (i'm taking a mini trip with out the kids just me) so I was excited think I'll be able to eat and quickly (no bathroom breaks or saying "hurry up and finish") lol with the thoughts i'll be able to be int he park early. But I FULLY intended on eating and using that ADR... Just my 2 cents.... Then if you never even showed up to park or regular time of day you'd get the regular fees...

 

[Tarheel girl 1975]

That's exactly what I was thinking as I'm going though reading this thread. But NOW with the new magicband technology I think they should make it so if you scan into the park in time to make your pre-park reservation and then never show up those people should get $50 cancellation fee. Would stop it completely because to some, money is not a problem. But at least Disney still getting $$. I to got a BOG for 8:05 (i'm taking a mini trip with out the kids just me) so I was excited think I'll be able to eat and quickly (no bathroom breaks or saying "hurry up and finish") lol with the thoughts i'll be able to be int he park early. But I FULLY intended on eating and using that ADR... Just my 2 cents.... Then if you never even showed up to park or regular time of day you'd get the regular fees...

Do we know that no-shows at BOG are actually a problem? I haven't heard anyone on this board say that they had an ADR but skipped it just to ride 7DMT. Someone previously said that they "no-showed" at Akershus, but that was when M&G lines to A&E were 4-5 hours long so it's not relevant right now. It just seems like people are getting upset about something that is not necessarily a problem.

 

[marinejjh]

I agree with some of the previous statements. No everyone should not get a trophy. And if you would wait 4-5 hours for A&E that is just dumb. If your kid throws a fit they are probably spoiled brats. There is lots to do with lots of magic. When we went 2 yeas ago neither of the new things were even there. We nev er waited more than 30 mon in any lines, my kids realize there is other things to do like ride 5 or 6 things or wait Ina really long line.

 

[ShinyRedGloss]

Just booked my October BOG breakfast ADR, and I do believe I am entitled to ride before the main crowd but it would be nice to be on one of the first two trains on the mine ride.

 

[lroger01]

Okay, I haven't read ALL of the 18 pages of comments, so I may have missed this one.

Why did people wait? I'm a rule follower like most people, but if 1 or 2 CM's told me I had to wait to leave BOG AFTER the park had opened, I would have said "Hey the park is open!" and walked past them. If they wanted to call security, then go for it. The park was open, I'm done with and paid for my breakfast, let me at the rides!!!!

Now I can see the OP being so surprised or in the back or something. But now if it happened, I would think someone would be brave enough to say "No way Jose!"

 

[Angel Ariel]

Lots of people go in October, there are lots of schools that are on a balanced calendar and have 2 weeks off. I think the fast pass system sucks because of that.

We had availability issues in November. Short hours + party season = (for us) no fp+ for a&e, even at midnight ay 60 days. 5 mins after signing in, there was no sdmt either (thankfully I got it before that and was only trying to change times).