BOG breakfast for Mine train warning! Early ride not guaranteed

[cakebaker]

There are reports from TODAY indicated that people with early BOG ADRs were allowed to ride 7DMT without being detained. Same with yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that. OP had an unusual experience.

The subject seems to have a life of it's own at this point.

 

[Tex]

We did BoG at 8am this morning. The park opened at 9am. We finished breakfast at 8:45 and walked over to mine train. I wasn't wxpecting too much and told the family we may have to go to big thunder. Anyway, there were 4 cast members at the pathway to 7drawrfs and they held us back. I asked the cm if we would be able to go on 7 drawfs soon or would we wait for rope droppers to go in. She said she didn't know and that they do it differently every day. The kids wanted to walk over to big thunder. A few minutes later a supervisor walked over and told us we could go on the 7drawrfs FP+ line. There was about 30 of us waiting and we all got in line. They let us board and we saw the rope droppers get in the standby line. We were happy campers.

 

[cakebaker]

My DS and I will enjoy our breakfast and hope for the best with the standby line when we exit and wait IN THE LINE outside of BOG

There is, or at least there wasn't a line formed with those exiting BOG for us. It was more just a group of people waiting. There aren't enough people from BOG to worry about forming a line- they're all getting on the first ride no matter what. Sure, a couple of people rushed past us, but there really was no need for it. We were all going to ride it at basically the same time.

If they do it as they did for us, they will put you in the FP+ line. You shouldn't have to worry about dealing with the standby line at all.

 

[cakebaker]

I don't understand why anybody needs to be there at rope drop anyways, most rides are virtually walk-on through most of the day even during the summer.

Your not so subtle dig is noted....

Not in my experience. We find many rides have significant wait times depending on the time of day. We've just found ways to avoid the lines and still ride the attractions. There's a difference between no lines and not waiting in lines. Rope drop is a part of our strategy, but one can still avoid a lot of waiting in line even without it using other tactics. We hate lines- we use all the ways available to avoid almost all of them.

 

[DisneyWishes14]

There is, or at least there wasn't a line formed with those exiting BOG for us. It was more just a group of people waiting. There aren't enough people from BOG to worry about forming a line- they're all getting on the first ride no matter what. Sure, a couple of people rushed past us, but there really was no need for it. We were all going to ride it at basically the same time.

If they do it as they did for us, they will put you in the FP+ line. You shouldn't have to worry about dealing with the standby line at all.

We actually want to do standby. My DS wants to play the games and doesn't really care if we get on the ride. He has a DAS and we always go in the FP+ (with the DAS, we don't schedule FP+ for 7DMT as we can use his card and someone else can then use that FP+). I guess I'll talk to a CM to see if we can go in the standby line. I suppose it might mean having to go in back of the RD line. I'm getting the feeling that there is no good way to minimize our standby wait so my son can play the games.

 

[GaryDis]

Yes, I understand that. But how is that any more "legitimate" than the line that is forming and being supervised by a CM outside of BOG?

It could be just as legitimate. Disney gets to decide how to treat them, and can choose to put the BOG group first, second, or in between. I'm not saying that one approach is objectively more fair or more legitimate than the other, I'm just trying to explain the rationale behind this particular approach. As I said in my subsequent thread, there can be different ways to do things, each of which can be considered fair to an extent.

 

[ArwenMarie]

The problem with screaming "fairness" is that there's more than one way to do things fairly.

Consider EPCOT's International Gateway:

1. They could synchronize rope drop to be the exact same time at the front and at IG - that would be fair.
2. They could open IG a couple of minutes earlier, to compensate for the longer walk to FW (the only part that's open at RD time) - that would be fair, too.
3. They could have separate lines at Soarin', TT, and MS for the main gate and IG people, and alternate taking people from each line - that would also be fair.

I wrote earlier that fairness is an innate sense that's triggers strong feelings. But it's also a subtle, slippery concept. It's entirely possible to have two or more strategies, all of which are fair in their own ways.

In this case, they should let the IG people in early because WS is closed at park opening. 1 isn't fair imo

 

[themommy]

I'd be livid too! Disney can't be ignorant of the fact that people often do pre-park opening ADRs just to get an edge on the crowds.

Between this report and the ridiculous rope drop procedure happening at AK, I am just shaking my head.

I know this is a little off topic but, what ridiculous rope drop procedure at AK?

 

[NavyDad]

15 pages of discussion for something that happened one time to about 20 people. Isn't the internet grand?

(and I'm not judging btw. Heck, I read most of it! lol)

I have come to realize the Theme Park board is like the Jerry Springer of the DIS boards LOL

When you cut through all the drama and outrage over entitlements, obligations and all such nonsense, IMO the most important thing in this thread is the OP and others who have been there since sharing their experiences with us so we can make informed decisions based on what is actually happening in the parks. Once you cut through the snark and the fake (or not) outrage the first hand reports of how things are actually working can be very helpful.

When we ate at BOG pre-RD in June we were able to get in seperate lines for A&E and/or 7DMT that put us at these attractions just in front of the RD crowd. However we didn't experience being able to ride multiple times like some others have previously reported. It sounds like maybe the experience the OP reported was a 1 day thing but it is very helpful in the decision making proccess to get reports of what is going on.

For us, the experience of being in the MK and walking down Main Street almost by ourselves is an incentive that makes us more likely to pay the money for a pre-RD breakfast ADR. However if OP's experience becomes the norm I don't think we would feel like our Disney Civil Rights were violated (TIC) but we would be extremely less likely to want to eat at BOG. At that point we would probably still get an pre-RD ADR but would switch back to Crystal Palace which we love (and IMO is a better overal all value because omelettes).

 

[larryz]

You book breakfast at 8:00am, you arrive and are served breakfast at 8:00am (or likely 8:30am, but that's just the nature of ADR). You are served food, you pay your bill, you leave. Once you walk out the door, anything "owed" to you by the contract (for lack of a better word) you made with Disney by booking the ADR is fulfilled.

Disney does not promise early rides, extra rides, or front of the line privilege with a pre-park ADR. Disney "must know" that's why you wanted an 8am ADR for BOG? Maybe Disney thinks you....well....you want to eat at BOG for breakfast?

If they thought it was a big deal, or unfair, or anything else, they'd escort you back to the front gate after you finished eating to wait with the huddled masses.

 

[larryz]

Have you ever walked into a bank, or DMV, or somewhere, see the tellers open, and run up to them, expecting to be helped right away, only to have them look at you funny and say "um... the line is over there"... pointing to the huge line around the other half of the room. That is what you're doing here. You're getting in the park, *NOT* waiting in line, then when you're ready, saying you are ENTITLED to go ahead of everyone else who is legitimately standing in line for the SDMT. That's just not right. Remember the A&E situation at Epcot 2 yrs ago? People would get there at 7:30, be first in line, run to A&E, only to find there were 100 ppl mysteriously there and it was a 3-hour wait. They were of course ppl who got Akershus ressies and either ate fast or skipped them and either paid the cancel fee or tried to beg a CM on the phone later to change the ADR to not have to pay it. If you are there first, and you get in line, then you should get to go first. That is the nature of rope drop.

Now you've found a way to cut (and feel good about it) since 2011. Good for you. I have no problem w that. But the expectation that you are entitled to do that because you did it before is flawed. If at any point Disney actually makes you wait in line like everyone else, they would be doing the rope-droppers a service.



I've been doing it for a lot longer.

That doesn't mean I expect to get it. Big difference. It is something I've learned how to do, a way to cut in line and get away w it. But if Disney says "no there is a line you can't just cut in because some people have been waiting over an hour" then that's that. I would not be irate, yell at the CMs, or anything like that.

To eat at that 8:05 ADR, you had to get there at 7:50 or so. How many of those standing in line got there that early?

 

[suebedo]

Worse than fuzzy logic. "MrInfinity" is completely misrepresenting the OP.



In order to make that early ADR, they did not bypass anyone. They likely arrived BEFORE those entering at RD, because they had to arrive early enough to get to the restaurant for an 8 am ADR. For a 9 am opening, very few people show up more than one hour early. People with those early ADRs were necessarily at the front of the line. It's beyond ridiculous to equate going to your ADR with "getting out of line."

Again, we're not talking about riding early. Once the park is open, it's open. Those eating breakfast (and waiting "in line" after breakfast is over for at least as long as some of the people that were let in ahead of them) should not be prevented from moving freely about the park once it's open. That kind of arbitrary restriction is analogous to deciding that everyone at the left side tapstiles must wait until after the right side has gone in, regardless of whether the left side people were waiting longer or not.

OP was made to wait until after ALL guests entering from Main Street had entered the line. There were surely MANY of those guests who arrived long after the OP.

Correct, we got on the bus at 6:50 am. Arrived at park at 7:10 ish and waited in line until they let us in at 7:45 ish. Then after our 8:05 am breakfast which we ate & paid for, got to SDMT at 8:30 and waited.
We didn't do it just for an early ride. We also wanted to eat at BOG. An early ride would have been nice but oh well. I just wanted to spread the word so that no one cancelled a FP or anything like that.

 

[suebedo]

FWIW, There was hardly even a full carload of us in that line. ,y guess it was 15-20 people tops. Most people were still eating.

 

[Tarheel girl 1975]

We actually want to do standby. My DS wants to play the games and doesn't really care if we get on the ride. He has a DAS and we always go in the FP+ (with the DAS, we don't schedule FP+ for 7DMT as we can use his card and someone else can then use that FP+). I guess I'll talk to a CM to see if we can go in the standby line. I suppose it might mean having to go in back of the RD line. I'm getting the feeling that there is no good way to minimize our standby wait so my son can play the games.

We ended up in the very front of the rope drop crowd last year when my DD had a 8am BBB appointment. Because we were at the front, we walked straight through the line and didn't really have time to stop and play the games.

 

[cakebaker]

We ended up in the very front of the rope drop crowd last year when my DD had a 8am BBB appointment. Because we were at the front, we walked straight through the line and didn't really have time to stop and play the games.

My grandson loved playing the games- we just let people by who wanted to pass up playing and had no trouble letting him play as long as he wanted.

 

[sleepymouse]

Correct, we got on the bus at 6:50 am. Arrived at park at 7:10 ish and waited in line until they let us in at 7:45 ish. Then after our 8:05 am breakfast which we ate & paid for, got to SDMT at 8:30 and waited.
We didn't do it just for an early ride. We also wanted to eat at BOG. An early ride would have been nice but oh well. I just wanted to spread the word so that no one cancelled a FP or anything like that.

I really appreciate you sharing your experience. Thanks also for posting the latest RD procedures at the other parks

 

[DisneyWishes14]

My grandson loved playing the games- we just let people by who wanted to pass up playing and had no trouble letting him play as long as he wanted.

This is what we are hoping to do. We will just let people know they can pass by us. We did this at Winnie the Pooh, too. My DS was actually disappointed when he got to the end of the interactive area and went on the ride!

 

[jjsdad]

quick question about breakfast at BOG. If you go in with 4 people can you share 2 meals?

 

[Tex]

Yes you can share meals. The serving sizes are large and perfect for sharing.

 

[Tex]

Also the open faced egg sandwich has 2 eggs and the croque monster has 1 egg. But the croque has more meat. Both are very good. Well, we like them. And you will get a plate of pastries too.