BOG breakfast for Mine train warning! Early ride not guaranteed

[mummabear]

Again, we're not talking about riding early. Once the park is open, it's open. Those eating breakfast (and waiting "in line" after breakfast is over for at least as long as some of the people that were let in ahead of them) should not be prevented from moving freely about the park once it's open. That kind of arbitrary restriction is analogous to deciding that everyone at the left side tapstiles must wait until after the right side has gone in, regardless of whether the left side people were waiting longer or not

 

[LaurenT]

Has the OP or anyone tried writing a letter to Guest Services, asking about this? They probably won't get into details, but might they confirm what the policy is?

I mentioned it in passing to the CM on the specialty tours line whe booking my Wanyama Safari ... She had no idea it was happening ... But it's totally not her area so I don't think she'd know. I have three BOG breakfasts booked because I think it's so much nicer to relax over breakfast than stand out in the heat. But if they stop me from getting on a line until after everyone else from the front of the park has already dispersed to all the different lines, I'll cancel the last two breakfasts ... Eat at the resort and just get to the park after the stampede has run its course. My DH has Parkinson's and my DD has aspergers .... Starting the day as part of a herd is not good for my family.

 

[magicbob]

If that's directed at me, I didn't say anything close to that. These people have gotten up early and waited for a long time just to get on the ride quickly. To have other people get in front of them would not be welcomed and I don't blame them. It's the confusion that would cause problems- why are these people who they don't know where the heck they came from, allowed to enter without getting behind them? They weren't given a choice as to how to arrive at the entrance- so my point is it might just cause issues- not that the rope drop crowd is some evil hoard not to be messed with.

It was a joke. I neglected to include an appropriately silly emoticon to make that clear.

 

[Boopuff]

Wow reading this has my stress level through the roof! I've never done a RD but I have had early breakfast in the park. I did EPCOT years ago but they just let us out of the restaurant to wander freely. I think the reason for holding back is just how volatile the situation is with most of the RD crowd in a single hive mindset to reach 7DMT. And if you're thinking like the rest of the hive the BOG eaters wouldn't be part of your hive and that leads to a bunch of angry RD bees! (how dare the BOG eaters get to cut in front! We've been waiting forever!) Ah the drama!

 

[magicbob]

Cue finger snaps...

When you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way...
From your first FastPass Plus, to your last dyin' die.

 

[summer621]

Just wanted to chime in and state that even if you are there for RD, cast members don't let you "go right to the ride". They escort you through the park and open ropes as you go. Now we have never had breakfast ADRs (hoping to get BOG for October!) but I wouldn't expect to be in front of the cast members leading the RD crowd through the park. And I agree that getting on before RD crowds would just be extra pixie dust!

Hope we all get some! But honestly, I never have!

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Just wanted to chime in and state that even if you are there for RD, cast members don't let you "go right to the ride". They escort you through the park and open ropes as you go. Now we have never had breakfast ADRs (hoping to get BOG for October!) but I wouldn't expect to be in front of the cast members leading the RD crowd through the park. And I agree that getting on before RD crowds would just be extra pixie dust!
Hope we all get some! But honestly, I never have!

That's a good way to look at it. Sometimes early adrs work out. Sometimes they don't. A long time ago before these particular things were even in the park, we had a one hour before the park opens reservation at the crystal palace so we could get castle pictures with nobody there and get done in time to be first in line. Well that went sour when they threw a surprise emh in on us. It became a when the park opens ADR. So naturally, the rope drop rope was up and we couldn't get in front of the castle and instead of eating and getting to the Front of the line, everyone was riding while we were eating breakfast. Lucky us. HAHA. And it's for that reason I never suggest someone just go get a tour plan and follow it without knowing the whys too. If you don't know the whys, you can't make the adjustment. We wanted to go there anyway, but it is for that reason that I'd never make before the park opens adrs for some place we don't otherwise want to go to anyway.

 

[MrInfinity]

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying. The OP, myself, and anyone else who has done this is making an efficient decision. Instead of standing at the gate like cattle for an hour and then entering the park like they're being chased by a zombie horde, they get to enter the park in a leisurely manner free of crowds, have a great breakfast, and then get to take their place in a ride line early. I'm doing my waiting in a restaurant instead of at the gate. I'm not seeing the unfairness in that. Anyone could make the same choice. It's not my fault that they don't.

Have you ever walked into a bank, or DMV, or somewhere, see the tellers open, and run up to them, expecting to be helped right away, only to have them look at you funny and say "um... the line is over there"... pointing to the huge line around the other half of the room. That is what you're doing here. You're getting in the park, *NOT* waiting in line, then when you're ready, saying you are ENTITLED to go ahead of everyone else who is legitimately standing in line for the SDMT. That's just not right. Remember the A&E situation at Epcot 2 yrs ago? People would get there at 7:30, be first in line, run to A&E, only to find there were 100 ppl mysteriously there and it was a 3-hour wait. They were of course ppl who got Akershus ressies and either ate fast or skipped them and either paid the cancel fee or tried to beg a CM on the phone later to change the ADR to not have to pay it. If you are there first, and you get in line, then you should get to go first. That is the nature of rope drop.

Now you've found a way to cut (and feel good about it) since 2011. Good for you. I have no problem w that. But the expectation that you are entitled to do that because you did it before is flawed. If at any point Disney actually makes you wait in line like everyone else, they would be doing the rope-droppers a service.

Go read my posts....I tell people to do this all the time at H&V to ensure a spot in JTA AND to get a ride in at TSM. I've been doing that since 2011, with a 100% success rate.

I've been doing it for a lot longer.

That doesn't mean I expect to get it. Big difference. It is something I've learned how to do, a way to cut in line and get away w it. But if Disney says "no there is a line you can't just cut in because some people have been waiting over an hour" then that's that. I would not be irate, yell at the CMs, or anything like that.

 

[MrInfinity]

To follow this logic, how DARE those people with FPs relax over lunch, stroll up to Toy Story Mania at 1:00 and waltz right in for the ride? Don't they know people have been standing in line for an hour waiting their turn? Why should they get to go relax over lunch and then expect to hop right on a ride?

Oh, that's right...they PLANNED! And that's what people with early ADRs are doing as well. And, honestly, they've arrived before the people who get there at 8:00. So they've been waiting even longer. They just better managed their time while waiting. AND they're paying for the privilege as well. I mean $20 for a little breakfast isn't exactly a bargain. But people are willing to do it because of the early park admission. (And I'm not addressing those who make the reservation and never show up--I'm talking about those who have every intention of going to eat first and then getting a jump start into the park.)

The difference is the person going to the ADR does not have a FastPass. The person with the FP *is* entitled to go thru the FastPass lane. The person w the ADR is eating instead of waiting in line. It's not "planning" to say "i'm not going to wait in line. I'm going to go eat instead, then cut in line when I'm done, and lay into the CM if they tell me I have to wait in line". [ROFL].

Now if you are suggesting get a 9am FastPass to SDMT, then you are totally justified.

 

[Ariel Wanna-be]

Yeah, sorry, it's not fun if the park is open for the day and you are literally being held back from getting in a line. You need to re-read the OP's post. OP never mentioned she was "entitled" to get in line before the RD people. What she mentioned is she was held back at park opening and told to get in the back of the line. That's not cool. Hasn't this already been covered in this thread?

Yes. Yes, it has. Ad nauseam.

Yet, people are still pretending that the OP was railing against the injustice that she did not get to ride five times before the great unwashed arrived.

 

[lugnut33]

If I were you, I'd speak to the CM's in the holding area and explain this plan to avoid a problem. We were directed to the FP+ line- we did not have the option of going past to the standby line and I can understand why.

There is a huge mass of people trying to enter that line and at that point, they've been set free from the rope and are moving with a purpose. To try and head towards them, coming in the opposite direction and enter right at the entrance rather than getting behind them could cause you big problems. This crowd means business and I wouldn't be surprised of someone took issue with you doing that- whether you're entitled to do it or not. I suspect this is why the OP was not allowed to enter the ride at the entrance, but was told to get behind others.

One of the things that has confused me from the first time I read this was the comment that the op was forced to go to the back of the line. When the rope drop crowd gets to the ride, it is quite some time before the first rush of people have all arrived and the normal ebb and flow of people joining the line starts. I suspect what actually happened was as I described above- they were directed past the entrance and had to turn around and head back toward the ride with the crowd- or the tail end of it at least. To wait for the entire rope drop crowd to enter before allowing them to enter would take quite some time. Not saying the OP is being dishonest, I just don't see the "end of the line" happening for a long period of time. Perhaps they were held for 10-15 minutes- and that would explain it, but the OP did not specify how long they were held.

While everyone who has a valid ticket is entitled to enter attractions just like anyone else, CM's have an obligation to make sure it's done safely and holding people up from entering, even while others enter is not violating anyone's rights.

I don't understand why anybody needs to be there at rope drop anyways, most rides are virtually walk-on through most of the day even during the summer.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Yes. Yes, it has. Ad nauseam.
Yet, people are still pretending that the OP was railing against the injustice that she did not get to ride five times before the great unwashed arrived.

There are 14 pages of posts other than the OP and yes, some of those posts have been complaining about the injustice or unfairness of it. No pretense needed.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I don't understand why anybody needs to be there at rope drop anyways, most rides are virtually walk-on through most of the day even during the summer.

Because we're talking about one of the rides that isn't.

 

[DisneyWishes14]

Have you ever walked into a bank, or DMV, or somewhere, see the tellers open, and run up to them, expecting to be helped right away, only to have them look at you funny and say "um... the line is over there"... pointing to the huge line around the other half of the room. That is what you're doing here. You're getting in the park, *NOT* waiting in line, then when you're ready, saying you are ENTITLED to go ahead of everyone else who is legitimately standing in line for the SDMT

Sorry, again not buying it. How is waiting in a herd in the front of the park construed as a "legitimate line" for 7DMT? And how is that line more "legitimate" than the line that's formed outside BOG?

And, your bank analogy doesn't make sense either. So the person who parks closer to the bank should be held at the door to allow the person who parked further back to enter first? Yeah. Doesn't make sense does it?

 

[jtowntoflorida]

Have you ever walked into a bank, or DMV, or somewhere, see the tellers open, and run up to them, expecting to be helped right away, only to have them look at you funny and say "um... the line is over there"... pointing to the huge line around the other half of the room. That is what you're doing here. You're getting in the park, *NOT* waiting in line, then when you're ready, saying you are ENTITLED to go ahead of everyone else who is legitimately standing in line for the SDMT. That's just not right. Remember the A&E situation at Epcot 2 yrs ago? People would get there at 7:30, be first in line, run to A&E, only to find there were 100 ppl mysteriously there and it was a 3-hour wait. They were of course ppl who got Akershus ressies and either ate fast or skipped them and either paid the cancel fee or tried to beg a CM on the phone later to change the ADR to not have to pay it. If you are there first, and you get in line, then you should get to go first. That is the nature of rope drop.

Now you've found a way to cut (and feel good about it) since 2011. Good for you. I have no problem w that. But the expectation that you are entitled to do that because you did it before is flawed. If at any point Disney actually makes you wait in line like everyone else, they would be doing the rope-droppers a service.



I've been doing it for a lot longer.

That doesn't mean I expect to get it. Big difference. It is something I've learned how to do, a way to cut in line and get away w it. But if Disney says "no there is a line you can't just cut in because some people have been waiting over an hour" then that's that. I would not be irate, yell at the CMs, or anything like that.

Where did I EVER say that I felt I was entitled, or that I would be irate and yell at CMs? In fact, last summer, our JTA/TSM plan got sidetracked by the Olaf Welcome during Frozen Summer Fun. I didn't throw a fit, yell at anyone, complain at Guest Relations, etc. I rolled with it. And yeah, we ended up being 10th in line to sign up rather than 1st. It wasn't that big of a deal.

I'm just glad that Disney generally doesn't seem to agree with your fuzzy logic that early ADR = cutting in line or depriving RDers of their proper place in line. I'm still not understanding the logic of that, considering that those who ride before the RDers even arrive at the ride cannot in any way slow them down. But the OP's experience was a one day anomaly, thankfully.

 

[crostorfer]

Have you ever walked into a bank, or DMV, or somewhere, see the tellers open, and run up to them, expecting to be helped right away, only to have them look at you funny and say "um... the line is over there"... pointing to the huge line around the other half of the room. That is what you're doing here. You're getting in the park, *NOT* waiting in line, then when you're ready, saying you are ENTITLED to go ahead of everyone else who is legitimately standing in line for the SDMT. (At 9am, if you have finished eating around 8:30, you, too have been waiting in line. The difference is that you are just waiting in a different spot.) That's just not right. Remember the A&E situation at Epcot 2 yrs ago? People would get there at 7:30, be first in line, run to A&E, only to find there were 100 ppl mysteriously there and it was a 3-hour wait. They were of course ppl who got Akershus ressies and either ate fast or skipped them and either paid the cancel fee or tried to beg a CM on the phone later to change the ADR to not have to pay it. If you are there first, and you get in line, then you should get to go first. (If those people had been there since 7:45am, technically they were there first. Whether or not they chose to eat is really none of your concern.) That is the nature of rope drop.

Now you've found a way to cut (and feel good about it) since 2011. (So have you, apparently.) Good for you. I have no problem w that. But the expectation that you are entitled to do that because you did it before is flawed. If at any point Disney actually makes you wait in line like everyone else, they would be doing the rope-droppers a service.



I've been doing it for a lot longer.

That doesn't mean I expect to get it. Big difference. It is something I've learned how to do, a way to cut in line and get away w it. But if Disney says "no there is a line you can't just cut in because some people have been waiting over an hour" then that's that. I would not be irate, yell at the CMs, or anything like that.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Infinity.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

The difference is the person going to the ADR does not have a FastPass. The person with the FP *is* entitled to go thru the FastPass lane. The person w the ADR is eating instead of waiting in line. It's not "planning" to say "i'm not going to wait in line. I'm going to go eat instead, then cut in line when I'm done, and lay into the CM if they tell me I have to wait in line". [ROFL].
Now if you are suggesting get a 9am FastPass to SDMT, then you are totally justified.

Well it is planning to be fair. But it would be better planning to realize it isn't guaranteed and to know the whys so one can devise a back up plan in case it doesn't work out. Even if it worked out 500 times before, there is no obligation on Disney's part to make sure it works out on time 501. And when I went to Crystal Palace, time 501, a mean old nasty sort of bear if there ever was one, bit me in the rump. But Disney sold me a breakfast. I got a breakfast. I had a great time anyway. I don't believe I started a thread but when threads came up on the subject I did post to warn of the possibility. And as I recall, a few others complained. I kind of thought it ironic that I was the one it happened to and others it didn't happen to were complaining about it at the time. What people are buying is a breakfast. And that is what they are getting. Now if they're buying a breakfast they think is a rip off because there is a chance they will get to the front of the line, that is their decision. But all it is is a chance. Historically it has been a great chance. But they aren't buying and Disney is not selling front of the line privileges.

 

[MrInfinity]

Sorry, again not buying it. How is waiting in a herd in the front of the park construed as a "legitimate line" for 7DMT? And how is that line more "legitimate" than the line that's formed outside BOG?

And, your bank analogy doesn't make sense either. So the person who parks closer to the bank should be held at the door to allow the person who parked further back to enter first? Yeah. Doesn't make sense does it?

I'm not asking you to buy anything. And I don't make the line. And yes, they both make sense, you just have your view of what you think is right. That's cool w me, really. You feel that if you pay for an ADR you are entitled to ride more times or with less waiting than someone that didn't pay for a breakfast. That is not anywhere on the Disney site, yet you expect it. So be it!

Disney is the one that escorts the line back to the ride. Obviously since they all follow the rope and proceed to the SDMT, that's what they're there for. If you would be one to not wait in line, go eat instead, and then skip over to the ride and EXPECT to get in before those ppl who were waiting, well, it will probably work, but if it doesn't it's your expectation that was wrong. Nowhere does Disney state that by getting an ADR you will get to go ahead of the line. Whether or not it was loosely enforced in the past is irrelevant. We are seeing more and more things cracked down on because they just should be fixed. Like skipping ADRs... fixed. Showing up after ride windows in FP- days... fixed. This is just another thing that should be fixed so that rope droppers are not disadvantaged by ppl who can afford to drop money on a daily breakfast.

On one hand you'll have ppl complaining that rope drop isn't what it used to be, but then on the other hand ppl saying you should be able to pay to go ahead of the rope drop crowd. There's no pleasing everyone!

 

[MrInfinity]

(At 9am, if you have finished eating around 8:30, you, too have been waiting in line. The difference is that you are just waiting in a different spot.)
Hypocrisy, thy name is Infinity.

You really think that? You're "just waiting in a different spot?". Oh my. Why not walk up to any ride and expect to ride immediately. Oh CM, but I was waiting, I was just standing by that post... I was just in the bathroom... I was just eating... That's one of the craziest thigns I've heard, that if you're "just waiting somewhere else" that that counts as waiting in line. There is a system for that. It's called FASTPASS. If you do not have a FastPass, you *are not waiting somewhere else*. You're either in line or you're not. ADRs do not come with a bonus FastPass. Too funny.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Let's assume both groups are getting there way before the park opens. Both groups are waiting.

The only difference is the ADR group is paying a huge premium to wait in a restaurant and eat at the same time.

I can't see the logic behind holding ADR people to go behind the rope drop people? Both groups have done their time.