Blue Lives Matter - The 101st Law enforcement Officer was Killed Yesterday

[Nancyg56]

My black son, dad, nephews, cousins, BIL...are special to me. I respect GOOD police officer. But I can not drink the all cops are great kool-aid when the bad cops seem to be targeting the people I love most simply because they "fit the profile".[/QUOTE

Of course they do! I do not support "bad" cops. Ever.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

I am part a large law enforcement family, including my husband.

With that said, I understand what others are saying here in regards to teaching their kids how to deal with police. The difference is hopefully how they and their kids interact with the police. Stating your rights... asking for a lawyer or parent...going through the proper channels to launch complaints are not bad things! When people start getting belligerent and combative that's when it's an issue for everyone.

 

[eliza61]

Yes I guess we are a violent country. But what I don't understand is you fear of your child being subjected to questioning by a cop rather than being concerned of the 50,000 violent crimes that occurred in NYC in 2014 in which almost 7,000 of those involved a firearm. Yet you fear and taught your child fear the only people that are out there to protect them.

Very easy. the people who are supposed to protect him are also the very same people who will harm him. I don't fear cops but I sure as heck don't trust them. I know for a FACT that a philly cop could pull me over, shoot me dead for no reason whatsoever and the best I can hope for is someone has gotten it on their cell phone.

I know for a fact that when some crazy women in Philly claimed a black man carjacked her, that before even checking the story out they round up hundreds of black kids and detained them including my sons ( even though we lived 50 miles away) and when they found the women lounging in WDW, all the parents got was a "oops, my bad, have a nice day).

So once again we teach them not to resist and how to answer them but sorry the must also learn that trusting the police could very well end with them being harm, locked up or worse.

Lastly, they know and see interactions in the neighborhoods themselves, what am I supposed to say, the police are their friends?? lol they would know that's a lie the second they heard it

I do want to say Patch, that I am glad YOU think police treat everyone equally and protect all. that is a good view to have. it's simply not a luxury I have and it's not all bad. Philadelphia and Camden Nj have made great efforts to have what they've been calling Community policing, where the police and communities are actively trying to work together. our police commissioner has worked hard to have avenues to weed out bad cops (which usually has the police union screaming)

 

[Gracie09]

Yes I guess we are a violent country. But what I don't understand is you fear of your child being subjected to questioning by a cop rather than being concerned of the 50,000 violent crimes that occurred in NYC in 2014 in which almost 7,000 of those involved a firearm. Yet you fear and taught your child fear the only people that are out there to protect them.

For official nyc crime stats
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...ing/seven_major_felony_offenses_2000_2014.pdf
every major felony area down except grand larceny of motor vehicle
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...non_seven_major_felony_offenses_2000-2014.pdf
still down overall although some are up a bit. And if you look the last five or so years all around the same overall number

No one says they are not concerned about violent crime, but submitting to questioning and detainment simply because you walked down the street and you are black, everyone should be up in arms about that. I teach my child that she has rights, including the right to walk down a public street without being questioned and detained by a police officer for no reason.

Those that give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

or are you saying you would be okay with being stopped and frisked on your way to work every day just because it keeps us all safer?

 

[castleview]

I must not have been clear. I did not mean to suggest that the city is not mourning the officer. What I was trying, and I guess not well, to suggest, is that there was a time when shooting an officer was a last resort for desperate criminals, but it does nto seem to be that way any longer. If this is my percepton, I am sorry, but I do ntotremember this happenign with the frewuency we hear about it now.

What about questionable killings by police? Do you remember hearing about that with a high frequency? Probably not because it never effected you.

 

[castleview]

All I have to say here..

By saying this you are saying you don't care that people have been mistreated or killed even though they were innocent. Cops come first no matter if they are corrupt or wrong.

 

[Patch'sD]

For official nyc crime stats
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...ing/seven_major_felony_offenses_2000_2014.pdf
every major felony area down except grand larceny of motor vehicle
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...non_seven_major_felony_offenses_2000-2014.pdf
still down overall although some are up a bit. And if you look the last five or so years all around the same overall number

No one says they are not concerned about violent crime, but submitting to questioning and detainment simply because you walked down the street and you are black, everyone should be up in arms about that. I teach my child that she has rights, including the right to walk down a public street without being questioned and detained by a police officer for no reason.

Those that give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

or are you saying you would be okay with being stopped and frisked on your way to work every day just because it keeps us all safer?

Why not look at crime in the past two years after Stop and Frisk was curtailed. From 2000-2012 the Giuliani and Bloomberg administrations were in charge and supported the Police and it's policies. Now for the past two years we have a new administration that ran an anti police campaign. If I were stopped and detained, I would welcome the frisk in the likelihood that I was keeping Guns of the streets.

 

[Patch'sD]

By saying this you are saying you don't care that people have been mistreated or killed even though they were innocent. Cops come first no matter if they are corrupt or wrong.

I think that all lives matter. Yet the only one that are trying to do anything about it are the lives in Blue. Yes there are bad cops just as much as there are bad people out there that want to everyone harm. The little black girl who was shot in Hempstead Long Island last week and died a few days later, her life mattered. She never left her home, killed in her living room. Now this weekend we will have more protests in NYC, One of them will call for the closure of Rikers Island, why because to many criminals of color are locked up there. You know what, Stop the drug dealers and get them off the streets. Support the police in cleaning up the major cities of this country. The police are not the problem, it's the criminals. The low life killer of officer Holder gamed the system and said he was addict so he could get treatment and the liberal judge let him back on the streets.

 

[rigs32]

By saying this you are saying you don't care that people have been mistreated or killed even though they were innocent. Cops come first no matter if they are corrupt or wrong.

By that logic, isn't the black lives matter movement guilty of the same thing?

 

[Patch'sD]

What about questionable killings by police? Do you remember hearing about that with a high frequency? Probably not because it never effected you.

As someone that at 19 was beat up, had my jaw broken, slashed by a knife, and left for dead on street it effected me. You know why that happened to me. I was a white kid in a black neighborhood. I know first hand about racism from both sides. I was also mistreated by Police in my past because I was a punk. You know what I grew up and realized the difference between good and bad. Today's issues are that most people are down and out are looking for someone else to help them. They want their free stuff or jobs that pay well without any training or education. The Moynihan report in 1965 detailed this and 50 years later nothing has changed. Yet now we have a political structure that will attack the police rather than the criminals, why it gets votes. The mayor of Chicago basically came out and blamed the police for the rise in shootings. It's about time these communities stood up for themselves instead of looking to blame others.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I live in the Bed-Stuy section of Brooklyn. . I grew up here and raised my son here. I'm don't worry about being the victim of a crime. I do worry about a crazy cop harming my son.

My son and I have never been robbed or the victims of a crime. But my son had been stopped and followed by the cops.

You may feel justified in that notion, but the fact remains the #1 killer of young black men is other young black men.


Being more concerned about a cop killing your son than him being killed at the hands of a criminal is like going to the beach & being more concerned about sharks than you are about drowning.

In each case, you are worrying about a legitimate concern. No doubt about it. But also in each case, there are much, much greater dangers that should be the bigger concern.

 

[Gracie09]

Why not look at crime in the past two years after Stop and Frisk was curtailed. From 2000-2012 the Giuliani and Bloomberg administrations were in charge and supported the Police and it's policies. Now for the past two years we have a new administration that ran an anti police campaign. If I were stopped and detained, I would welcome the frisk in the likelihood that I was keeping Guns of the streets.

I'm sure you would, the first time, maybe the second time. After that, I would place money on it being a different story...

 

[eliza61]

You may feel justified in that notion, but the fact remains the #1 killer of young black men is other young black men.


Being more concerned about a cop killing your son than him being killed at the hands of a criminal is like going to the beach & being more concerned about sharks than you are about drowning.

In each case, you are worrying about a legitimate concern. No doubt about it. But also in each case, there are much, much greater dangers that should be the bigger concern.

But we do Gumbo. that's the thing. I do teach my sons about how to conduct themselves in the 'hood. everybody is fine with that. So let me ask you how come it's such a problem that I also teach them how to safeguard themselves from Cops?

I teach my kids about all the dangers they face. I don't have the luxury of pretense with them. they are 6ft dark skinned boys with dreads. they wear hoodies, that alone is enough to make some nut case cop afraid of them.

One scenario does not negate the other scenario. If you live in Australia where shark attacks are prevalent you teach your kids how to swim and how to spot sharks.

yeah one is much more prevalent than the other but the both still happen. Sorry but to teach my sons that the cops are not a real danger to them would be imo a serious failure on my part as their parent.

Same with my niece, I taught her how to protect herself from on campus rape and abuse from a violent boyfriend, how to tell the difference between "love" and "abuse". Would her fiancee ever do that to her? NO but my job is to arm them with the tools they need to protect themselves so when she went away to college she could handle situations. she went to one of the safest schools in the area (yes we looked up crime statistics) she still knew what to do

Yes, they absolutely logically know that all cops are not bad but since they have to live in the "real" world I want them prepared for all possibilities. If that offends some folks who think because some one has a badge they are all of a sudden Jesus, sorry.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

But we do Gumbo. that's the thing. I do teach my sons about how to conduct themselves in the 'hood. everybody is fine with that. So let me ask you how come it's such a problem that I also teach them how to safeguard themselves from Cops?

I teach my kids about all the dangers they face. I don't have the luxury of pretense with them. they are 6ft dark skinned boys with dreads. they wear hoodies, that alone is enough to make some nut case cop afraid of them.

One scenario does not negate the other scenario. If you live in Australia where shark attacks are prevalent you teach your kids how to swim and how to spot sharks.

yeah one is much more prevalent than the other but the both still happen. Sorry but to teach my sons that the cops are not a real danger to them would be imo a serious failure on my part as their parent.

Same with my niece, I taught her how to protect herself from on campus rape and abuse from a violent boyfriend, how to tell the difference between "love" and "abuse". Would her fiancee ever do that to her? NO but my job is to arm them with the tools they need to protect themselves so when she went away to college she could handle situations. she went to one of the safest schools in the area (yes we looked up crime statistics) she still knew what to do

Yes, they absolutely logically know that all cops are not bad but since they have to live in the "real" world I want them prepared for all possibilities. If that offends some folks who think because some one has a badge they are all of a sudden Jesus, sorry.

Absolutely, you should make your child aware of all the potential dangers.


But, if you're kid's going to the beach, you don't spend 59 minutes lecturing on sharks, and 1 minute on being cautious of the tide. That's all I'm saying.


And that's kind of what PP was doing when it was inferred that police were the #1 potential threat to their children. Police have the potential to be "a" threat. But, they're not the #1 threat. Not for anyone - not even for criminals.

 

[disneyjunkie]

I think that all lives matter. Yet the only one that are trying to do anything about it are the lives in Blue. Yes there are bad cops just as much as there are bad people out there that want to everyone harm. The little black girl who was shot in Hempstead Long Island last week and died a few days later, her life mattered. She never left her home, killed in her living room. Now this weekend we will have more protests in NYC, One of them will call for the closure of Rikers Island, why because to many criminals of color are locked up there. You know what, Stop the drug dealers and get them off the streets. Support the police in cleaning up the major cities of this country. The police are not the problem, it's the criminals. The low life killer of officer Holder gamed the system and said he was addict so he could get treatment and the liberal judge let him back on the streets.

The bolded part is a lie.

The police aren't the only ones trying to do something about the crime in our community. Walk into any local church, community center, youth center, block association meeting....and you will find plenty of people who are working to change things. What do you think the Million Man March was about????(Of course the media decided to ignore that)

Something needs to be done about Rikers Island. Making it a dumping ground for the mentally ill(a practice that has put the officers working there in danger) is wrong. An INNOCENT young man spent 6 weeks in that hell pit because of a bad cop. Rikers shouldn't be closed, but the issues there should be corrected.

 

[Patch'sD]

I don't see any action on that. All I see is the protests against the men blue. Media feeding frenzy. The good people of NYC were sold a bill of goods by the current mayor. Rikers Island as a daily population of over 14,000. Please pray tell what you are going to do with all these criminals. A system that is processing so many people there are going to be mistakes made. No says there is no such thing as bad cops. But you know what Criminal are always bad.

 

[disneyjunkie]

I don't see any action on that. All I see is the protests against the men blue. Media feeding frenzy. The good people of NYC were sold a bill of goods by the current mayor. Rikers Island as a daily population of over 14,000. Please pray tell what you are going to do with all these criminals. A system that is processing so many people there are going to be mistakes made. No says there is no such thing as bad cops. But you know what Criminal are always bad.

REALLY???? You don't see anyone in the black community working to end the crime? I call ******** on that.

The protest are against the BAD COPS. Criminals should be at Rikers. Homeless people with mental health issues should not be there. "America's Mayor" started those them there in an effort to say he had decreased the homeless population.

I'm not interested in defending or protecting criminals. You sure seem hell bent on lumping that bad cops in with the good ones. Why is that?

 

[rickybobby]

Why not look at crime in the past two years after Stop and Frisk was curtailed. From 2000-2012 the Giuliani and Bloomberg administrations were in charge and supported the Police and it's policies. Now for the past two years we have a new administration that ran an anti police campaign. If I were stopped and detained, I would welcome the frisk in the likelihood that I was keeping Guns of the streets.

Darn, you beat me to it. Stop and frisk officially stopped in 2014. The quoted statistics actually show that crime prevention was working, to include stop and frisk.

 

[rickybobby]

[QUOTE="Gracie09, post

or are you saying you would be okay with being stopped and frisked on your way to work every day just because it keeps us all safer?[/QUOTE]
Every time you fly commercial now, you succumb to that.

 

[Gracie09]

[QUOTE="Gracie09, post

or are you saying you would be okay with being stopped and frisked on your way to work every day just because it keeps us all safer?

Every time you fly commercial now, you succumb to that.[/QUOTE]
I don't need to fly commercial everyday to get to work. Often I just had to walk down the public streets.