"Black Lives Matter" - it's stupid. Just cut the crap.....

[disneyjunkie]

On his side of things, yes. I sort of wonder if students are taught in detail about the Civil Rights years, Selma, John Lewis (just one example) and so on.

I think it depends on the population(both students and staff) of the school.

 

[pat fan]

But his movement didn't change the heart and minds of the average Joe who hated him and what he represented from the start. It did push our elected officials to take action.

You have to start somewhere. I believe that he did win some over with his actions, and if it took leaders policy changes to initiate that kind of change, so be it.

I know that you can't believe the non-peaceful tactics of BLM are going to win over hearts and minds today if you believe King's peaceful policy didn't then (if that's what you think).

 

[disneyjunkie]

You have a good point about the need to include poor people in some of these discussions. I have always felt it is unfair to overlook economic status in the privileges that white people in general might receive. As a southerner it has always bothered me when people assume everyone was a slave owner. There were poor southerners who lived in physical conditions as bad as slaves. But that is another argument that should not distract from the issue at hand.

They may have been dirt poor but they were free.

 

[TLSnell1981]

But his movement didn't change the heart and minds of the average Joe who hated him and what he represented from the start. It did push our elected officials to take action.

MLK impacted the way I think and feel. Some of us never knew the hate because of him. He had more affect on the average Joe, than you realize.

 

[bcla]

You're making my point. MLK was peaceful, his opposition may not have been, but HIS peaceful replies got his point across. He didn't engage the violence. BLM is acting like the other side of the coin from Kings day. MLK would NEVER have spat on police. NEVER have thrown bricks, or molotav cocktails. Those were thrown at HIM. If he had engaged in ANY of that behavior, he would have been in jail or dead so much sooner. He KNEW it had to be peaceful or it would go nowhere.

But there were many sides. While there was MLK's movement, there were also various forms of the Black Power movement that didn't embrace total nonviolence. After the Black Panthers walked around Sacramento with loaded long guns, a law was passed to make it illegal.

I don't think BLM is inherently a violent movement, but there are going to be people who latch on for a reason to cause mayhem. I remember being around an area where police were assembling in riot gear just in case something broke out. I got out of there quickly after I saw a kid break a window and steal a few cheap T-shirts. There was no particular reason for it other than the kid felt like doing it and thought that maybe he could get away with it.

Now what I don't agree with is that anyone considers it civil disobedience without facing the punishment. Willingly suffering the punishment is always the hallmark of civil disobedience.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

But his movement didn't change the heart and minds of the average Joe who hated him and what he represented from the start. It did push our elected officials to take action.

But, as you said - when people turned on the news & saw one side clearly in the right & one side clearly in the wrong, it became impossible to ignore.

When you turn on the news & see both sides acting like idiots......well, you just find a new channel.

 

[ASchwa]

For those who want the full story of what happened in McKinney Texas and BLM here is the URL.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-pool-mob-inside-the-craig-ranch-subdivision/

Very interesting script that BLM put out.

 

[roseaster]

They may have been dirt poor but they were free.

You've got a point there.

This is kind of my point regarding the whole dismissive thing. It probably wasn't your intent, but saying something like "there were poor white southerners and their living conditions were bad" in no way compares to being human chattel.

It belittles the struggles of others. This is not a contest to see who has been discriminated against more.

I know your point was more about generalization, and no, not all southerners were slave owners or supported slavery.

On a note unrelated to my quoted post, someone discussed earlier about complying with the police. Here is my question: When does compliance become subservience? When you are being pulled over multiple times for no reason other than you look wrong to be on that street, when does it become enough?

It;s a Catch-22. If you don't speak up about your mistreatment you are allowing it, and it will keep happening, and if you do speak up about it, you will be harassed more.

 

[phillyprincess39]

A person killed by a lie is a hate crime. The slogan "hands up, don't shoot" is a lie. It didn't happen. Instead of admitting that Brown was a criminal, and stop using that slogan, it is constantly heard. Brown's name is used as a miscarriage of justice, which it wasn't. As I have said before, Blacks were killed because of lies in the past, white police officers are being targeted the same way. If you don't see any problem with using a slogan proven to be a lie then I think there can be no discussion between us. Just learn history, and hope that your children are never caught up in situation where a lie took their lives. It is happening too much in our lifetime where truth is being hammered down by lies and people thinking it is ok.

How is hands up dont shoot a lie? Every black person that has gotten shot by a cop got shot because they supposedly resisted arested..not in the middle of commiting a crime...their past criminal history only gets called into question after the fact to justify the killing...what crime was Mike Brown commiting when he got shot...I have an 18 year old black son..and I tell him all the time if he gets stopped by a cop you roll your window down put your hands on the wheel and dont move until the cops tell you to and when they do you do it slowly....until your in the position to have to tell your son that save your opinion because its not needed or appreciated

 

[roseaster]

How is hands up dont shoot a lie? Every black person that has gotten shot by a cop got shot because they supposedly resisted arested..not in the middle of commiting a crime...their past criminal history only gets called into question after the fact to justify the killing...what crime was Mike Brown commiting when he got shot...I have an 18 year old black son..and I tell him all the time if he gets stopped by a cop you roll your window down put your hands on the wheel and dont move until the cops tell you to and when they do you do it slowly....until your in the position to have to tell your son that save your opinion because its not needed or appreciated

I'm going to tell you, honestly, I think the Michael Brown shooting was justified. I read the whole official transcript, or whatever you call it, (it was painful, but I did it) and all the evidence from all the investigations, forensic and otherwise, from both sides of the story did support the police officer's story.

Also, I know the "Hands up" thing didn't actually occur. Brown never had his hands in the air, but, I pointed out that "Hands up, don't shoot," is an important narrative and slogan because that is how minorities have to approach the police and how they have to teach their children to approach the police.

I know that people will come back saying they are white and they teach their kids that, too, but I seriously doubt that most white people believe that their sons are at risk to get shot during every single interaction with the police.

Maybe people don't see how hurtful it is to have people look at someone you love with fear or hate just because of the way they look.

 

[disneyjunkie]

You've got a point there.

This is kind of my point regarding the whole dismissive thing. It probably wasn't your intent, but saying something like "there were poor white southerners and their living conditions were bad" in no way compares to being human chattel.

It belittles the struggles of others. This is not a contest to see who has been discriminated against more.

I know your point was more about generalization, and no, not all southerners were slave owners or supported slavery.

On a note unrelated to my quoted post, someone discussed earlier about complying with the police. Here is my question: When does compliance become subservience? When you are being pulled over multiple times for no reason other than you look wrong to be on that street, when does it become enough?

It;s a Catch-22. If you don't speak up about your mistreatment you are allowing it, and it will keep happening, and if you do speak up about it, you will be harassed more.

Actually that was my intent. I think it's absolutely ridiculous to compare the "plight" of poor white southerns to that of slaves. They had the ability to improve their situation.

No matter how awful their lives may have been, I bet not a one would have traded places with those "fortunate" slaves.

 

[roseaster]

Actually that was my intent. I think it's absolutely ridiculous to compare the "plight" of poor white southerns to that of slaves. They had the ability to improve their situation.

No matter how awful their lives may have been, I bet not a one would have traded places with those "fortunate" slaves.

I apologize. I thought the quote that you quoted would show up in my quote LOL . My comments were meant in regards to that person.

You and I are in agreement.

As an off topic aside, I get annoyed when people say, "But such and such a slave owner didn't treat his slaves badly. Ummmm.... no. There is no such thing as "good treatment" when you own another human being like livestock.

 

[ASchwa]

How is hands up dont shoot a lie? Every black person that has gotten shot by a cop got shot because they supposedly resisted arested..not in the middle of commiting a crime...their past criminal history only gets called into question after the fact to justify the killing...what crime was Mike Brown commiting when he got shot...I have an 18 year old black son..and I tell him all the time if he gets stopped by a cop you roll your window down put your hands on the wheel and dont move until the cops tell you to and when they do you do it slowly....until your in the position to have to tell your son that save your opinion because its not needed or appreciated

Michael Brown stole from a convenience store, when a clerk or it was the owner (I am not sure which), tried to stop him, Brown shoved him. There is a video of it. Police called it a strong arm robbery. He then was walking in the middle of the street with his friend Dorian Johnson. Darren Wilson the police officer, was responding to the 911 call that identified what Brown was wearing. He noticed Brown and Johnson and told them to walk on the side of the street, not the middle. Wilson took note of what Brown was wearing and called for back up. Wilson, then confronted the two again, Johnson complied, Brown attacked Wilson, Wilson shot Brown. Johnson then told the media that Brown had his hands up and that he was surrendering and that Wilson had shot Brown needlessly. In execution style. Some maintained that Wilson had shot Brown in the back. When Brown's autopsy became public, none of the shots were in the back and Brown's DNA was found in the Police car. The Ferguson Police Department waited over a week with the preliminary report to the media, but by that time, BLM came up with the slogan "hands up, don't shoot" and it was tweeted and shared all over social media. Sports figures and others used this as a protest and publicly kept on using this as an example of police abuses against Blacks. Because of the autopsy and other witnesses to what happened, it was realized that Johnson had lied to the media about what happened. So, BLM knowing it was a lie, didn't stop using it, knowing that it is an incendiary slogan that was designed to keep people angry at the police.

I hope that your son does stay safe.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Seriously? A poster who uses The Conservative Treehouse as a source for the "full" story is going to be so indignant about people using incendiary things to keep people angry?

 

[roseaster]

Seriously? A poster who uses The Conservative Treehouse as a source for the "full" story is going to be so indignant about people using incendiary things to keep people angry?

Sweet mercy! That article read like a TMZ article.
According to Snopes "The Conservative Treehouse" has a little problem with facts.

 

[NHdisneylover]

For those who want the full story of what happened in McKinney Texas and BLM here is the URL.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-pool-mob-inside-the-craig-ranch-subdivision/

Very interesting script that BLM put out.

Well thanks for postsing a link. I appreciate the effort.

I don't give any credence to such a heavily slanted website though. Nonetheless, I slogged through that whole thing, and even from that site's point of view, i cannot see how that video shows an officer responding appropriately in the situation.

 

[L&Lfan]

LOL

I just meant a lot of Puerto Ricans have Spanish roots

My Puerto Rican boyfriend always gets Italian or Jewish.

 

[gwynne]

Well thanks for postsing a link. I appreciate the effort.

I don't give any credence to such a heavily slanted website though. Nonetheless, I slogged through that whole thing, and even from that site's point of view, i cannot see how that video shows an officer responding appropriately in the situation.

You're braver than me.
Just general comments...Not directed at your post. I'm sort of astonished to see that link "offered" here. It probably explains some points of view that I've wondered about as I've perused this thread.

 

[kamik86]

He can ask for ID - and you need to identify yourself. You don't need to produce your license unless he is detaining you. A passenger not producing a driver's license isn't a reason to detain. If he demands it and makes up some BS "reasonable suspicion" of a crime he suspects you of in order to officially detain you, then you got a pretty dirty cop on your hands and I'd certainly comply. But I'd get all his details and report him later.

You say it's absurd that he'd run it for warrants, but they frequently do. What other reason would he have to demand a driver's license from someone that isn't driving?

And it's really not that "gray". The Supreme Court has ruled on it numerous times. There are subtle differences by state, but we aren't to the point where a government official can stop us without cause and demand to see our official government issued papers.

This depends... When the driver gave his licence is he under 18?

This is common in our area. There is a probationary period after a teen gets their licence where they aren't supposed to drive unrelated minors. (so a 17 year old can drive his younger brother to school with him but can't drive all his friends in). I forget how long the probationary period is though since its been so long since it applied to anyone I knew.

 

[NHdisneylover]

You're braver than me.
Just general comments...Not directed at your post. I'm sort of astonished to see that link "offered" here. It probably explains some points of view that I've wondered about as I've perused this thread.

I had begun to wonder if the information was from a haevily slanted site like that, becuase when I google I tend to skim for more mainstream sites and saw nothing really--but then again google.de does not always pull up the same stuff and perhaps i wasn't using the correct words--which is why I kept asking and I DO appreciate the poster providing the link to what they were talking about