Bio Fingerprints

[DeeCee735]

From what I've read and understand a biometric scan is a scan of fingerprints, not bone structure or length, how would that identify a person anyway?

 

[WDWguru]

The scan does NOT scan fingerprints. It takes a measurement of your two fingers and measures them in relation to each other. It's not a perfect science, but close enough to determine whether it's the same person using the pass each time.

 

[rwodonnell]

I'm sorry. I hope you didn't think I was saying you were idiots (not my intention). I think what you need to understand is that Disney is finally closing that ticket loophole. The tickets were never meant to be shared whether it was from EBAY users or what you call "legitimate" sharing. It has always been very clear. They are not "supposed" to be transferrable. I have allowed my father-in-law to use a day left on me and my wife's pass, so I am not trying to say that people who have done this are bad, but Disney has now chosen to stop that practice. They are the rule makers and they have every right to enforce them. I do understand everyones displeasure of not being able to do things that they have done in the past, but Disney is a business and is there to make money. Multiple day tickets got cheaper the more days you bought not because they wanted you to give those unused days away, but to entice you into staying longer on your trip. I for one love the new system. If enforcing the rules is what it takes to keep prices down, then I am all for it. The new tickets are already saving me $300.

Perhaps I was took quick to take offense at your suggestion that we were all making a big deal about it and making it more complicated than we need to. I agree, it's all about the money. I too am saving money on my personal tickets, but I lose a lot more than I save in my guests' tickets. Perhaps I will stop buying them for them, but I did like to be generous to them in that way, just not sure I can afford it any more.

Regarding the transferability, this practice was effectively encouraged by Disney, from conversations with cast members to the marketing of the tickets. Yes, I agree it's in their right to change the mechanism - but I think it will cost them a fair amount of goodwill for people staying 4 days or less with no plans to return in the foreseeable future. Also, I wish they would stop using the Ebay scams (or security) as a cover and just say they want to stop families from sharing too. I have to believe that's the biggest group of people being affected. By far!

 

[safetymom]

I don't think it is EBay so much they are worried about. It is more about all the dealers on 192 and I Drive that sell used tickets and are scaming people.

 

[Luv2Roam]

tax write-offs.

It may be a tax write off, but a $1 million donation to the Red Cross to assist Tsunami Relief Efforts is nothing to sneeze at either. Not to mention the tens of thousands some execs have contributed of their $ too.

 

[safetymom]

They also donated lots of money to the Orlando area when the hurricanes hit.

 

[dpuck1998]

How about the fact that they wait until the big MYW ticket push then implement the Ticket Tag? The push the 10 day tickets and then decide to make sure your the only one that uses it.

A few notes here however. The new tickets do not have names attached. My 10 day MYW ticket does not have a name on it. When the finger scan fails (as it did well over 1/2 the time for me with an AP) How will they confirm the owner? Are they counting on matching up the signature on the back? The many times the scan didn't work for my AP then barely looked at my ID let alone matched up the signatures or names. I guess over the next several months we will see how serious they are about keeping people from using them with thier families. I wonder how many people they will actually deny from entering based on this???

 

[Immelman]

It may be a tax write off, but a $1 million donation to the Red Cross to assist Tsunami Relief Efforts is nothing to sneeze at either. Not to mention the tens of thousands some execs have contributed of their $ too.

didn't some hollywood 'celebrity' just do the same from their own pocket? so WDW, as a gigantic corporation did the same as an individual? woo-hoo. yes, I can sneeze at that. try donating a week's worth of revenue.

and as far as the hurricanes, we're in their backyard. big deal WDW donated. they'd make bigger news if they DIDN'T.

 

[epcotfan]

I think a photo pass would take more time. How often do you change your hairstyle or color or are wearing it differently? The cm would have to look at the photo and look at you and try to decide if it's the same person.

That happened to my mother back in the early 1990s. She changed her hair style and a cast member at MGM wouldn't let her in. She didn't believe it was her! Eventually she let her in. The funny thing was my mom had no problems with people identifying her throughout the rest of our trip.

 

[Tagrel]

Interesting thread. Just a couple points.

I saw several references to the fact that its State Law that tickets are non-transferable, but nothing that pointed out that the law was passed because of Disney's Lobbyists pushing it! And the state bought in because people buying more tickets means not only more bucks for Disney, but more tax revenue as well.

But if I buy a 10 pack to incur some savings at Sam's Club, it should be fully my right to share that 10 pack as I see fit. So Disney has to right to say HOW you use your 10 days. Does that mean Sam's Club has the right to say I can't split the cost of that 10 pack (of whatever) with someone and split the cost?

Disney could easily implement a system to tell people how many days are left on any pass (just like every store does with Gift Cards). This would QUICKLY stop those selling 'empty' tickets on ebay or 192. And help countless guests with old passes they'd like to check before discarding. They choose NOT to do this, thus enabling the thieves. So PLEASE don't tell me Disney is enforcing non-transferable to help people. They are doing it to increase profits, pure and simple! Which, as a business is their right. I just don't like to see it sugar coated to make the pill easier to swallow!

 

[dpuck1998]

Interesting thread. Just a couple points.

I saw several references to the fact that its State Law that tickets are non-transferable, but nothing that pointed out that the law was passed because of Disney's Lobbyists pushing it! And the state bought in because people buying more tickets means not only more bucks for Disney, but more tax revenue as well.

But if I buy a 10 pack to incur some savings at Sam's Club, it should be fully my right to share that 10 pack as I see fit. So Disney has to right to say HOW you use your 10 days. Does that mean Sam's Club has the right to say I can't split the cost of that 10 pack (of whatever) with someone and split the cost?

Disney could easily implement a system to tell people how many days are left on any pass (just like every store does with Gift Cards). This would QUICKLY stop those selling 'empty' tickets on ebay or 192. And help countless guests with old passes they'd like to check before discarding. They choose NOT to do this, thus enabling the thieves. So PLEASE don't tell me Disney is enforcing non-transferable to help people. They are doing it to increase profits, pure and simple! Which, as a business is their right. I just don't like to see it sugar coated to make the pill easier to swallow!

excellent points...

 

[Letsbgoofy]

I have a few comments on how this is going to save Disney money by not letting people share tickets...

How much profit do they really make on the tickets? I have heard & read in various places that Disney makes much more profit on what is bought inside the parks like food and merchandise. I have to believe this is true because I am sure that the operating costs for the parks are very high.

If I buy a 10 day ticket to use once with my sister, and once with my husband (1 for me, one for them to share), then I am ensuring Disney that I will make 2 trips to their parks, and spend lots of money on those two trips. If I have to buy tickets with less days for each person, then maybe it isn't affordable to travel to Disney and we will go elsewhere. If I have tickets with days left on them, you know I will be going to Disney.

Ticket tag me, okay, but put my name on both tickets so that I can use them with two different people in my family.

What about families that share tickets between two families? Aren't they also ensuring that Disney will get business from both families? It seems that the profit they will make from each person using the ticket will more than make up for the small amount of money the families will save buying "bigger" tickets to share.

As for people buying used tickets...it's illegal. If you do it and get ripped off, it's your problem! Why should Disney concern themselves with these people?