Benefits of 2020 Point Charts???

[LBHouse]

Not necessarily as 2 bed availibility may reduce.

That won’t matter at all for us. We typically book at 11 months and occasionally switch at 7 months.

Our travel plans change every year. Very flexible with when and where we go. Too many people on here complaining.

 

[Duchie]

Can someone tell me what OTUP means?

 

[Dean]

Can someone tell me what OTUP means?

One Time Use Points

 

[Duchie]

Gotcha - thanks!

 

[drusba]

Can someone tell me what OTUP means?

Or "On Thursday U Puke." Just depends on the subject matter of the message.

 

[Networth]

We book 2 bedrooms often so that save us points. Our lagoon 1 bedroom stays did not go up. However GV’s went up at the VGF which will affect us in the future.

Even though the changes don’t really hurt as much I would still like to know why Disney did the change.

 

[Pooh12863]

Not necessarily as 2 bed availability may reduce.

On what grounds? I don't see someone complaining about spending an additional 20 some points a week on a studio moving to a 2 bedroom for a 150-250 more points a week.

 

[Madame]

On what grounds? I don't see someone complaining about spending an additional 20 some points a week on a studio moving to a 2 bedroom for a 150-250 more points a week.

People like us who crammed into 1bds will book 2 beds now. I’ve already done the calculations & we can easily use our current points (470) to now have 2 six night stays in most 2 bds on property during the periods we visit.

 

[Pooh12863]

People like us who crammed into 1bds will book 2 beds now. I’ve already done the calculations & we can easily use our current points (470) to now have 2 six night stays in most 2 bds on property during the periods we visit.

Are you comparing apples to apples? Which resort? It's still going to cost you even more points to stay the same amount of days.

 

[Madame]

Are you comparing apples to apples? Which resort? It's still going to cost you even more points to stay the same amount of days.

Have you seen the cost of 1 bds on the new chart?!? At several resorts I can either get a 1 bd in a preferred category or a 2bd in a standard category for the SAME points or sometimes the 2bd is cheaper.

 

[Pooh12863]

Have you seen the cost of 1 bds on the new chart?!? At several resorts I can either get a 1 bd in a preferred category or a 2bd in a standard category for the SAME points or sometimes the 2bd is cheaper.

I did Boardwalk since that's where most people seem to like, but its that same at CCV my home resort.

2019 a 1BR preferred to 2Br preferred is a 67 point differential for a week, in 2020 it will still be a 48 point differential. I don't see a lot of people making that jump for more room. Lets face it Studios go first because they're cheap, the average folks don't have your 470 points.

 

[Madame]

I did Boardwalk since that's where most people seem to like, but its that same at CCV my home resort.

2019 a 1BR preferred to 2Br preferred is a 67 point differential for a week, in 2020 it will still be a 48 point differential. I don't see a lot of people making that jump for more room. Lets face it Studios go first because they're cheap, the average folks don't have your 470 points.

SSR, AKV, & I believe someone said BLT 1bd vs 2 different categories. Have a look for yourself.

We were only getting one beds because 2 were so expensive. & they don’t need my 470 points. I’m a teacher tied to peak point times for the next 15 years. & that’s 2 vacations.

 

[Pooh12863]

SSR, AKV, & I believe someone said BLT 1bd vs 2 different categories. Have a look for yourself.

We were only getting one beds because 2 were so expensive. & they don’t need my 470 points. I’m a teacher tied to peak point times for the next 15 years. & that’s 2 vacations.

I'm sorry, I just don't see it on any of those charts either.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I'm sorry, I just don't see it on any of those charts either.

I do.

 

[zavandor]

On what grounds? I don't see someone complaining about spending an additional 20 some points a week on a studio moving to a 2 bedroom for a 150-250 more points a week.

2br standard is the same cost or cheaper than 1BR preferred at many resorts. It is not apple to apple comparison, but the effect on 2br availability is certain.
For some people the view is not important enough to pay many more points. At SSR those rooms were in the same category until 2016 and while standard is the larger of the two, preferred books last. So for a lot of people saving points is more important than a view.

The consequence is that a lot of people who currently book 1BR preferred may choose to upgrade the space while loosing the view. This will cause a spike in request for 2br standard. People who used to book standard will then have to switch to preferred.
It seems this is DVC plan.

 

[Wakey]

On what grounds? I don't see someone complaining about spending an additional 20 some points a week on a studio moving to a 2 bedroom for a 150-250 more points a week.

1 beds are now such poor value, next time I may either go studio, or upgrade to 2 bed. Both previously seemed to book out quicker than 1 beds which were always last to go. Not only do we have Skier Pete’s chart, I have checked this myself, weekly, for years out of curiosity and I have never seen deviation from this general rule.
So the points allocation makes availibility issues worse.
I don’t know why you cannot see what everyone else can.
Again, I stress I have no problem with points balancing, in fact encourage it.
What I have problems with is lockoff premium points out of thin air production, and any (if it has happened) attempt to make the majority of members pay more points, not to balance demand, but to make more rooms for cash rental and/ or encourage the purchase of more points and/ or make new properties not seem as points intensive when they go on sale and/ or make an astounding profit from cheap to build bungalows, then load points back onto studios.
DVCMC is acting for us, not DVD. Thus they should be offering up the data and explanations, I am still waiting, but hopefully it is coming soon. I’m livid there was no 10 min slide pack and explanation of this only 1 week before it was announced at the Member’s meeting, which to me speaks volumes.

 

[Wakey]

I would love to see the 1 beds go down (as I prefer a kitchen), but for fun I let this scenario out in my head. Imagine the studios go up by two points and the 1 bedrooms go down two points. That would make the 1 bedrooms more appealing and increase demand, relieving some pressure on studios, yes? I agree. Instead of having higher inventory of open 1 bedrooms, they are now in more demand, resulting in resorts having more filled 1 bedroom reservations.

What did my make believe scenario accomplish though? In the end, nothing.

Right now, if you look at the availability calendar for 1 bedrooms in January 2019, most every resort is filled up (with the exception of scattered single days here and there). 1 bedrooms may be a unit size with lower demand, but it will eventually fill up. And this is Adventure season.

This is why DVC can raise the 1 bedroom points too. In the end, people will still book them, and that's all DVC wants and therefore justifies the means. With WDW 50th coming in 2021, I'm pretty sure that EVERYTHING will fill up.
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Back to OP... I definitely did not see a benefit from the new point charts. Everything went up for me. I'm not complaining though. My vacation plans will have to change, and that's OK.

You're argument makes little sense because all DVC fills up, it runs at 95+ % occupancy. The two beds filled up also, quicker than 1 beds.

 

[Dean]

You're argument makes little sense because all DVC fills up, it runs at 95+ % occupancy. The two beds filled up also, quicker than 1 beds.

But part of the equation is that for the most part 1 BR are tied to studios so pushing people to 2 BR may actually increase the demand for a 1 BR due to more limited availability. They are still cheaper side by side even if not as much as before. The relative breakdown between the unit size costs fits more my experience for other timeshares except I think the studios should be higher compared to the 1 BR so maybe we should raise the studios more. The square footage model was never a good plan IMO. Historically they designated some 2 BR L/O that could only be booked as 2 BR but with a computer upgrade a few year ago, that changed. I wonder if the new system won't allow that option.

 

[Pooh12863]

2br standard is the same cost or cheaper than 1BR preferred at many resorts. It is not apple to apple comparison, but the effect on 2br availability is certain.
For some people the view is not important enough to pay many more points. At SSR those rooms were in the same category until 2016 and while standard is the larger of the two, preferred books last. So for a lot of people saving points is more important than a view.

The consequence is that a lot of people who currently book 1BR preferred may choose to upgrade the space while loosing the view. This will cause a spike in request for 2br standard. People who used to book standard will then have to switch to preferred.
It seems this is DVC plan.

OK I guess that makes sense, I was looking at same/same, room size/view.

 

[D-Trick]

You're argument makes little sense because all DVC fills up, it runs at 95+ % occupancy. The two beds filled up also, quicker than 1 beds.

I'm just trying to understand your reasoning of how lowering 1 beds makes more sense than raising them. My argument was that it doesn't matter what Disney does because of the fact that everything fills up eventually. I was simply using 1 bedrooms as an example, since that was the subject of debate. People act like 1 beds are the evil stepchild rooms no one wants because they really want the cheapest room possible: studios.

I'm open minded, just need a clear explanation of your reasoning.