"Bad Teacher" barks up the wrong tree!!!

[OceanAnnie]

I'm sorry, I don't think the child's feelings (in this case) do matter.
Should a child not have to dress for gym class because they're embarrassed?
Should a child not have to give an oral report because they're embarrassed? Should a child not have to do work at the blackboard because they're embarrassed?
Where do you draw the line?

To me, the only reason the teacher shouldn't have shown the grade is because she isn't allowed to (unless she gave other kids the option).

The examples you gave IMO aren't even close. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I give the kid credit for speaking up. I give him credit for letting the teacher know he was not proud of his grade. I imagine that was not an easy thing to do.

IMO he got knocked down by the very person he's supposed to learn from and look up to. I know you don't agree. Opinions. Everybody has them.

 

[luvsJack]

I'm sorry, I don't think the child's feelings (in this case) do matter.
Should a child not have to dress for gym class because they're embarrassed?
Should a child not have to give an oral report because they're embarrassed? Should a child not have to do work at the blackboard because they're embarrassed?
Where do you draw the line?

To me, the only reason the teacher shouldn't have shown the grade is because she isn't allowed to (unless she gave other kids the option).

In some cases, yes to each of those. You find out WHY the child is embarrassed and you work from there and you figure out a solution or a compromise. School is much more about learning when a child doesn't have to go every day and worry about being humiliated.

Well then,looks like all the teachers are out to get your son. Maybe you should homeschool. I have never had a problem will all 3 of childrens teachers,because if they complained I told them to talk to the teacher. They do then the problem is solved. I let them work it out them selfs and now they have great relationships with their teachers. Just loose up the cord a little and let them do things for them self. That will help his confidence.

Of course you do.

Simply because YOU have never had a problem doesn't mean they don't exist. Simply because having your child talk to the teacher worked for you doesn't mean it always does for everyone.

He TRIED to talk to the teacher. It didn't work. That was how the whole thing started and why the OP was angry in the first place.

 

[sam_gordon]

The examples you gave IMO aren't even close. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I give the kid credit for speaking up. I give him credit for letting the teacher know he was not proud of his grade. I imagine that was not an easy thing to do.

IMO he got knocked down by the very person he's supposed to learn from and look up to. I know you don't agree. Opinions. Everybody has them.

 

[Poohforyou]

I totally agree with you. (sorry OP for saying anything more). But it is so true that that child's feelings were just pushed aside and not considered at all.

Actually, we don't know that for certain since we don't know the teacher's side of the story.

 

[luvmy3]

EVERY teacher LOVES him.

Except the K teacher who made him work with peanuts, the 3rd grade teacher who grabbed him, the PE teacher who made fun of his grades, and his first 5th grade teacher?

OP either he is a great student that all the teachers love, or he is one who has had problems in the past with other teachers and you never made waves about them. I'm not sure how it can be both.

 

[luvmy3]

He TRIED to talk to the teacher. It didn't work. That was how the whole thing started and why the OP was angry in the first place.

I think the point many of us are trying to make is that the OP should have TRIED to talk to the teacher. Instead she flew off the handle and had him removed from that classroom without even speaking to the teacher. IMO, that is a knee jerk over-reaction to the situation, YMMV.

 

[declansdad]

The examples you gave IMO aren't even close. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I give the kid credit for speaking up. I give him credit for letting the teacher know he was not proud of his grade. I imagine that was not an easy thing to do.

IMO he got knocked down by the very person he's supposed to learn from and look up to. I know you don't agree. Opinions. Everybody has them.

The examples are exactly the same. He said that he was embarrassed by the grade but that doesn't alone mean the teacher should not have displayed it. If you want to argue it shouldn't have been displayed because of a policy, that's different.

 

[aaarcher86]

I don't think the grades should have been displayed because of the legality.

With that being said, a kid saying he's embarrassed by something doesn't mean the teacher should just turn things around. If the class is being held to a certain standard then the WHOLE class needs to be held to it. I don't really like this particular situation as an example since it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. But to say that a teacher should bend to avoid embarrassment is silly in most cases. This is life. Sometimes things happen we don't like, aren't happy about, and *gasp* even make us embarrassed or uncomfortable.

I'm honestly a bit shocked that many people's first response to a kid saying that he's embarrassed about something is to say the teacher should accommodate that.

 

[OceanAnnie]

The examples are exactly the same. He said that he was embarrassed by the grade but that doesn't alone mean the teacher should not have displayed it. If you want to argue it shouldn't have been displayed because of a policy, that's different.

The OP's scenario is based on performance. A gym outfit, delivery of an assignment before it's done, is not outcome based. Not the same to me.

Don't want to argue. Just share another perspective.

 

[declansdad]

The OP's scenario is based on performance. A gym outfit, delivery of an assignment before it's done, is not outcome based. Not the same to me.

Don't want to argue. Just share another perspective.

But they still come back to the child saying they are embarrassed. That alone, regardless of the reason, shouldn't mean the teacher simply doesn't do what they had intended.

 

[OceanAnnie]

But they still come back to the child saying they are embarrassed. That alone, regardless of the reason, shouldn't mean the teacher simply doesn't do what they had intended.

Adults don't have their job performances displayed. Not just because of a law, but because a certain level of privacy is expected. Why should it be different for a kid? Not arguing. Just curious.

 

[smitch425]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why a kid would really be embarrassed over a grade on a paper mâché project, and how you could get a 44 on a piece of art. I am wondering if this assignment was even given by this teacher or if it was given by the art teacher. Maybe she was doing what the art teacher wanted her to do. Maybe there is no art teacher??? So many unanswered questions, and we'll never know the answers.

 

[aaarcher86]

If the projects were displayed without grades and the kid was embarrassed (if you get a bad grade on it the project can't look that great) would people still think the teacher should have not kept it out? Taking the grade aspect out... I certainly don't.

And I disagree about work in the job force being private. Plenty of things are public amongst co workers.

 

[aaarcher86]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why a kid would really be embarrassed over a grade on a paper mâché project, and how you could get a 44 on a piece of art. I am wondering if this assignment was even given by this teacher or the art teacher. Maybe there is no art teacher??? So many unanswered questions, and we'll never know the answers.

For the longest time I figured it was a 44/50 since half the kids scored similar and the boy was still embarrassed but it wasn't failing so the teacher said tough cookies. It's a B. That's the only thing that made sense to me. Maybe the kid saw 44 and thought it was he percentage. I don't know.

I can't picture her displaying tons of F's.

 

[smitch425]

For the longest time I figured it was a 44/50 since half the kids scored similar and the boy was still embarrassed but it wasn't failing so the teacher said tough cookies. It's a B. That's the only thing that made sense to me. Maybe the kid saw 44 and thought it was he percentage. I don't know.

I can't picture her displaying tons of F's.

I thought the same thing! Elementary schools grade on so many different scales. For all we know, 44 could still be an A! Surely the OP has considered that possibility. My heavens...I sure hope she did at least confirm that the grade was actually a bad grade before marching and demanding.

 

[wvjules]

For the longest time I figured it was a 44/50 since half the kids scored similar and the boy was still embarrassed but it wasn't failing so the teacher said tough cookies. It's a B. That's the only thing that made sense to me. Maybe the kid saw 44 and thought it was he percentage. I don't know.

I can't picture her displaying tons of F's.

She's a bad teacher and wants to embarass the students, especially OPs kindhearted and shy son. That's why she displayed the bad grades.

 

[sam_gordon]

I thought the same thing! Elementary schools grade on so many different scales. For all we know, 44 could still be an A! Surely the OP has considered that possibility. My heavens...I sure hope she did at least confirm that the grade was actually a bad grade before marching and demanding.

I'll be honest, I didn't even think about that.

 

[luvsJack]

I don't think the grades should have been displayed because of the legality.

With that being said, a kid saying he's embarrassed by something doesn't mean the teacher should just turn things around. If the class is being held to a certain standard then the WHOLE class needs to be held to it. I don't really like this particular situation as an example since it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. But to say that a teacher should bend to avoid embarrassment is silly in most cases. This is life. Sometimes things happen we don't like, aren't happy about, and *gasp* even make us embarrassed or uncomfortable.

I'm honestly a bit shocked that many people's first response to a kid saying that he's embarrassed about something is to say the teacher should accommodate that.

Personally I didn't mean nor do I think that a teacher should automatically turn things around or change things because a kid is embarrassed.

What I do think is that any kid deserves the respect of their feelings enough that an adult find out why they are embarrassed.

Not wanting to dress out for gym? Maybe its a girl with a horrific scar from an accident that she doesn't want her classmates to see.

Embarrassed by working at the board? Maybe the kid has been picked on by the other students for not being strong in math or misspelling words.

Embarrassed to speak in front of the class? Perhaps the child has a speech impediment and is embarrassed. Some people stutter when they get nervous and that could be the issue.

I am not necessarily saying that in those cases an exception should be made but I think the teacher in each should at least find out what the problem is and see if something can be done to help the child.

But THIS could have been changed for this kid. There was no reason not to. I can just about guarantee that the school has no rule that said she had to put that project out. He told her that it bothered him. How about we actually encourage a kid instead of kicking him while he is down.

And a piece of art? That's what it was? Why on this whole green earth would a teacher not put their BEST work on display? It doesn't make sense to not.

 

[lukenick1]

Except the K teacher who made him work with peanuts, the 3rd grade teacher who grabbed him, the PE teacher who made fun of his grades, and his first 5th grade teacher?

OP either he is a great student that all the teachers love, or he is one who has had problems in the past with other teachers and you never made waves about them. I'm not sure how it can be both.

Ugh Please read again and you will find your answer. Let me help you by attaching the post.

To be honest I really don't care what anyone thinks of me. I also do not care about what the teachers at the school think. I have a great relationship with many of the teachers at that school, as a matter of fact my first DS is an honor student, a huge role model in the class. EVERY teacher LOVES him. I am very involved, they know what kind of parents we are. I'm sure none of them are thinking ill of me except the "friends" of the 5th grade Teacher. If they do have a different opinion of me c'est la vie. We are done with that school in 7 months anyway.

 

[luvsJack]

I think the point many of us are trying to make is that the OP should have TRIED to talk to the teacher. Instead she flew off the handle and had him removed from that classroom without even speaking to the teacher. IMO, that is a knee jerk over-reaction to the situation, YMMV.

She got there. The project was displayed. She knew the grade and the grade was showing. What exactly was the teacher going to say?