Bad sportsmanship... really bad

[Alsobrook]

Yeah, but who taught the kid to act like a punk? His parents or the coach?

Anyway you slice, no matter what the kid did barring physical assault, the coach should be barred from coaching. I hope he gets jail time for assault.

If you get caught speeding more than 20 mph over the limit and you're under 18, in my state, you lose your license for one year...not the rest of your life.

We don't think very much anymore.

Ban the guy for life? Ok. Is he a good coach? Can he learn from the mistake? Can he ever be forgiven and earn his way back?

Just wow.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

If you get caught speeding more than 20 mph over the limit and you're under 18, in my state, you lose your license for one year...not the rest of your life.

We don't think very much anymore.

Ban the guy for life? Ok. Is he a good coach? Can he learn from the mistake? Can he ever be forgiven and earn his way back?

Just wow.

Just wow. Breaking a childs wrist, purposely, doesn't compare to speeding.

Just wow, wow. Holy crap. I can't believe you would even put physically assaulting a child in the same vein as speeding.

How many assaults upon children should a coach get before being barred from coaching again? 2? 5? 25? oh wait...the magic number is 48, right?

Good Lord, we are really in trouble if people think that someone that is supposed to train your child for a sport and teach them how to respect the game and other players should get a couple times of purposely causing them injury before they are ejected from the sport. If a parent did this, what then? Another player? He should get another chance because he's a coach?

How about "He's an adult." Adults, especially those who choose to teach children, need to maintain a higher bar. THEY are supposed to be examples to the children of how things are done. Once you decide to take the job, you need to perform the job correctly.

I hope they ban him for life. What he did was ugly, uncalled for and to let him continue coaching will set a dangerous precedent for what should be expected from a coach of a children's team.

Maybe he could use some anger managagement therapy or something. Whatever, I hope he's toast.

 

[dakcp2001]

When people show you who they are, believe them. This guy is a donkey. It doesn't matter what the kid did, he is the adult and expected to behave as such.

 

[cornflake]

I don't think he intended to injure the kid, he intended to trip him and no, not the same thing. In hockey, tripping and intent to injure are, in fact, different penalties with different punishments.

Doesn't matter, imo, though, as a coach intentionally tripping a kid for no reason, especially in the handshake line of all places, is so beyond the pale as to be almost unbelievable. Except for how it's on video, heh.

This is a sports where, in the professional ranks, goons are the norm and fighting is allowed, if not encouraged.

Oh, I know you can. Hell I've seen it, live. I don't think he was spared because of the nature of the game... I just always find it interesting, especially with hockey, a sport I couldn't give a flip about, that we want decorum at the youth level, and yet, in the professional ranks, and especially in the minors, the reason we go to the damn game is to watch people kick each other's *****.

I don't know when you last went to a hockey game but goons aren't the norm and fighting is certainly not encouraged and is barely allowed, which is the way it's been for more than a decade, much to the detriment of the sport, imo.

However, not now or before did hockey fans go to watch people fight (except for the certain rare, very particular game). Fighting in hockey is not and was never about anything close to a coach tripping a kid at the handshake line. In fact, pretty much any NHL player current, former, or dead, would happily pound the coach for doing such a thing. That's not acceptable behaviour, nor would it be in a professional game.

Geoff - Minor in Ca is age as of Dec 31.

 

[Alsobrook]

Just wow. Breaking a childs wrist, purposely, doesn't compare to speeding.

Just wow, wow. Holy crap. I can't believe you would even put physically assaulting a child in the same vein as speeding.

How many assaults upon children should a coach get before being barred from coaching again? 2? 5? 25? oh wait...the magic number is 48, right?

Good Lord, we are really in trouble if people think that someone that is supposed to train your child for a sport and teach them how to respect the game and other players should get a couple times of purposely causing them injury before they are ejected from the sport. If a parent did this, what then? Another player? He should get another chance because he's a coach?

How about "He's an adult." Adults, especially those who choose to teach children, need to maintain a higher bar. THEY are supposed to be examples to the children of how things are done. Once you decide to take the job, you need to perform the job correctly.

I hope they ban him for life. What he did was ugly, uncalled for and to let him continue coaching will set a dangerous precedent for what should be expected from a coach of a children's team.

Maybe he could use some anger managagement therapy or something. Whatever, I hope he's toast.

It's not a speeding verses tripping a wee little innocent child of God and OMG the cruelty, damn that coach to Hell for eternity kind of argument. It's a make sure the punishment fits the crime.

If we banned people for life for every mistake they ever make in whatever we do......oh nevermind.... it involves a kid so we can't react rationally to it at all.

 

[ols386]

If you get caught speeding more than 20 mph over the limit and you're under 18, in my state, you lose your license for one year...not the rest of your life.

We don't think very much anymore.

Ban the guy for life? Ok. Is he a good coach? Can he learn from the mistake? Can he ever be forgiven and earn his way back?

Just wow.

The comparison is not even remotely close.

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

It's not a speeding verses tripping a wee little innocent child of God and OMG the cruelty, damn that coach to Hell for eternity kind of argument. It's a make sure the punishment fits the crime.

If we banned people for life for every mistake they ever make in whatever we do......oh nevermind.... it involves a kid so we can't react rationally to it at all.

Keeping your calm, and remaining professional when working with kids who are pushing your every button is a critical skills for coaches, teachers etc . . . especially those who work with adolescent boys. Showing that you don't have this skill means you aren't fit for the job. Period. No second chances.

 

[Alsobrook]

The comparison is not even remotely close.

Ok. I say it is.

 

[Alsobrook]

Keeping your calm, and remaining professional when working with kids who are pushing your every button is a critical skills for coaches, teachers etc . . . especially those who work with adolescent boys. Showing that you don't have this skill means you aren't fit for the job. Period. No second chances.

Ah yes, because we are on the all or nothing, black and white Disboards where there's no grey area and the second you screw up, it's banned for life.

Second chances are for losers. Perfection is a must.


One of the best football coaches I've ever known threw a clipboard at a kid right as the kid was taking off his helmet. The clipboard sailed high and hit the kid in the eye. Since that incident, and after serving a year long suspension, that coach spent the next 20 years coaching football with never so much as a single misstep, and there are 20 years of kids and parents who are thrilled some ****** didn't "ban him for life" after what was most certainly an egregious act. The man was allowed to atone for and learn from his mistake and it made him a better man and coach for two more decades on the sidelines.

 

[Disney Doll]

I don't know when you last went to a hockey game but goons aren't the norm and fighting is certainly not encouraged and is barely allowed, which is the way it's been for more than a decade, much to the detriment of the sport, imo.

However, not now or before did hockey fans go to watch people fight (except for the certain rare, very particular game). Fighting in hockey is not and was never about anything close to a coach tripping a kid at the handshake line. In fact, pretty much any NHL player current, former, or dead, would happily pound the coach for doing such a thing. That's not acceptable behaviour, nor would it be in a professional game.

Geoff - Minor in Ca is age as of Dec 31.

NOt a big hockey fan, mainly because every time I see a professional hockey game on TV, all they are doing is beating each other half to death.

College and down don't allow so much violence, but professional hockey? Please...

As far as this guy....no matter how big of an idiot the teenager was acting like, you're the adult. You just don't do it.

 

[ols386]

Ah yes, because we are on the all or nothing, black and white Disboards where there's no grey area and the second you screw up, it's banned for life.

Second chances are for losers. Perfection is a must.


One of the best football coaches I've ever known threw a clipboard at a kid right as the kid was taking off his helmet. The clipboard sailed high and hit the kid in the eye. Since that incident, and after serving a year long suspension, that coach spent the next 20 years coaching football with never so much as a single misstep, and there are 20 years of kids and parents who are thrilled some ****** didn't "ban him for life" after what was most certainly an egregious act. The man was allowed to atone for and learn from his mistake and it made him a better man and coach for two more decades on the sidelines.

See Disney Doll's post above, it makes sense.

 

[Alsobrook]

See Disney Doll's post above, it makes sense.

It sure does. I'm not sure why I needed to be directed to it, though. For starters, I think I've said at least 1/2 a dozen times that I'm not defending the coach and that he shouldn't have done what he did.....what am I missing here.....

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

It's not a speeding verses tripping a wee little innocent child of God and OMG the cruelty, damn that coach to Hell for eternity kind of argument. It's a make sure the punishment fits the crime.

If we banned people for life for every mistake they ever make in whatever we do......oh nevermind.... it involves a kid so we can't react rationally to it at all.

It's not the mistake, it's the fact that in his wee little brain it seemed like an appropriate thing to do. Whether the kids wrist was broken or not isn't the point. The point is he chose to do it. He chose to strike out at a child. He chose to do it right out in the open, like he had every right to treat the child like that. THAT is the problem. If he thinks it's okay to do that infront of entire stadium full of people, what's he doing behind the scenes?

That's why he should be barred. Because he has shown that he can't be trusted to work with children, that he has a volatile temper, is a vindictive bully (OMG THE B WORD!) and that he has no self control. All reasons he shouldn't be allowed to continue to coach.

 

[declansdad]

NOt a big hockey fan, mainly because every time I see a professional hockey game on TV, all they are doing is beating each other half to death.

College and down don't allow so much violence, but professional hockey? Please...

As far as this guy....no matter how big of an idiot the teenager was acting like, you're the adult. You just don't do it.

You obviously don't watch much professional hockey. It is not the game it used to be.

 

[Alsobrook]

You obviously don't watch much professional hockey. It is not the game it used to be.

Hardly anybody watches much professional hockey anymore. Go figure.

 

[Alsobrook]

It's not the mistake, it's the fact that in his wee little brain it seemed like an appropriate thing to do. Whether the kids wrist was broken or not isn't the point. The point is he chose to do it. He chose to strike out at a child. He chose to do it right out in the open, like he had every right to treat the child like that. THAT is the problem. If he thinks it's okay to do that infront of entire stadium full of people, what's he doing behind the scenes?

That's why he should be barred. Because he has shown that he can't be trusted to work with children, that he has a volatile temper, is a vindictive bully (OMG THE B WORD!) and that he has no self control. All reasons he shouldn't be allowed to continue to coach.

See, even you get caught up in the insignificant details.... which is it, that he did it to a child? That he did it to a child out in the open. That he did it in a full stadium?

Would you feel differently if he did it to a grown man? A woman? I suppose it would be worse if he did it to a little girl and or a dog.

Look, I am not suggesting I don't understand the animosity people feel towards this person, but I just think it's ridiculous to ban someone for life from something like this. That's a punishment that doesn't fit the circumstance in my view.

 

[declansdad]

Hardly anybody watches much professional hockey anymore. Go figure.

I beg to differ. We watched it all the time in Canada and numbers have gone up in the US.

 

[Alsobrook]

I beg to differ. We watched it all the time in Canada and numbers have gone up in the US.

I couldn't care less what you watched in Canada, and saying the numbers have gone up in the US is ridiculous. 4 people used to watch, now 6 do. More people would rather watch the "fireplace channel" than watch hockey. The NHL is inexplicably still considered one of the "four major professional sports" in America. It doesn't hold a candle to football, baseball, or basketball. It's awful television viewing, and in a 2012 poll of men ages 21-45, when asked their preference, 84% said they would rather watch paint dry, chew glass, go to the ballet, go vegan, go without beer for 3 months, and get a poodle before they watched a minute of a hockey game.

 

[declansdad]

I couldn't care less what you watched in Canada, and saying the numbers have gone up in the US is ridiculous. 4 people used to watch, now 6 do. More people would rather watch the "fireplace channel" than watch hockey. The NHL is inexplicably still considered one of the "four major professional sports" in America. It doesn't hold a candle to football, baseball, or basketball. It's awful television viewing, and in a 2012 poll of men ages 21-45, when asked their preference, 84% said they would rather watch paint dry, chew glass, go to the ballet, go vegan, go without beer for 3 months, and get a poodle before they watched a minute of a hockey game.

Tell that to NBC, they are saying their ratings have increased over last year.

As for television viewing, baseball is slow and boring as hell, football is all starts and stop and pro basketball has to be the worst sport for using different rules for its top players.

I bet you numbers would be a lot different in the North-East and Mid-West where people understand hockey. If others took the time to figure it out they would see why it is one of the most exciting games to watch.

 

[Alsobrook]

Tell that to NBC, they are saying their ratings have increased over last year.

As for television viewing, baseball is slow and boring as hell, football is all starts and stop and pro basketball has to be the worst sport for using different rules for its top players.

I bet you numbers would be a lot different in the North-East and Mid-West where people understand hockey. If others took the time to figure it out they would see why it is one of the most exciting games to watch.

Of course NBC's numbers go up..... when you have large market teams in the playoffs, your numbers go up. Put two small market teams in the finals and they'll have trouble selling ad time.

Hockey sucks on TV because the puck doesn't show up well and not enough people understand the game....and *gasp* that doesn't really change because people don't really care.

And be as critical of the other sports all you want.... they are all three still far more popular than hockey and will probably always be more popular than hockey. Hell, women's college softball is more popular than hockey.