Bad show disney!!!

[DonaldTDuck]

You didn't miss much...those were ALWAYS the worst bathrooms in MK

What did you expect? Have you ever seen a clean service station bathroom?

 

[sbell111]

Yes and No.

I believe the frustration many feel, myself included, is that Disney World in particular has gone from a place that was as close to perfection that was realistically possible to a place that has sacrificed its high quality and standards in the name of profits.

Obviously in the case of the construction you can't hide every single thing from view however the frustration that many, once again, including myself are feeling is the lack of even trying to hide things. There is simply no mystery to anything they are doing.

Disney simply does not seem to care like they once did about things. back stage areas are not secrets, gone are the days where a select few ventured backstage, now it is open to anyone with cash to spend.

It all comes back to the very standards that Disney set many years ago, the ones that separate them from their competition, its the Disney difference, this is whats been forgotten. It's why people pay more to visit Disney over any other theme park in the world.

Obviously some people have expectations that cant be met and are unrealistic however expecting the same quality that was once a company standard is not unrealistic in my opinion.

Your argument is that because they offer backstage tours, they have abandoned their standards? I don't get your logic there. After all, it's not like they are requiring you to go backstage. For many that choose to take the tours, teh magic is actually strengthened since you can see everything that goes into making the magic and the lengths they go to shield backstage from the average visitor.

 

[sydneysmom]

I don't get what the big deal is. It's not like they bulldozed the house with Mickey still in it.

I don't know why, but that just CRACKED ME UP!! I just picture the white glove coming up from the rubble....talk about messing with a kid for life !!

 

[superslickdls]

Bad show indeed.

I think they should have dressed up all the construction vehicles like animals. Like the crane could have been a realistic looking elephant and the bulldozer would be a rhino. And instead of stopping for water, they would say that they are stopping at the lush oasis with the other animals.

Or they could have had one of the workers dress up like Handy Manny and whenever the train pulled into the station, they would do a disney playhouse show.

 

[Megan_J]

Gee, ya think?

Oh my, I am pretty sure my whole vacation was ruined because I had to see construction at POFQ. It completely took the magic out of my trip. Imagine that....I had to look at trucks, supplies, gated walkways, open doors, partially completed rooms and construction workers.......oh, the horror!

It completely got in the way of all those cm's whose job it is to walk around and blow pixie dust all over any space that I walk in or look at.

I really think I should get a refund or better yet........a two week fully paid trip to a deluxe resort, dining plan, gigantic gift card and airfare from home. Only then will I be satisfied!!! No....wait!!! I would also prefer perfect weather, no lines for anything and that all bathrooms would be "eat off the floor" clean. I think that should cover everything.

I want to see a lawsuit on The Peoples Court based on all that!

 

[Planogirl]

Yes and No.

I believe the frustration many feel, myself included, is that Disney World in particular has gone from a place that was as close to perfection that was realistically possible to a place that has sacrificed its high quality and standards in the name of profits.

Obviously in the case of the construction you can't hide every single thing from view however the frustration that many, once again, including myself are feeling is the lack of even trying to hide things. There is simply no mystery to anything they are doing.

Disney simply does not seem to care like they once did about things. back stage areas are not secrets, gone are the days where a select few ventured backstage, now it is open to anyone with cash to spend.

It all comes back to the very standards that Disney set many years ago, the ones that separate them from their competition, its the Disney difference, this is whats been forgotten. It's why people pay more to visit Disney over any other theme park in the world.

Obviously some people have expectations that cant be met and are unrealistic however expecting the same quality that was once a company standard is not unrealistic in my opinion.

I agree that Disney's standards have fallen over time but to me this construction bit is pretty minor. I worry more about other factors that actually affect our trips. But to each their own. I understand what one person sees as pretty minor could a big deal to someone else.

 

[maxiesmom]

I want to see a lawsuit on The Peoples Court based on all that!

No, we need Judge Judy! She is much tougher!

Just watched the video. Honestly, people are upset because they can kind of see thru the screens? Wow. People will really look for things to get upset over.Sad.

 

[Oglet]

I agree that Disney's standards have fallen over time but to me this construction bit is pretty minor. I worry more about other factors that actually affect our trips. But to each their own. I understand what one person sees as pretty minor could a big deal to someone else.

Oh I agree totally, the construction is just one part of the whole big picture.

I guess my point is, they don't even really try anymore and the job they done with the construction (while pretty minor) is just one of many examples where they have fallen short.

 

[Planogirl]

Oh I agree totally, the construction is just one part of the whole big picture.

I guess my point is, they don't even really try anymore and the job they done with the construction (while pretty minor) is just one of many examples where they have fallen short.

I get what you're saying. The visible construction by itself would probably be no big deal to most people but when you add it to other things that seem substandard, it seems sloppy.

Personally, I'm kind of fascinated by the construction so I wouldn't mind as much. I'm a frustrated engineer who never gets to build (or tear down) anything.

 

[Oglet]

I get what you're saying. The visible construction by itself would probably be no big deal to most people but when you add it to other things that seem substandard, it seems sloppy.

Personally, I'm kind of fascinated by the construction so I wouldn't mind as much. I'm a frustrated engineer who never gets to build (or tear down) anything.

Oh I am too, thats why I was taking the video on my camera.

I will give Disney credit, I honestly thought Petes Garage would have just been a re-themed restroom.

 

[mdsoccermom]

Yes and No.

I believe the frustration many feel, myself included, is that Disney World in particular has gone from a place that was as close to perfection that was realistically possible to a place that has sacrificed its high quality and standards in the name of profits.

Obviously in the case of the construction you can't hide every single thing from view however the frustration that many, once again, including myself are feeling is the lack of even trying to hide things. There is simply no mystery to anything they are doing.

Disney simply does not seem to care like they once did about things. back stage areas are not secrets, gone are the days where a select few ventured backstage, now it is open to anyone with cash to spend.

It all comes back to the very standards that Disney set many years ago, the ones that separate them from their competition, its the Disney difference, this is whats been forgotten. It's why people pay more to visit Disney over any other theme park in the world.

Obviously some people have expectations that cant be met and are unrealistic however expecting the same quality that was once a company standard is not unrealistic in my opinion.

You do know that Disney is a business and has ALWAYS been about the profits?

Of course they are going to give tours to people with money to spend. They realized there was a demand for backstage tours - that people wanted to see what went on behind the scenes - and created that opportunity. As long as people are willing to spend that money, then Disney will welcome it. It's called business.

 

[Oglet]

You do know that Disney is a business and has ALWAYS been about the profits?

Of course they are going to give tours to people with money to spend. They realized there was a demand for backstage tours - that people wanted to see what went on behind the scenes - and created that opportunity. As long as people are willing to spend that money, then Disney will welcome it. It's called business.

Thank you for the business 101 lesson.

Of course I know Disney is a business and has always been about profits, just because you can make more money from doing something it doesn't mean you should.

I will tell you something, the only reason the company is able to get away with the cost cutting and sloppy work today is because their standard was once so high that it has been able to support it. There will come a time when it will eventually will catch up with them and suddenly Disney will be just like everyone else.

 

[Wadecool]

Oh No'es, not everyone in a public forum agrees with me.

bunch of meanies!

On a side note, watching Charlie Sheen a heck of a lot today, do Crazy people know that what they are saying is crazy?

Isn't it hilarious when people come onto an internet forum and are shocked/outraged that others don't see things their way? To me, that's what makes it fun & entertaining. Who's up for another thread about 12 year olds riding in strollers?

BTW, Charlie Sheen is not crazy. Haven't you heard, he's got tiger blood in his veins.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Gee, ya think?

Oh my, I am pretty sure my whole vacation was ruined because I had to see construction at POFQ. It completely took the magic out of my trip. Imagine that....I had to look at trucks, supplies, gated walkways, open doors, partially completed rooms and construction workers.......oh, the horror!

It completely got in the way of all those cm's whose job it is to walk around and blow pixie dust all over any space that I walk in or look at.

I really think I should get a refund or better yet........a two week fully paid trip to a deluxe resort, dining plan, gigantic gift card and airfare from home. Only then will I be satisfied!!! No....wait!!! I would also prefer perfect weather, no lines for anything and that all bathrooms would be "eat off the floor" clean. I think that should cover everything.

you can make fun of pixie dust all you want...and I do sort of detest the term...but it is precisely that "intangible" that separates WDW from just about every other vacation destination in the world.

 

[WDSearcher]

Yes and No.

I believe the frustration many feel, myself included, is that Disney World in particular has gone from a place that was as close to perfection that was realistically possible to a place that has sacrificed its high quality and standards in the name of profits.

Obviously in the case of the construction you can't hide every single thing from view however the frustration that many, once again, including myself are feeling is the lack of even trying to hide things. There is simply no mystery to anything they are doing.

It all comes back to the very standards that Disney set many years ago, the ones that separate them from their competition, its the Disney difference, this is whats been forgotten. It's why people pay more to visit Disney over any other theme park in the world.

Obviously some people have expectations that cant be met and are unrealistic however expecting the same quality that was once a company standard is not unrealistic in my opinion.

Disney has never really been "as close to perfection as realistically possible." I can remember trips in the late 1970s where we had bad CS food, had to stand in line forever for popular rides (with no FP available), encountered indifferent CMs, and saw > gasp! < painters at work on Main Street. However, because "the good old days" are always better than the "now", the bad moments kind of fade into the collective fuzziness of the memory. (Because back in the 70s, digital cameras didn't exist, nor did the Internet, and so people didn't exhaustively document every bit of chipped paint or burned-out lightbulb and share that information in chat rooms, so that everyone else can go visit WDW and specifically look for stuff that's wrong so that they can come back and be indignant too.)

Disney has, at some level, always sacrificed it's standards for profits. Look at all the really bad movies that came out during the Card Walker years when everything was one big formula, and the catchphrase was "put the Disney name on it and people will buy it." But again ... no Facebook pages or DIS boards to discuss things on. If people were indignant, they just kind of kept it to themselves. And then Little Mermaid came along and fixed the problem.

I don't think that the company has changed near as much as the reporting system has changed. Someone sees a bit of backstage construction and so they report on how horrible it is to see that, causing more and more people to go and look at it when otherwise they'd have never noticed. Someone gets to wake up Tinkerbell and they talk about it and then other people get mad because they didn't get to wake up Tinkerbell on their trips and that's then somehow Disney's fault.

I think if people looked at Disney history without the benefit of nostalgia, they'd see that Disney has always been a very "human" place. Even the opening day of Disneyland was fraught with problems, including not enough food, asphalt that literally melted under peoples' feet, and shows that were under-rehearsed disasters. But no one remembers that part. Just like ten years from now, no one is going to remember that moment on the train when they saw Mickey's house being demo'd or the time they met a grumpy CM. And if they DO remember it, it will be as kind of a funny anecdote about their trip "back in 2010".

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Disney has never really been "as close to perfection as realistically possible." I can remember trips in the late 1970s where we had bad CS food, had to stand in line forever for popular rides (with no FP available), encountered indifferent CMs, and saw > gasp! < painters at work on Main Street. However, because "the good old days" are always better than the "now", the bad moments kind of fade into the collective fuzziness of the memory. (Because back in the 70s, digital cameras didn't exist, nor did the Internet, and so people didn't exhaustively document every bit of chipped paint or burned-out lightbulb and share that information in chat rooms, so that everyone else can go visit WDW and specifically look for stuff that's wrong so that they can come back and be indignant too.)

Disney has, at some level, always sacrificed it's standards for profits. Look at all the really bad movies that came out during the Card Walker years when everything was one big formula, and the catchphrase was "put the Disney name on it and people will buy it." But again ... no Facebook pages or DIS boards to discuss things on. If people were indignant, they just kind of kept it to themselves. And then Little Mermaid came along and fixed the problem.

I don't think that the company has changed near as much as the reporting system has changed. Someone sees a bit of backstage construction and so they report on how horrible it is to see that, causing more and more people to go and look at it when otherwise they'd have never noticed. Someone gets to wake up Tinkerbell and they talk about it and then other people get mad because they didn't get to wake up Tinkerbell on their trips and that's then somehow Disney's fault.

I think if people looked at Disney history without the benefit of nostalgia, they'd see that Disney has always been a very "human" place. Even the opening day of Disneyland was fraught with problems, including not enough food, asphalt that literally melted under peoples' feet, and shows that were under-rehearsed disasters. But no one remembers that part. Just like ten years from now, no one is going to remember that moment on the train when they saw Mickey's house being demo'd or the time they met a grumpy CM. And if they DO remember it, it will be as kind of a funny anecdote about their trip "back in 2010".

I would have agreed with this before I read some of Walt's biographies. he was devastated by the DL opening and promptly fixed every one of those problems. He even apologized for the sub standard showing.

We worked tirelessly to bring an entertainment complex that was different and better than any other in the world. And he succeeded.

The movies suffered for a time because they lost focus. Walt stopped being involved and then he died. Thank goodness they found that focus again. Look at them now.

do we want WDW to suffer an interim period like what happened to the movies? or do we want to continue to expect the best? to me the answer is clear.

 

[chessie2008]

I didn't think the video was that bad - except for when the announcer said to come back and the new fantasyland would be done in about a year. I thought only the first few things would be openned by next year this time?

 

[WDSearcher]

I would have agreed with this before I read some of Walt's biographies. he was devastated by the DL opening and promptly fixed every one of those problems. He even apologized for the sub standard showing.

Yes he did. Although I don't believe he gave anyone their money back. But seriously ... what was he GOING to do? It was well-documented on TV and in the press. Not like he could say, "Oh no ... that NEVER happened". What he should have done was change opening day and not open the park until the place was ready to be seen by Guests. I mean ... isn't that the exact same argument people toss at DAK and DCA? That they opened before they were ready? That Disney charged people to come and visit half-finished parks? That's what Disneyland was in July 1955. It can be said that Disney has simply been following Walt's lead.

We worked tirelessly to bring an entertainment complex that was different and better than any other in the world. And he succeeded.

He did. But it took years for Disney to figure out how to handle crowds and keep everything running. Thankfully, Disneyland used to be closed for several months of the year so that everything could be refreshed and refurbished without inconveniencing anyone. I think maybe people forget that Disneyland wasn't always a year-round, open every day park. It was a lot easier for Walt's gang to maintain things -- they had actual closed days when work could be done and maintenance performed without having to worry about running the park too. That's much more difficult now. When the park is closed, Guests aren't complaining because a ride is down for rehab.

The movies suffered for a time because they lost focus. Walt stopped being involved and then he died. Thank goodness they found that focus again. Look at them now.

do we want WDW to suffer an interim period like what happened to the movies? or do we want to continue to expect the best? to me the answer is clear.

Of course we want to continue to expect the best. But to expect that nothing will ever go wrong is not the same thing. My point was that Walt wasn't perfect. Everyone just remembers that he was.

 

[declansdad]

Of course we want to continue to expect the best. But to expect that nothing will ever go wrong is not the same thing. My point was that Walt wasn't perfect. Everyone just remembers that he was.

What do you mean Walt wasn't perfect? Oh the shame, the shame!!


Actually, I'm happy they are always looking for ways to change and emhance the parks. Do they all work out, no but they keep trying. What more could you ask for??

 

[WeemanMom]

We've been to Toontown, Mickey's house was SO boring. There was nothing to do. My daughter was not quite 2 when SHE went the first time. She was just shy of 5 when we went again. She was thoroughly bored with Mickey's house and she wasn't overly thrilled with the rest of Toontown.

One of the things that keeps my family coming back is the constant change. There is always something new going on. My kids are 19, 16, and 7 now and they are exceptionally excited about our trip this coming August. All three have been telling their friends, just going on and on about Disney. They are looking forward to some old favorites...and some new ones as well.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the curtain being up. I do wonder why the stop was so long... but I don't think it was that horrible either. Personally, I would have enjoyed trying to see through! hehehe

Keep up the good work Disney!