Bad news about me coming back...

[Nanoer]

there's no use to *ahem change my ip or mask it or get a anoymous ip because vmk banned ALLLLLLLLLLL of my hardware so basicly i need a totally new computer or a totally new hard drive and deleted all my ram

 

[maliboomer]

If you are desperate contact, or get someone to contact, your provider (whoever gives you internet, AOL, etc.). They will be able to do something.

..And this works on some computers:
1.) Press Start, then Run, and type CMD
3.) It will open system command...
4.) Type ipconfig/release, press enter
5.) Wait for some information to appear then..
6.)Type ipconfig/renew

Hope you can get back!

 

[LuvN~Travel]

My sister finally got hers to work again from her son's ban six months ago, by uninstalling shock wave, and reinstalling it of all things. She had been able to bring home a laptop and still use the i.p. address, but that computer would not work. She got the shock wave hint from some website.
Good luck
Kim

 

[mtlhddoc2]

well, the only type of bans they can level are cookie bans or IP bans, so clearing your cookies and release/renew ip should take care of it

 

[aeryn]

there's no use to *ahem change my ip or mask it or get a anoymous ip because vmk banned ALLLLLLLLLLL of my hardware so basicly i need a totally new computer or a totally new hard drive and deleted all my ram

Ok, so first off, VMK CAN NOT "ban your hardware". It's not possible. They *can* ban your IP address. Getting a new computer, deleting the hard drive and "deleting the ram" (which also isn't possible as that is the *physical* memory in your computer) won't do a thing.

In some post I made somewhere about this topic I've already explained the type of IP that your ISP gives you. Typically it is a "sticky" ip, meaning unless you turn the cable or dsl modem off for a number of days, when your modem goes to renew the lease on the IP, it will "prefer" the one you have already. If your modem is off for, however long the lease period is, then you won't have an IP so it'll just pull a new one out of the pool of IPs.

Second, they can issue a ban on your user id that is temporary -- it's not usually done at the cookie level, since naturally, you can get around it via clearing cookies.

Just clearing up your misinformation.

 

[JeanJoe]

Thanks for your clarifications aeryn -- I've also been following some of these threads / posts with a bit of skepticism, although my level of internet and networking knowledge isn't high enough to know what *is* or *is not* possible.

Could you confirm something for me? Media Access Control (MAC) addresses should not be accessible to them, right? Only your own local router should be able to see that, as it's not part of HTTP protocols? Or is it possible for them to have Shockwave send them MAC addresses? I don't know what information Shockwave does or does not have access to.

Ok, so first off, VMK CAN NOT "ban your hardware". It's not possible. They *can* ban your IP address. Getting a new computer, deleting the hard drive and "deleting the ram" (which also isn't possible as that is the *physical* memory in your computer) won't do a thing.

In some post I made somewhere about this topic I've already explained the type of IP that your ISP gives you. Typically it is a "sticky" ip, meaning unless you turn the cable or dsl modem off for a number of days, when your modem goes to renew the lease on the IP, it will "prefer" the one you have already. If your modem is off for, however long the lease period is, then you won't have an IP so it'll just pull a new one out of the pool of IPs.

Second, they can issue a ban on your user id that is temporary -- it's not usually done at the cookie level, since naturally, you can get around it via clearing cookies.

Just clearing up your misinformation.

 

[Momie]

Ok, so first off, VMK CAN NOT "ban your hardware". It's not possible. They *can* ban your IP address. Getting a new computer, deleting the hard drive and "deleting the ram" (which also isn't possible as that is the *physical* memory in your computer) won't do a thing.

In some post I made somewhere about this topic I've already explained the type of IP that your ISP gives you. Typically it is a "sticky" ip, meaning unless you turn the cable or dsl modem off for a number of days, when your modem goes to renew the lease on the IP, it will "prefer" the one you have already. If your modem is off for, however long the lease period is, then you won't have an IP so it'll just pull a new one out of the pool of IPs.

Second, they can issue a ban on your user id that is temporary -- it's not usually done at the cookie level, since naturally, you can get around it via clearing cookies.

Just clearing up your misinformation.

As my sister stated in the post above yours my son got our desk top computer banned. We did have accsess to a lap top in our home and it was not banned. I had tried several times to change our IP address but it still did not solve the problem, we were even with out our DSL for a month. A couple of weeks ago I was fed up and we no longer had the lap Top and my kids were really missing VMK (I can play at work). I did a search and found a site that suggested uninstalling and reinstalling flashplayer. So I tried uninstalling flashplayer but for some reason it would not. So I tried uninstalling Shockwave, which did uninstall and I redownloaded and installed. I went straight to VMK logged in and ban was gone. I don't understand computer stuff but I know that doing what I said worked for me. I have quite a few computer savy friends and my brother and all were amazed.

Robin

 

[mtlhddoc2]

Could you confirm something for me? Media Access Control (MAC) addresses should not be accessible to them, right? Only your own local router should be able to see that, as it's not part of HTTP protocols? Or is it possible for them to have Shockwave send them MAC addresses? I don't know what information Shockwave does or does not have access to.

MAC addresses are only viewable by the immediate network, or if you cede control to another computer. You can see your ip address by typing cmd.exe in the Run part of your start menu and then using "ipconfig /p" then write it down and do ipconfig /renew (there are other ways but thats the easiest). if you type in ipconfig /p again it will show you your new ip, if it is different, then you should be good to go. no way VMK would ban a domain host

 

[aeryn]

As my sister stated in the post above yours my son got our desk top computer banned. We did have accsess to a lap top in our home and it was not banned. I had tried several times to change our IP address but it still did not solve the problem, we were even with out our DSL for a month. A couple of weeks ago I was fed up and we no longer had the lap Top and my kids were really missing VMK (I can play at work). I did a search and found a site that suggested uninstalling and reinstalling flashplayer. So I tried uninstalling flashplayer but for some reason it would not. So I tried uninstalling Shockwave, which did uninstall and I redownloaded and installed. I went straight to VMK logged in and ban was gone. I don't understand computer stuff but I know that doing what I said worked for me. I have quite a few computer savy friends and my brother and all were amazed.

Robin

If this is the case then they are embedding something (more persistant than a cookie) within the shockwave applets they use to recognise a ban.

My original advice that 'deleting a computer/hard drive or ram' won't solve the problem still stands. Deleting the application (shockwave) that you are using is entirely valid.

 

[Nanoer]

but Karo say that they banned his hardware when he got banned... and i tried to use an anoymous ip to try and it said your COMPUTER is banned and i tried like 15 good ip hiding/anoymous ip websites and programs

 

[aeryn]

but Karo say that they banned his hardware when he got banned... and i tried to use an anoymous ip to try and it said your COMPUTER is banned and i tried like 15 good ip hiding/anoymous ip websites and programs

Well, I know this will come as a shock, but Karo was wrong.

In all likelihood, they've tagged something in the shockwave you have installed (and the code they need to run).

By the way, getting 'around' a ban is against VMK rules and very well could have them doing something more drastic like deleting the character completely. If you have a 10 year ban, then it's probably noted on the character as well, so even deleting & reinstalling shockwave won't help as they'll just not allow the character itself to log in.

 

[JeanJoe]

Does anybody else have privacy concerns if this is indeed the case?

I prefer to know about and control what information is being tracked about me. Or, for that matter, what things are being PUT on my computer, if there is something "persistent" being left behind. Anyone know just what shockwave has access to?

Well, at least it's "just" shockwave. It's not like it's an downloaded application that sends your password file or gives root access... (or so we think )

If this is the case then they are embedding something (more persistant than a cookie) within the shockwave applets they use to recognise a ban.

 

[Momie]

Does anybody else have privacy concerns if this is indeed the case?

I prefer to know about and control what information is being tracked about me. Anyone know just what shockwave has access to?

Well, at least it's "just" shockwave. It's not like it's an downloaded application that sends your password file or gives root access... (or so we think )

LOL, Yes Joe after going through all this I have come to have big privacy concerns. From IP addresses all the way to the deal with shockwave. When I still think about the whole think being linked to shockwave I'm just blown away.

Robin

 

[Momie]

Well, I know this will come as a shock, but Karo was wrong.

In all likelihood, they've tagged something in the shockwave you have installed (and the code they need to run).

By the way, getting 'around' a ban is against VMK rules and very well could have them doing something more drastic like deleting the character completely. If you have a 10 year ban, then it's probably noted on the character as well, so even deleting & reinstalling shockwave won't help as they'll just not allow the character itself to log in.

aeryn, I do agree with you about the ban issue, but in this case there was more than one player in the household. My sons character is still banned as it should be and that is fine but my daughter or myself had done nothing wrong and their ban on the computer punished us all. We had tried many times to contact VMK on this issue but they are quite unforgiving and would not remove the computer ban. I most certainly respect what they do to protect the kids but they should try a little harder to work with people on these kind of problems.

Robin

 

[mtlhddoc2]

more than likely, if in fact it is something about shockwave, then it is probably that Shockwave itself has a signature, not VMK leaving something behind. I am no Shockwave expert, but I would put money on that.

And to quote the previous person "Karo was wrong" - they cannot ban your "computer" - noone, unless you cede control of your computer, can see your hardware. And if it was found that VMK was doing this, seeing MAC addresses, it would mean that they planted control software (IE: A virus) on your PC and then Disney wuld be liable for prosecution. Not just civil actions, but prosecution, with considerable jail time involved for the person(s) which approved that "installation without knowledge" procedure.

 

[Disney Dreams]

As for the ban, it appears that they have taken every possible step to make sure that a banned player does not come back. With technology today there are countless ways for them to do so - and it appears that they have.

As for privacy, simple fact is that when you sign up for just about anything today via the internet, it is being tracked, tagged, or idenitified. That woudl be the part in the user agreement about, "rights to use, share, etc..." I do not have it open right now, but I am sure there is language in there about how they are allowed to share our information.

Both of these issues tie back to all that can be done with computers these days. And the answer is, just about anything.

 

[Nanoer]

Well, I know this will come as a shock, but Karo was wrong.

In all likelihood, they've tagged something in the shockwave you have installed (and the code they need to run).

By the way, getting 'around' a ban is against VMK rules and very well could have them doing something more drastic like deleting the character completely. If you have a 10 year ban, then it's probably noted on the character as well, so even deleting & reinstalling shockwave won't help as they'll just not allow the character itself to log in.

i wasnt really trying to get "around" it i was trying to get this message i got once about me being banned but it was different so i'm trying to get a picture of it since i'm into editing pictures now!

 

[mtlhddoc2]

As for the ban, it appears that they have taken every possible step to make sure that a banned player does not come back. With technology today there are countless ways for them to do so - and it appears that they have.

In actuality, there are not that many ways for them to tag you, but it does appear that they have found one of the few. The most common is IP tagging, as this site (Disboards) does.

As for privacy, simple fact is that when you sign up for just about anything today via the internet, it is being tracked, tagged, or idenitified. That woudl be the part in the user agreement about, "rights to use, share, etc..." I do not have it open right now, but I am sure there is language in there about how they are allowed to share our information.

Actually, also, there is something in the TOS that says that they will NOT share your information with any other source unless they have your express permission to do so. The only thing they can share without your info is approximate location and demographics and usage pattern, they cannot share your name, email address, IP address or any other information you knowingly, or unknowling provide them.

 

[Disney Dreams]

In actuality, there are not that many ways for them to tag you, but it does appear that they have found one of the few. The most common is IP tagging, as this site (Disboards) does.



Actually, also, there is something in the TOS that says that they will NOT share your information with any other source unless they have your express permission to do so. The only thing they can share without your info is approximate location and demographics and usage pattern, they cannot share your name, email address, IP address or any other information you knowingly, or unknowling provide them.

Okay, I did not say they would share your personal information. I said that they collect and share info. Here is just part of the user agreement for vmk.

"As described in detail below, The Walt Disney Family of Companies may use your personally identifiable information in many ways, including sending you promotional materials, and sharing your information with third parties so that these third parties can send you promotional materials. (By "promotional materials," we mean communications that directly promote the use of our Web sites, or the purchase of products or services.) .... "

And it goes on for three pages.

 

[irisflower]

Hey,

Well that happened to me too, i got banned for 10 years on vmk for saying my sn. So I tried emailing them and sending them things, but trust me that doesn't work. So i called them, if you want email me (isabelis123 at yahoo) or ill post the disney vmk number they got back to me with in a week, i didn't have to wait 10 years for my account ot be unbanned.