Bad bus behavior - today - on 2 rides

[Sur]

My Tourette's always gets the best of me then I need to edit to remove! I need to learn to DO what I think, not SAY what I think and forewarn.

 

[heynowirv]

Sounds like philadelphia buses at rush hour.

Next you're gonna tell me people in Philadelphia still throw snowballs at Santa @ IGGLES games.

 

[Dean]

Sorry but if I get on first I will take a seat. I am exhausted after a full day and I don't owe anyone my seat. If parents have very young children or if someone is elderly they can avoid these problems by leaving the park before the mad dash. It's not that I won't give up my seat if someone needs it to be safe it's just that I get annoyed when people think they are more entitled to my seat than I am.

There is no amount of tiredness that would prevent me giving up my seat to someone such as described. To me it's what I was taught and believe as it relates to courteous behavior and decency.

 

[Sur]

That's why you are revered here, Dean. Simple as that.

 

[Luv2trav]

There is no amount of tiredness that would prevent me giving up my seat to someone such as described. To me it's what I was taught and believe as it relates to courteous behavior and decency.

Exactly!!! It's called manners and respect for others. Unfortunately not everyone was taught such. Thank you Dean.

 

[piccolopat]

Exactly!!! It's called manners and respect for others. Unfortunately not everyone was taught such. Thank you Dean.

In my view, respect and being courteous is a two way street. When my daughter was very young or when my elderly mother-in-law travelled with us, we knew that taking the bus during the end of night mad crush was not going to work. Mom needed to sit and our daughter was too tired and because she was tall for her age and I am short, she was difficult for me to hold. We made the decision in those days to rent a car to accommodate our needs. If others fail to consider their circumstances, I don't feel they should expect others to give up their seats. Yes, it is nice when people do so and I have done so many times but it's just the entitlement attitude (those young people should give up their seats...) that others mentioned in this thread that bothers me. People should expect to have to stand on these buses and if they can't for whatever reason they should plan to travel off peak, rent a car or take a taxi instead of being annoyed when they aren't offered a seat.

 

[Susiequsie60]

In my view, respect and being courteous is a two way street. When my daughter was very young or when my elderly mother-in-law travelled with us, we knew that taking the bus during the end of night mad crush was not going to work. Mom needed to sit and our daughter was too tired and because she was tall for her age and I am short, she was difficult for me to hold. We made the decision in those days to rent a car to accommodate our needs. If others fail to consider their circumstances, I don't feel they should expect others to give up their seats. Yes, it is nice when people do so and I have done so many times but it's just the entitlement attitude (those young people should give up their seats...) that others mentioned in this thread that bothers me. People should expect to have to stand on these buses and if they can't for whatever reason they should plan to travel off peak, rent a car or take a taxi instead of being annoyed when they aren't offered a seat.

With all due respect, many of the people here are posting saying that they would give up their seats gladly for the elderly or for someone holding a child. I personally have found that the people I (or my family) for whom we are giving up our seats are appreciative and in no way feel entitled. I agree with those who think it's the right thing to do - period. I don't think WDW is a place where one suspends his/her manners because it's not the real world.

 

[SWofDisorder]

The worst bus seating behavior I every saw was in the morning. We got on the bus after it had stopped at another resort. So standing room only for us. No complaint there. But evidently someone's child (about age 9 or so) got woken too early. The child was LAYING across three seats. The mother was sitting on the other side of the aisle. We stood there for the bus ride. Child never moved. At the park, the mother is "ok tommy, time to get up". It's wasn't like she had no idea. Why would anything think it's ok to take up three seats for one skinny little kid?

The best was during pop warner time. Looked like a coach and about 6-8 kids. Everyone was sitting. Next bus stop it would have been standing room only. At the stop, the coach told all the kids (about 9 ish in age), come on guys everybody stand up. And all the boys stood, giving up their seats.

Thank you for sharing about the coach, great to read and good to see young men having manners. We often try to be the last people out of the park knowing the buses are crushed with people. If we still have to wait we will take a bench and wait 10 minutes for another bus and know we can sit if we are that tired.

DH once gave up his seat for a woman holding a toddler. Unfortunately, she never said thank you and her friends put their very stinky arm pits right up to his face. It was icky but we made it to the park, washed up the restroom and had a good day.

 

[Dean]

In my view, respect and being courteous is a two way street. When my daughter was very young or when my elderly mother-in-law travelled with us, we knew that taking the bus during the end of night mad crush was not going to work. Mom needed to sit and our daughter was too tired and because she was tall for her age and I am short, she was difficult for me to hold. We made the decision in those days to rent a car to accommodate our needs. If others fail to consider their circumstances, I don't feel they should expect others to give up their seats. Yes, it is nice when people do so and I have done so many times but it's just the entitlement attitude (those young people should give up their seats...) that others mentioned in this thread that bothers me. People should expect to have to stand on these buses and if they can't for whatever reason they should plan to travel off peak, rent a car or take a taxi instead of being annoyed when they aren't offered a seat.

In a nutshell it's not that those mentioned should expect it to happen but rather a reflection on you or I if we don't do so in obvious situations.

 

[luckyman_apd]

I agree.

Bus lines can get pretty long at park closing time. If the bus is standing room only when it's time for us to board and we've worn ourselves out that day, we'll step aside and wait for the next bus so that we're guaranteed a seat. We've been pleasantly surprised how quickly another bus comes along, sometimes it's less than 5 minutes, in fact there are times when the next bus is pulling in as the overcrowded bus is pulling out.

I see taking Disney transportation as very different from using public transportation for work. At various times I have taken a bus or train to/from work that ran only once an hour so everyone crammed themselves on if at all possible. After sitting at a desk most of the day I had no problem giving up my seat to anyone who looked like they needed it more than I did. But at WDW the buses come more often and by choosing to wait for the next bus, guests can get a seat. If someone chooses to board a full bus rather than wait (and especially if I waited to get a seat because my feet are killing me and I'm exhausted) I'm unlikely to give up my seat. I'm also a bit older now than when I took public transportation to work and more likely to be offered a seat than be expected to offer up mine, but have offered my seat to a parent holding a small child.

The bus situation as far as schedule is bizarre. I thought the magic band location scanning was supposed to help that...but I guess they don't know where you are headed. We were just down for a 2 night adults weekend. We didn't ever have to wait very long....but I noticed several times waiting at BCV and BWV (1 night at each) that a MK bus would arrive, bus would fill, and then the very next bus was MK bus again! I get annoyed because people on that first bus could have had a seat if they had known to wait 2 minutes. They need a to make a screen like UBER so you can track the busses and where they are heading.....Now that would be awesome! (if you have never used UBER....when you open the app....any uber driver online is tracked through GPS on their phone....so you can see how close or far away they are or see if there are a lot of cars nearby to take.

 

[smjj]

What is getting mixed up here is this. Some may call it lack of manners or being rude if a seemingly health person does not give up their seat. In reality as many have stated here including myself(I am a health looking 63 year old) there are those who have conditions where they can't be expected to give up their seat and may look healthy. That is my case. I look health but have back issues but sometimes I get "that look". I usually give it up but boy do I pay for it later. Not anymore, on our next trip this June, If I get a seat and my back is still an issue, I sit...smjj

 

[Susiequsie60]

What is getting mixed up here is this. Some may call it lack of manners or being rude if a seemingly health person does not give up their seat. In reality as many have stated here including myself(I am a health looking 63 year old) there are those who have conditions where they can't be expected to give up their seat and may look healthy. That is my case. I look health but have back issues but sometimes I get "that look". I usually give it up but boy do I pay for it later. Not anymore, on our next trip this June, If I get a seat and my back is still an issue, I sit...smjj

I agree to a point, and I absolutely don't automatically judge seemingly healthy people who don't give up a seat. Lots of us have said that.

However, there are people here who are saying they are young, healthy and very capable (other than the fact that they are tired) who don't feel that they should give up their seats to someone who might be elderly or in some way in need of a seat. I'm not going to quote people specifically, but they are out there. To each his own, but there is no way I can agree with that.

 

[dnkmmw]

I agree to a point, and I absolutely don't automatically judge seemingly healthy people who don't give up a seat. Lots of us have said that.

However, there are people here who are saying they are young, healthy and very capable (other than the fact that they are tired) who don't feel that they should give up their seats to someone who might be elderly or in some way in need of a seat. I'm not going to quote people specifically, but they are out there. To each his own, but there is no way I can agree with that.

Here's my issue. As I've said, I believe I look healthy, I'm in my 30's but had major knee surgery last year after a serious injury. I know whether or not I am capable of standing on a bus, no one else does. If I have had it and just want to be back in the room, we hop in a cab. If I am okay waiting for a bus, but standing on the bus won't work, I make sure I will have a seat before getting on. It's usually easy enough to tell if there are more people than seats. In this case, we wait for the next bus. I will never ask, nor expect, or even hope for anyone to give their seat up for me. However, I am sure there are many people who have thought badly of me, that I wasn't raised right, etc because I look healthy yet will not give up my seat. So here I am, taking responsibily for my situation, yet people on this thread have made it clear that the right thing to do, as a healthy looking person, is to give up my seat.

It's been frequently mentioned on this thread, to give up a sit for someone who needs it more. How is one to know? Typically, we look at people and make our judgements that way, but really, that's not fair. I guess I just wish that people wouldn't be so quick to label others. Really, I appreciate those of you that stand up for others, but just because someone doesn't stand, it doesn't mean they weren't raised right.

Dawn

 

[smjj]

It's been frequently mentioned on this thread, to give up a sit for someone who needs it more. How is one to know? Typically, we look at people and make our judgements that way, but really, that's not fair. I guess I just wish that people wouldn't be so quick to label others. Really, I appreciate those of you that stand up for others, but just because someone doesn't stand, it doesn't mean they weren't raised right.

Dawn

Thanks you said it better than I did...smjj

 

[Susiequsie60]

I'm thinking I'm not making myself clear - and of course, I'm only speaking for myself.

When I'm on a crowded bus, I'm not checking out every person who is sitting and judging them for not giving up a seat to someone else with a more obvious need. I honestly don't spend that much time worrying about what other people do. Actually, my only concern is what I do, what my husband does, and what my kids do.

Here's what I am saying: If I see 15 - 20 young seemingly able-bodied people sitting, while an elderly person is standing, I will probably think that it appears strange to me. I can't believe that all of these people have an underlying condition keeping them from standing. I think it would be curious to me if all of these 15 - 20 people thought that they should be sitting merely because they are just as "tired" as everyone else.

I'm not judging individuals. I'm not. It's a general thought process about why people don't think it makes sense to give up a seat for someone else IF they are physically/mentally capable to do so.

 

[dnkmmw]

I'm thinking I'm not making myself clear - and of course, I'm only speaking for myself.

When I'm on a crowded bus, I'm not checking out every person who is sitting and judging them for not giving up a seat to someone else with a more obvious need. I honestly don't spend that much time worrying about what other people do. Actually, my only concern is what I do, what my husband does, and what my kids do.

Here's what I am saying: If I see 15 - 20 young seemingly able-bodied people sitting, while an elderly person is standing, I will probably think that it appears strange to me. I can't believe that all of these people have an underlying condition keeping them from standing. I think it would be curious to me if all of these 15 - 20 people thought that they should be sitting merely because they are just as "tired" as everyone else.

I'm not judging individuals. I'm not. It's a general thought process about why people don't think it makes sense to give up a seat for someone else IF they are physically/mentally capable to do so.

So basically I should feel better knowing that I'm not being judged as an individual, I'm just being lumped into a group of seemingly able-bodied people who may or may not be inconsiderate all based on how I look?

 

[daisyx3]

No one has mentioned this....at least once over the years I have been yelled at by a driver for looking on a bus and saying "We'll just wait for the next one." It was at BW headed to Downtown Disney. He said "It won't be here for 45 minutes (which I don't think was true, looking back) so you need to get on this one." So we crammed like sardines into the very last shred of standing room,and then several more people crammed in on top of that to where I was unable to move a muscle. Does that happen to anyone else? At that point I was ready to get a cab.
Daisyx3

 

[Dean]

I've had major back issues since I was in my mid 20's, compared to some we're talking, that is still small potatoes. Ultimately only the person, their family and their higher power will know for sure. It seems some are afraid to think of this as a rule because there are rare exceptions. It's seems like those who don't want to see grades in school, keep score in the ballgame or allow kids to play tag. Personally I'll get up and likely refuse to sit back down even if someone declines. I'll also allow others actions to reflect on their character either positively or negatively. If it were that much of an issue otherwise, I'd just drive.

 

[LisaS]

No one has mentioned this....at least once over the years I have been yelled at by a driver for looking on a bus and saying "We'll just wait for the next one." It was at BW headed to Downtown Disney. He said "It won't be here for 45 minutes (which I don't think was true, looking back) so you need to get on this one." So we crammed like sardines into the very last shred of standing room,and then several more people crammed in on top of that to where I was unable to move a muscle. Does that happen to anyone else? At that point I was ready to get a cab.
Daisyx3

In our experience Downtown Disney buses always seem to be few and far between so it's likely you would have waited a long wait for the next one. Waiting for the next bus is something we only do at park closing time because the resort buses arrive very frequently at that time.

It's a particular concern when we've spent too much time on our feet and DH's back is hurting and my feet are in so much pain I am hobbling along on the way to the bus stop. But since we're responsible for putting ourselves in that situation, we also take responsibility to do what's necessary to be sure we get a seat by opting to wait for another bus. I don't expect someone else who is probably just as tired as I am to offer me their seat, just as I wouldn't expect someone to let me cut in line for a ride in the park just because I'm older than they are and less comfortable standing for long periods of time. At park closing everybody is extremely tired so I think it's best to look out for yourself and your family and do what you need to do to ensure your own safety and comfort, even if that means spending a few bucks to take a taxi rather than the bus.

 

[Susiequsie60]

So basically I should feel better knowing that I'm not being judged as an individual, I'm just being lumped into a group of seemingly able-bodied people who may or may not be inconsiderate all based on how I look?

I'm really sorry, but to me, this sounds awfully defensive. And by the way, even if I were judging you, what the heck do you care? I'm a total stranger. Why do you care what I think about you? It seems like you actually care a lot. I'm just trying to explain that I'm really not judging people for not standing. I'm just a little curious how there could be 15 - 20 healthy looking young people, all with issues keeping them from standing. Or if those people are actually healthy with no concerns (other than tiredness) keeping them from standing, I'm glad they're not my husband or my kids. If you feel personally judged by that, it's your issue.

My goodness. I'm starting to feel judged for being part of a family that thinks it's the right thing to do to give up a seat on a crowded bus AND to have an opinion about it!