Avian Flu: Not to scare but to prepare mode

DVC Sadie said:
No problem. After Katrina last year dog food was one of the hardest things to find even after the few stores were re-stocked after being looted. Oh yes we also bought a lot of bullets this year. :thumbsup2 :teeth:
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I'm still wondering where you're going to store those 20 drums of gasoline safely.. :confused3
 
C.Ann said:
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Where will you keep (store) 20 drums of gasoline???? That sounds very dangerous to me.. :confused3
Since we lost our house in hurricane Katrina we are now living out in the country so we have a lot of land and a lot of space to store the gas. We had to store all this gas before and we gave it to elderly neighbors to run their cars, refridgerators, plus one neighbor 5 acres away needed gas to run the oxygen tank for her dh. The drums will be sealed. Its either that or we'll purchase a big gas tank and have it filled.
 
DVC Sadie said:
Since we lost our house in hurricane Katrina we are now living out in the country so we have a lot of land and a lot of space to store the gas. We had to store all this gas before and we gave it to elderly neighbors to run their cars, refridgerators, plus one neighbor 5 acres away needed gas to run the oxygen tank for her dh. The drums will be sealed. Its either that or we'll purchase a big gas tank and have it filled.
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Phew! I thought you were going to keep it in your garage or something - LOL.. That's very nice of you to have helped all those other people during their time of need.. We need more people like you! :thumbsup2
 
C.Ann said:
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Phew! I thought you were going to keep it in your garage or something - LOL.. That's very nice of you to have helped all those other people during their time of need.. We need more people like you! :thumbsup2
Thanks C. Ann. We try to help people in our neighborhood. Even I wouldn't store gas in our garage. :rotfl2: :thumbsup2
 

I will consider stocking up on extra supplies as soon as this flu starts making the human to human jump. It could be 20 years before this happens, what are you going to do with all that extra stuff between now and then???? I can see people in hurricane/earthquake country needing a large stockpile of goods but usually with tornado damage, a week or two is usually sufficient.
 
Schools urged to take bird flu preparations seriously
WASHINGTON - The nation's schools,
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recognized incubators of respiratory diseases among children, are being told to plan for the possibility of an outbreak of bird flu.

Who coordinates decisions on closing schools or quarantining kids? If classes shut down for weeks, how will a district keep kids from falling behind? Who will keep the payroll running, or ease the fear of parents, or provide food to children who count on school meals?

In Massachusetts, school administrators are considering using an automated phone bank to announce homework assignments and update parents. Another plan would use the Internet for communication between students and their teachers.

On Tuesday, Education Secretary Margaret Spellings joined Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt to encourage schools to prepare. Spellings said schools must be aware that they may have to close their buildings - or that their schools may need to be used as makeshift hospitals, quarantine sites or vaccination centers


- By The Associated Press
 
Wish I lived in Fl said:
Schools urged to take bird flu preparations seriously
WASHINGTON - The nation's schools,
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Related:
The full story
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recognized incubators of respiratory diseases among children, are being told to plan for the possibility of an outbreak of bird flu.

Who coordinates decisions on closing schools or quarantining kids? If classes shut down for weeks, how will a district keep kids from falling behind? Who will keep the payroll running, or ease the fear of parents, or provide food to children who count on school meals?

In Massachusetts, school administrators are considering using an automated phone bank to announce homework assignments and update parents. Another plan would use the Internet for communication between students and their teachers.

On Tuesday, Education Secretary Margaret Spellings joined Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt to encourage schools to prepare. Spellings said schools must be aware that they may have to close their buildings - or that their schools may need to be used as makeshift hospitals, quarantine sites or vaccination centers


- By The Associated Press

The State Dept of Health, in coordination with the governor of each state makes the decision to close schools. Missing school work will be the least of the issues if/when there is an avian flu epidemic. Schools have been closed in the past for communities that have been hit by the regular, annual flu so there is definately a precedent for that. However, when illness is restricted to a town, the superintendents have made that decision in the past. Actually, the "advent" of February school vacation was to give the kids a "germ break".
 
DawnCt1 said:
The State Dept of Health, in coordination with the governor of each state makes the decision to close schools. Missing school work will be the least of the issues if/when there is an avian flu epidemic. Schools have been closed in the past for communities that have been hit by the regular, annual flu so there is definately a precedent for that. However, when illness is restricted to a town, the superintendents have made that decision in the past. Actually, the "advent" of February school vacation was to give the kids a "germ break".

I know the schools in our town were considering closing for a couple days. If we had not had some snow days this month and have a day off next week already they probably would have closed on Friday. There are some classes at the kids' school where 12 of the 20 kids in the room are out sick. Usually the decision to close schools comes more from the teachers being sick and not being able to get subs, though.

Every district is going to have to have some policy in place for a major outbreak of anything just like they have to have a policy in place for bomb threats, a gunman coming into school, etc. It could happen, but the likelihood of it really happening is small.
 
"The risk of pandemic influenza is serious. With the H5N1 virus now firmly entrenched in large parts of Asia, the risk that more human cases will occur will persist. Each additional human case gives the virus an opportunity to improve its transmissibility in humans, and thus develop into a pandemic strain. The recent spread of the virus to poultry and wild birds in new areas further broadens opportunities for human cases to occur. While neither the timing nor the severity of the next pandemic can be predicted, the probability that a pandemic will occur has increased"
From:

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/avian_faqs/en/#areall



"Avian flu: ‘potential to ignite a severe pandemic’
Serious changes begin in December 2003
•Endemic in bird population
–Spread to 7 Asian countries within 30 days
–Ducks excreting H5N1 and migratory birds now harbour pathogenic form
•Increasing hosts
–Tigers, cats and leopards
•Increased fatalities
–Primary viral pneumonia targeting the young
–Transmission to humans increasing –150 people
•But almost 20 cases with ‘high probability’ of human to human transmission"

http://aon.x-serve.co.uk/seminar/060127/pdf/md.pdf


http://pandemicflu.gov/planguide/checklist.html
updated Jan 2006

The best way to stop the spread once started will be keeping people at home temporarily in local areas. So, some food, water, books and cards can't hurt and can only help.

As bad as it could possibly be in the US, it could only be worse in poorer countries with millions living in close quarters.


This really seems to be a looming concern. Even mentioned below in an article on Airline profits.

Airline group sees $7.2 billion sector profit in 2007
Wednesday March 22, 3:35 pm ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The International Air Transport Association said on Wednesday it expects the industry to post a larger profit in 2007 than it previously anticipated as demand grows and carriers benefit from leaner, more efficient operations.

The global airlines body raised its 2007 forecast for global industry profit -- the first in six years -- to $7.2 billion from $6.2 billion previously, Chief Executive Giovanni Bisignani said at an industry event in New York.

IATA cut its forecast of the global industry's losses in 2006 by half to $2.2 billion. U.S. carriers are expected to lose $5.4 billion in 2006, half the losses they posted in 2005. The projections assume crude oil to cost $52 a barrel in 2007 and $57 a barrel in 2006.

But Bisignani warned against being too optimistic, as the returns would still be small compared with the size of the industry, and adverse events -- such as a bird flu pandemic among humans and another surge in fuel prices -- could again throw airlines off track.

"There are some wild cards beyond our control -- avian flu and security among them," Bisignani said. "If we are looking for a common villain, it is fuel."
 
Is anyone doing things different to prepare jic?? I don't mean stocking up but taking vitamins, eating healthier, etc. I have an asthmatic DS15 and am concerned about building him up but reports are saying the healthy get hit hardest. He has a routine checkup next month and I will ask the dtr.
 
One of our neighboring towns had 68 kids out with flu related illness. This is a small town so it was a substantial percentage of children.

I read last night in our local paper that the CT school systems are to put into place a plan to ensure taht children can keep their studies up in the event they need to keep them home for a period of time.

I don't do anything different to stay healthy.
 
I"m not doing anything different except keeping a close watch on the news regarding this as well as buying extra food & saving money. I'm not going crazy buying food as I'm waiting to hear when it reaches the US and/or mutates to humans. Then I will be the first one at the stores buying everything I need as I will not leave my house!!
 
yoopermom said:
Count me in with the seriously watching it group. DGM, 96, lived through the 1918 flu, and said to me yesterday, "Why don't people stay home when they're sick?" (I REALLY think people had more common sense back then!)

What's the worst that could happen? You could lose your job? What is that compared to your health and that of your family's? (Exception made for health care workers, of course.)

We live in a harsh climate, so have a generator, a few months of food, etc. I worry more about the psychological/social aspects rather than the physical. My family lives 250 miles away, in a big city, and has no intention of being prepared for any type of emergency.

Terri
There are a couple of reasons I can think of that people don't stay home when they are sick. 1 is money reasons most of the places of employment don't give you sick pay and their pay is so low that they absolutely must work everyday in order to make ends meet. 2. Alot of employers nowadays will simply fire you if you call in sick.
 
golfgal said:
I will consider stocking up on extra supplies as soon as this flu starts making the human to human jump. It could be 20 years before this happens, what are you going to do with all that extra stuff between now and then???? I can see people in hurricane/earthquake country needing a large stockpile of goods but usually with tornado damage, a week or two is usually sufficient.

That is my thought too. I am not going crazy with building up a huge stockpile right now because it isn't anywhere close to becoming a serious threat yet...it could take years and years before it gets to that point. IF it spreads and starts to become a problem for humans I will take precautions then. Buying and freezing meats now...in 6 months to a year they will be no good to eat...things only have so much of a shelf life.
 
Nevergrow'nup said:
Is anyone doing things different to prepare jic?? I don't mean stocking up but taking vitamins, eating healthier, etc. I have an asthmatic DS15 and am concerned about building him up but reports are saying the healthy get hit hardest. He has a routine checkup next month and I will ask the dtr.


Most of the epidemiologists, specifically Osterholm at the University of Minnesota feels this type of flu will be most dangerous to healthy adults because it will kick their immune system into overdrive. Those with a compromised immune system will fare the best since their weakened immune system will function better then it does currently.
 
One of the reasons that this particular strain hasn't spread human to human is that the virus has difficulty attaching to the nasal mucosa but it seems to really like lung tissue. So far, those who have gotton it have lived in very close proximity with the infected birds, or have gotton a good viral load when they have killed or cleaned them. Of course, viruses mutate easily so it is certainly within the realm of possibilities that this virus could solve that problem for itself.
 
Nancy said:
That is my thought too. I am not going crazy with building up a huge stockpile right now because it isn't anywhere close to becoming a serious threat yet...it could take years and years before it gets to that point. IF it spreads and starts to become a problem for humans I will take precautions then. Buying and freezing meats now...in 6 months to a year they will be no good to eat...things only have so much of a shelf life.

I understand that there are purchases that have relatively short shelf lives.

My Mom was a depression child, and then there was WWII. As a result of teh deprivation, she always kept a fully stocked pantry, and I tend to do the same. I like to keep plenty of canned goods that have a long shelf life because I buy on sale, and hate running out of things. When storm season comes, I stock up on supplies that require no cooking. I use them up so I have not lost anything, in fact I tend to rely on this store of goods when I want to trim my weekly shopping back a bit. When the flu hits the US, I will follow the same pattern, but I cannot see myself with a years worth of goods, mostly because I am not really good at that rotating thing.

I know that I am a bit obsessive, my family has always thought that I am nuts, but :confused3
 












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