Attention animal rights activists!

Again , from the Canada web site FAQ:

"6. What types of weapons are used to kill seals?

Sealers use a variety of tools to hunt seals. Ninety per cent of sealers on the ice floes on the Front (in the waters east of Newfoundland), where the majority of the hunt occurs, use firearms. Sealers in the Magdelen Islands (Gulf of St. Lawrence) and on Quebec's Lower North Shore traditionally use clubs or hakapiks. A hakapik is an efficient tool designed to kill the animal quickly and humanely. Marine Mammal Regulations state that sealers must strike the seal on the skull until it's crushed, and administer a blinking eye reflex test or manually check the skull.
7. How has the Canadian government proven its commitment to the humane treatment of seals?

The Marine Mammal Regulations stipulate that persons can only dispatch marine mammals in a manner designed to do so quickly. Under these regulations, seals may be killed only by the use of high-powered rifles, shotguns firing slugs, clubs and hakapiks.

Licensing policy requires a commercial sealer to work under an experienced sealer for two years to obtain a professional licence. Sealers are also encouraged to take a training course on proper hunting techniques, product preparation and handling. Personal use sealers must have a hunter's capability certificate or big game licence and attend mandatory training sessions before a licence can be issued.

In April 2003, the Marine Mammal Regulations were amended to establish the practice of administrating the blinking eye reflex test for a clearer determination of death. Sealers must also land the entire carcass or pelt to ensure the fullest possible commercial use of the animal and to prevent seals from being harvested strictly for their organs.
8. How old must harp and hooded seals be before hunters can take them?

Harp seals can be legally hunted once they have moulted their white coat, which occurs at about 12-14 days of age. However, they are not usually hunted until they reach the "beater" stage of development at around 25 days old. Blueback (hooded) seals moult their coat as early as 15 to 16 months of age, at which time they can be hunted. The seals hunted are self-reliant, independent animals.
9. Why do hunters target young animals?

Young harp seals between approximately 3-4 weeks and one year of age are called beaters - so named because they tend to slap the water when they swim. Beater seals provide the most valuable pelts and market conditions are stronger for this type of pelt.

14. Are the hunting methods supported by veterinarians or non-governmental organizations?

The Government of Canada (GOC) has strict regulations to ensure a humane hunt. Canada's Royal Commission on Seals & Sealing has found that the methods currently used in hunting seals compare favourably to those used to kill any other wild or domestic animal.

In addition, an independent veterinarians report published in the Canadian Veterinary Journal also found that the large majority of seals taken during the seal hunt (98%) are killed in an acceptably humane manner (see their September 2002 report - Animal Welfare and the Harp Seal Hunt in Atlantic Canada - http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?
tool=pmcentrez&artid=339547) Any violations of Canada's regulations are taken very seriously - over 200 charges have been laid by the GOC against sealers since 1996.
15. What is DFO doing to monitor the hunt?

The seal hunt is closely monitored and tightly regulated to ensure the animals are killed in a quick and humane manner. Fishery Officers monitor sealing activity on the ice, ensure humane harvesting practices, and enforce regulations and licence conditions.

Fishery Officers conduct surveillance of the seal hunt by means of aerial patrols, at-sea patrols, dockside inspections of vessels at landing sites and inspections at buying/processing facilities. Independent observers are also deployed on sealing vessels to monitor compliance with regulations.

DFO works with veterinarians, experienced sealers and industry representatives to ensure the animals are dispatched and processed in the most humane way possible.


Link: http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/faq_e.htm
 
DL, wow! Thanks for the link! UGH, Denmark is on the list! I'm ashamed! Well, I know who to write letters to now then!!! :guilty:
 
toto, you are thinking too highly of the information you provided. It still sounds horrible. I am against hunting of all kinds (unless its for food to feed a family). I don't care what they use or how they do it.
 

Miss Jasmine said:
toto, you are thinking too highly of the information you provided. It still sounds horrible. I am against hunting of all kinds (unless its for food to feed a family). I don't care what they use or how they do it.

I totally agree! Who cares if it's a baby seal or an adult seal being slaughtered? What difference does it make if it's a club to the head or a bullet through the head? Either way, the end result is the same; inhumane and unnecessary slaughtering of innocent life!
 
toto2 said:
As any interest on the subject sudenly dissapeared ?

You posted a lot of information! I don't know about the other people participating on this thread, but frankly, it does take me a little time to read that much material! I do appreciate your input on the thread, but I still feel the hunts should be outlawed!
 
Dakota_Lynn said:
To those of you who worry about the rights of animals, we need your help!


Scientists agree that the size of this hunt puts the harp seal population at risk of extinction!



I am not saying that I agree with this hunt but if you are going to protest it at least have the right reason.

This is not putting the seal population at risk, in fact it has tripled in size over the last 20 to 30 years. Tha vast majority of the seals are not clubbed they are shot. And they do not hunt the seals with the white coats, this has been banned. In fact when the McCartneys did their little photo shoot with the baby seal, they were breaking the law.
 
Dakota_Lynn said:
You posted a lot of information! I don't know about the other people participating on this thread, but frankly, it does take me a little time to read that much material! I do appreciate your input on the thread, but I still feel the hunts should be outlawed!


You do know about how the cows , chicken and pigs you are eating are treated I hope. And you do know how they are slauthered...

Are you doing anything about the corridas in Spain , mexico and portugal ? The death of those animals is far from being fast and painless. Are your shoes made of leather ?
 
toto2 said:
You do know about how the cows , chicken and pigs you are eating are treated I hope. And you do know how they are slauthered...

Are you doing anything about the corridas in Spain , mexico and portugal ? The death of those animals is far from being fast and painless. Are your shoes made of leather ?

Yup, all of these issues are of great concern to me! I've been aware of all this for many years, but I'm sure there are many others who are not. Thanks for bringing attention to it!
 
declansdad said:
This is not putting the seal population at risk, in fact it has tripled in size over the last 20 to 30 years.


Not to forget that this as cause , with overfishing, the near disparition of the cod population in the St-Laurent Gulf !
 
toto2 said:
You do know about how the cows , chicken and pigs you are eating are treated I hope. And you do know how they are slauthered...

Are you doing anything about the corridas in Spain , mexico and portugal ? The death of those animals is far from being fast and painless. Are your shoes made of leather ?

toto, I am very well aware of that too yes. As a matter of fact I have a website dedicated only to the fight against worldwide animal cruelty such as the ones you mentioned here yourself. Unfortunately I can't post the url since I just signed up at the DIS board today
 
I can only agree with Mrs Jasmine and DL, No matter how it is done it is still cruel and absolutely inhumane in every way. I don’t like it or support it one bit! And one thing is what the law says another thing is what is really going on out there on the ice. I personally tend to believe what the reporters and the journalists report from the hunt and I believe the video footages and pictures I see from there too – both on the internet and on tv. Due to a loophole in the law the sealers can take pups at the age of 12 days old this year.

” So many of the pups I saw killed were still almost completely covered in white fur, legally hunted because of a loophole in Canadian law that allows baby seals to be killed the moment they begin to shed their fluffy white coats. This often starts at 12 days.” - Rebecca Aldworth – protester and reporting from the hunt 2006.

Again I can’t post the url due to the fact that I just signed up here today. But it is taken from her diary from the hunt which is posted on the Humane Society's website. Personally I believe the people who are out there to see all this for themselves.
 
Dakota_Lynn said:
I totally agree! Who cares if it's a baby seal or an adult seal being slaughtered? What difference does it make if it's a club to the head or a bullet through the head? Either way, the end result is the same; inhumane and unnecessary slaughtering of innocent life!

Dakota,
How do you rationalize this statement with some of the pro abortion statements you have made on the board?
 
shrubber said:
Dakota,
How do you rationalize this statement with some of the pro abortion statements you have made on the board?[/QUOT

I am sure Dakota made some pro-choice satatements and not pro-abortion statement. :) There is a difference ! I can see how you can be be against cruellty to animals ( I am) and pro-choice at the same time. I think is is nore problematic when you are anti-abortion ( or pro-life) but pro death penality , or support wars that kill many borned childreen as collateral dammage.
 
"I can see how you can be be against cruellty to animals ( I am) and pro-choice at the same time. "

Really? I can't.
Could you expand on this somewhat please?
In the manner at hand some here have posted that this seal hunt is an afront to innocent life,cruel etc. and should be banned. How is this seal hunt any more or even comparable to the 'innocent life' of a human child?

I don't mean to hijack the thread (Moderator, please remove my post if this is the case) but I still cannot resolve these two issues.
 
Most pro-choice people ( me included) belive that a fertilized egg in a women womb , in the first few months of fertilization , is only an amalgam of cell that will , in the future be a human being . So early abortion is stopping the devloppement of cells. Anti-abortion people usually believe that from the moment the spermatozoïd fertilized the egg, a human being is produced. And there would be the reason you could be pro-choice and anti animal cruelty.


Dakota , I hope I am not putting words in your mouth. This is how I personnaly rationalize my views.
 
So your position is
Pro choice- ok to choose to kill a future human
Anti choice - not ok to kill a seal....

really, I'm not trying to argue with you. I just cannot follow the logic.
 
pro-choice = doesn't believe the fetus is a human life
anti-seal clubbing = against the inhumane death of an alive being

the difference is one instance we have a live creature. the other is a future live creature but not live yet.
 
Do you mean to say that a fetus is not alive?
I won't hijack the thread to a complet;y different direction, one might argue about when life becomes human ect. but you really cannot say that a fetus is not alive.
 

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