Attack of the Lakeshore Lodge

[Cfabar1]

Maybe, higher point chart will also mean lowers dues. Which, if they roll the cabins with Lakeshore, will probably be a priority. I do think it’ll come in under Poly/VGF.

It better...

 

[Kailunkat]

I agree that it will come under poly/vgf. The theme isn't screaming luxury to me and its farther from MK. I wonder if the lazy river and more elaborate pool area would make the dues higher

I think that the fact that there is a strong theme (Woodland creatures throughout Disney IP) will only add to it's appeal not detract. There are a lot of luxury hotels in the world with a nature theme - I don't think that they will do it "log cabin" style since they have already gone that route - this will be a lot more "enchanted forest glade" which could read very spa-like if they incorporate the use of light that they had in the plans for reflections.

The pool complex will definitely have an effect on dues - but the good news is that will also be offset by the number of hotel rooms. I am hoping that they also end up keeping the large food court area they had planned in the basement along with multiple restaurants upstairs to help compensate for those who will come over from WL and CFW to dine there. But it seems like this SHOULD be a higher end/deluxe resort based on other Disney offerings - but it will all depend on the individual room finishes and the amenities ultimately.

 

[Girlstar30]

I think that the fact that there is a strong theme (Woodland creatures throughout Disney IP) will only add to it's appeal not detract. There are a lot of luxury hotels in the world with a nature theme - I don't think that they will do it "log cabin" style since they have already gone that route - this will be a lot more "enchanted forest glade" which could read very spa-like if they incorporate the use of light that they had in the plans for reflections.

The pool complex will definitely have an effect on dues - but the good news is that will also be offset by the number of hotel rooms. I am hoping that they also end up keeping the large food court area they had planned in the basement along with multiple restaurants upstairs to help compensate for those who will come over from WL and CFW to dine there. But it seems like this SHOULD be a higher end/deluxe resort based on other Disney offerings - but it will all depend on the individual room finishes and the amenities ultimately.

They've done a woodland theme many times. It doesnt seem all that unique to me. Def wont do it log cabin style and more upscale than that.

It will be more upscale, but i dont think on the same upscale feel as vgf and Riv. I will be really surprised if they put a spa. The restaurant was supposed to be Princess and the Frog, which again is nothing new as far as themeing.

 

[erionm]

The cabins at Fort Wilderness have 63 declared into DVC and the rest of the 302 cabins are hotel. Do they plan to declare all of them as DVC or if not how many will be DVC?

They declare them to make points available to sell. Since sales are pretty slow, declarations will likely be few and far between.

 

[LavaMama]

the far flung deluxe properties (cash) tend to be the hardest to fill, and tend to have some of the best prices... I'm curious to see how that interacts with the DVC points chart decisions... and if more of Wilderness Lodge gets moved into DVC and/or gets downgraded to a Moderate officially or unofficially...

What is the basis for more of WL getting moved into DVC or being downgraded to a Moderate?

 

[Sandisw]

Wilderness Lodge... I could see it becoming a hybrid Moderate+ or Deluxe- or they convert more rooms to DVC... If I remember correctly, Lakeshore Lodge is occupying a site that was originally reserved for a Moderate resort...

That site was Rivier Countey which was a water park type place attached to Ft Wilderness.

So, that site was never the location of a moderate resort and I don’t think there were ever plans to make it a hotel site until Reflections.

 

[proudmomof4]

That site was Rivier Countey which was a water park type place attached to Ft Wilderness.

So, that site was never the location of a moderate resort and I don’t think there were ever plans to make it a hotel site until Reflections.

In the 1990’s there was a plan to build a western town style resort between FW and WL. It was going to be called Buffalo Junction or Fort Wilderness Junction.

The DVC side of LSL is on the site of the old River Country Water Park. The hotel side of LSL has been built on top of what was Mickey’s Backyard BBQ, as well as what was part of the Fort Wilderness petting zoo located behind Pioneer Hall and Clementine’s Beach. The parking lot and future bus depot are where the old Tri-Circle D horse barn was.

 

[Brian Noble]

a western town style resort between FW and WL.

Was the idea similar to Cheyenne at DLPR?

https://www.disneylandparis.com/en-usd/hotels/disneys-hotel-cheyenne

 

[proudmomof4]

Was the idea similar to Cheyenne at DLPR?

https://www.disneylandparis.com/en-usd/hotels/disneys-hotel-cheyenne

It looks very similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Wilderness_Junction

 

[BrianLo]

I think the points chart will be better than what people think

I think we’ll see boulder/copper creek value… but the issue is going to be view categories. Standard probably hits that benchmark but quickly resort view and firework view rooms will exceed it.

I hope it doesn’t contain the ridiculous view premiums that Poly does (which escalates views by 35/70% points respectively) and does more traditional 20/40% premiums. VDH only really escalates around 10% for its “view”.

 

[Sandisw]

In the 1990’s there was a plan to build a western town style resort between FW and WL. It was going to be called Buffalo Junction or Fort Wilderness Junction.

The DVC side of LSL is on the site of the old River Country Water Park. The hotel side of LSL has been built on top of what was Mickey’s Backyard BBQ, as well as what was part of the Fort Wilderness petting zoo located behind Pioneer Hall and Clementine’s Beach. The parking lot and future bus depot are where the old Tri-Circle D horse barn was.

Thanks! I don’t remember that at all.

 

[Girlstar30]

I think we’ll see boulder/copper creek value… but the issue is going to be view categories. Standard probably hits that benchmark but quickly resort view and firework view rooms will exceed it.

I hope it doesn’t contain the ridiculous view premiums that Poly does (which escalates views by 35/70% points respectively) and does more traditional 20/40% premiums. VDH only really escalates around 10% for its “view”.

I just dont know how they would implement more points for views, I mean are there really great views there? Is it a good place to view the fireworks? Genuinely asking because I dont know and I would imagine that BLT or PIT would be much better.

They're going to do the most for the A frames and I guess this new premium room, but I wont pay extra for a ft wilderness or lazy river view Im pretty sure I wont be staying at the A frames. I like my trips long and A frame would kill that.

If the premium room is 2 bedroom price ill stay in september or january. Im not paying more than a 2 bedroom for a glorified one bedroom (I say this now )

PIT gets away with this ridiculous view point chart because of the location with the fireworks over the water is beautiful

 

[airjay75]

At a minimum, I think LSL will have preferred view rooms with views of Bay Lake vs. resort view rooms with views of no water - similar to RIV where any view of water gets classified as preferred. As long as the rooms are as large as RIV/Poly/VGF rooms, I think the points charts will be somewhere between RIV and Poly/VGF rooms. I think the days of BRV/CCV/BCV/BWV points charts are long gone.

 

[VGCgroupie]

At a minimum, I think LSL will have preferred view rooms with views of Bay Lake vs. resort view rooms with views of no water - similar to RIV where any view of water gets classified as preferred. As long as the rooms are as large as RIV/Poly/VGF rooms, I think the points charts will be somewhere between RIV and Poly/VGF rooms. I think the days of BRV/CCV/BCV/BWV points charts are long gone.

I actually think RIV charts aren't too horrible. I know we will never get the 2042 charts again. Poly Tower charts though

 

[VGCgroupie]

I actually think RIV charts aren't too horrible. I know we will never get the 2042 charts again. Poly Tower charts though

I will add VDH charts are okay for me also. Poly Tower
Edit: Is should double check my statement, it could be that I am usually 2 or 3 nights only at VDH and at WDW minimum 4 so that could be why..

 

[Girlstar30]

I wonder if this resort will actually drive more people to ccv/brv

 

[VGCgroupie]

I wonder if this resort will actually drive more people to ccv/brv

Very possible. Especially if they have good dining, you can stay at CCV/BRV on your resale points and head over there to experience the cool dining options. I guess this is an example why ending pool hopping could be a good thing.

 

[Girlstar30]

I will add VDH charts are okay for me also. Poly Tower
Edit: Is should double check my statement, it could be that I am usually 2 or 3 nights only at VDH and at WDW minimum 4 so that could be why..

But those PIT rooms are so magical ugh its my favorite room so far (I havent stayed at akv or blt 1 bedroom yet so we shall see if that remains to be true)

 

[VGCgroupie]

But those PIT rooms are so magical ugh its my favorite room so far (I havent stayed at akv or blt 1 bedroom yet so we shall see if that remains to be true)

Im sure one day I will have the spare points to justify staying. But I cant commit myself to it possibly being my only option (home resort) since it's so point heavy. Again I would stay home before I stayed OKW/SSR so those are non options for me even if available.

 

[Girlstar30]

Very possible. Especially if they have good dining, you can stay at CCV/BRV on your resale points and head over there to experience the cool dining options. I guess this is an example why ending pool hopping could be a good thing.

Resale owner eating lunch, wearing my pool clothes and running thru that gate after someone leaves jk jk