At Last! All Illegal Immigrants to be expelled.

[momof2inPA]

Personally, I would be out of a job if there were no illegal immigrants coming in. Our school population would be drastically cut.

I know, you could go to your current students' country of origin to teach. If the country doesn't welcome you with open arms, just sneak in.

 

[mickeyfan2]

I know, you could go to your current students' country of origin to teach. If the country doesn't welcome you with open arms, just sneak in.

 

[cardaway]

I would expect the Catholic Church to embrace immigrants, both legal and illegal, as it stands to benefit financially from their presence in the U.S., but that doesn't make their stance the correct one.

Yeah, that one is pretty simple. They don't pay taxes but they still better give to the church.

 

[amc]

All about the money and that they are draining your economy, they are not all criminals here to steal and mug and kill people, there is enough of that going on with all you legal people every day in every city in this country.
If it's economy you're all worried about and it being drained, look no further than your wonderful president spending millions in Iraq every day not to mention all of those who have lost their lives.

 

[momof2inPA]

All about the money and that they are draining your economy, they are not all criminals ..

Yes, they are ALL criminals. They are here illegally.

 

[mickeyfan2]

All about the money and that they are draining your economy, they are not all criminals here to steal and mug and kill people, there is enough of that going on with all you legal people every day in every city in this country.
If it's economy you're all worried about and it being drained, look no further than your wonderful president spending millions in Iraq every day not to mention all of those who have lost their lives.

No it is not all about the money. It is all about the law. They did not enter this country legally, thus they broke the law. Not all criminals are mugging us. There are all types of crimes and entering this country illegally is one of them.

Iraq has nothing to do with this. This was a problem before Iraq.

 

[nwdisgal]

but we live in a state that is reliant on non u.s. citizen labor...so i don't see much changing anytime soon.

Yes exactly. It is Economics 101 - Supply and Demand. As long as there is demand for workers at a certain wage level, and a shortage of labor supply at that wage level, there will be illegal immigrants to fill in the gap. They wouldn't be coming here if there wasn't work available.

My response is to the posters who don't like illegal immigration. If you don't like it, then as a consumer, don't consume the products that support this wage source. How many of you are willing to give up your domestic food supply, or better yet, pay more at your cash register- i.e $5 more per bottle for your wine, or $1.00 a pound more for apples, so that you can employ someone legal? If you are willing to shell over at the cash register for higher cost labor, then preach on.

 

[paigevz]

I know, you could go to your current students' country of origin to teach. If the country doesn't welcome you with open arms, just sneak in.

There you go!

To answer everyone who quoted me:

Okay, okay, I was being facetious about that, guys. I am one of the good ones, if I do say so myself, and I've been around a little while, so it'd be newer ones to go.

I was kidding about kidding about the moral test, I actually thought everyone would see that.

Not sure what "pulling on the heart strings" means in this context. If you mean I was trying to pull on yours, no, I don't think you care if I met my dh or not, you don't know me or him. If you mean the issue pulls on MY heart strings, absolutely!

I also agree that something should be done. I am just not sure that "send them all back" is the only (or even the best) solution. Do I have it in my pocket? No. I don't try to pretend I know the solution to the problem........I do know that I personally couldn't be the one to tell them they had to go, I wouldn't celebrate if they did, and it would be a sad time for me. That's my opinion. I don't expect, nor will I try to convince, others to necessarily hold the same opinion. I do think it would be nice if everyone thought like me (kidding again, please don't go off on it).........................................

 

[momof2inPA]

Yes exactly. It is Economics 101 - Supply and Demand. As long as there is demand for workers at a certain wage level, and a shortage of labor supply at that wage level, there will be illegal immigrants to fill in the gap. They wouldn't be coming here if there wasn't work available.

According to your PhD in Economics, what will happen if the supply of labor contracts and the demand is constant? Oh yeah, the price for that commodity, labor in this case, will increase. When the illegals are sent back, the labor that remains (U.S. citizens) will be paid more for the same jobs. Many of us have already said that we are willing to absorb that added cost.

 

[sodaseller]

sodaseller,

What your Jesuit letter fails to address is the difference between the legal immigration of the late 1800's and early 1900's vs the illegal immigration of today. There were quotas then, yet, there are no limits on illegal immigration, now. It goes unchecked. I would expect the Catholic Church to embrace immigrants, both legal and illegal, as it stands to benefit financially from their presence in the U.S., but that doesn't make their stance the correct one. It's self-serving and not in the best interest of the U.S. citizenship and our economic system.

However, on a personal one-on-one basis, I will embrace my neighbor, whether here legally or illegally, but I do not embrace the practice of illegal immigration.

How does the Church economically benefit from their presence?

And I'm not as sold regarding the big difference from a century ago and today. The same fears were raised then. There are vestiges of it today in Tampa. My late father told us often that he realized his life was in danger if he were caught outside Ybor City after dark. My people still avoid many establishments that would not serve Latins in days hence

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Don't forget the amount of money that has to wasted on dealing with the whole illegal system in the first place.

Sometimes I wonder if it would be more economical to protect the borders rather than deal with the aftermath.

There is so much talk about "protecting" the borders but precious little too show for it. Our borders are like sieves and the best politicians offer is more "talk" about dealing with the problem decades after it evolved into a major crisis. One would think that protection would be the first order of business, but I think it's too late to do that. All that's left is dealing with the mess we've allowed to occur.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

When you are stealing money from the wallets of the U.S. populace and food from the mouths of the working poor of the U.S., who can often not afford to own their own homes, that is immoral. Undermining the economic system of the United States of America is immoral. They should work and fight to improve conditions in their own country. Basically, your hunger is not our problem, and if you can't afford to feed your kids, don't have them.

Well said!

 

[Tigger_Magic]

All about the money and that they are draining your economy, they are not all criminals here to steal and mug and kill people, there is enough of that going on with all you legal people every day in every city in this country.
If it's economy you're all worried about and it being drained, look no further than your wonderful president spending millions in Iraq every day not to mention all of those who have lost their lives.

Got agenda?

 

[DawnCt1]

They should be treated (except their children BORN *IN* the US) like any other criminal and process accordingly.

And I think that the issue of "anchor children" needs to be revisited as well.

 

[DawnCt1]

sodaseller,

What your Jesuit letter fails to address is the difference between the legal immigration of the late 1800's and early 1900's vs the illegal immigration of today. .

An additional difference was that during the 1800 and early 1900s we needed people to populate our vast country. That is no longer a need that we have.

 

[DawnCt1]

All about the money and that they are draining your economy, they are not all criminals here to steal and mug and kill people, there is enough of that going on with all you legal people every day in every city in this country.

The crime rate, motor vehicle accident rate (all uninsured drivers) exceeds that of our own citizens.

 

[Crankyshank]

How does the Church economically benefit from their presence?

And I'm not as sold regarding the big difference from a century ago and today. The same fears were raised then. There are vestiges of it today in Tampa. My late father told us often that he realized his life was in danger if he were caught outside Ybor City after dark. My people still avoid many establishments that would not serve Latins in days hence

The difference is population, not fear. Similar variations of the same fear have been around before America even existed. A century ago there was a lot more room for the immigrants. Not so today. Not to mention the immigration procedure was much different then because we needed people to populate our country.

and for the people advocating that we should turn a blind eye since they are just trying to feed their kids, tell me why we should have more of a concern for those illegally entering the country to feed their kids than our own citizens with hungry children? Or seniors who have to choose between heat and food this winter? We'd be much better able to help those people if our tax dollars weren't strained dealing with the illegal immigrants

 

[dennis99ss]

Momof2inPA, mean spirited aren't you.

I think you should live in a community that deals with immigration, illegal and legal, to a greater extent than anywhere in the east, and you may change your mind.

I find it interesting that Walmart buys nearly everything from China, and from sweatshops, a potential military enemy, etc. but, people still buy from them. You state here that you will absorb the cost, Bu!!sh**. You will not absorb the cost, as is evidenced by noboady caring about trade deficits, sweat shops, made in china, etc. Everyone goes for the cheapest costs. To say you don't is a lie.

I also find it interesting that those people on the board who seem to live in areas on the "front line" seem more likely to be understanding of the benefits of this immigration, and certainly more understanding of it, as opposed to those who live some distance away.

 

[momof2inPA]

How does the Church economically benefit from their presence?

The Mexican illegal immigrants are primarily Catholic. The people who will work the jobs when the illegals are sent back are not primarily Catholic. Our Church makes money now in the collection plate, and will make money off the future generations of the illegals who will live in the U.S., a more prosperous country than Mexico.

 

[cardaway]

You will not absorb the cost, as is evidenced by noboady caring about trade deficits, sweat shops, made in china, etc. Everyone goes for the cheapest costs. To say you don't is a lie.

We will because when it looking at the big picture, the cost will not go up that much. So many things will actually get relief, the result will be some balancing out. Schools for example, especially in the south, will get to practice as should have been from the beginning. An equal number of kids when weighed against the number of people in the district paying taxes.