At Last! All Illegal Immigrants to be expelled.

[tone.def]

I wonder....do other countries make parents citizens if babies are born there? If I go to, say, Japan and have a baby, am I automatically a Japanese citizen? How does that work in other nations?

Chances are good if it happened in Canada, you could stay on compassionate reasons until your crooked. Meanwhile, many true Canadians have problems finding work... I wish our gov't would follow this one lead of the Bush gov't...

 

[dirtysouthinit]

ILLEGAL immigration is breaking the law. Doesn't matter if they wanna work here, have been here for years. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND SHOULD BE DEPORTED.

ONCE MORE THEY DON'T CALL THEM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT. I DON'T GET WHY SOME PEOPLE CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

Enough yelling now.

 

[WDWMom]

I say throw them all out and let them come back legally. I have no problems with anyone who wants to be a "citizen." Immigrate, learn our language, study for the naturalization test and become a tax paying citizen. That is what my ancestors did. That's what my FIL's family did. You want to work here. Become a tax paying citizen. I am tired of hearing about being politically correct and not making people learn the language and giving up their culture. If I moved to another country that is what I would do because I would want to be part of that country. JMO

ETA: Where would we find the workers to do these jobs?? We of people needed, they just don't want to work because they can get government assisstants.

Just a thought, for all the immates we have in prisons, why not put some of them to work in the sewer systems. Let them work off their free room and board

 

[mickeyfan2]

I wonder....do other countries make parents citizens if babies are born there? If I go to, say, Japan and have a baby, am I automatically a Japanese citizen? How does that work in other nations?

No. In most countries you need to have a citizen as a parent to become a citizen. There is not birthright clause The US is one of the few countries that gives citizenship by birth. I have no problem with that policy, but the parents have to be here LEGALLY. If your parent is here ILLEGALLY and you are born here, you should be denied citizenship and both be sent home.

 

[WDWMom]

No. In most countries you need to have a citizen as a parent to become a citizen. There is not birthright clause The US is one of the few countries that gives citizenship by birth. I have no problem with that policy, but the parents have to be here LEGALLY. If your parent is here ILLEGALLY and you are born here, you should be denied citizenship and both be sent home.

I totally agree

 

[amc]

I'm so shocked with all these comments. I myself am an immigrant(here 18 1/2 yrs), most people who come here just want to work to support their family, they leave them in South America and work 2 or 3 jobs so that their children can EAT, what is so wrong with that, they usually do the work that you so important Americans would not get out of bed to do and get a chip on your shoulder because you are so hard done by. Get a grip on reality people!!.
Where would you all be now if your family no matter how far back were refused??.
Get on with your own lives and stop looking for someone to blame with the direction this country is going in . It's Bushs' fault and if you voted for him yours too. No wonder the U.S. is the laughing stock of the rest of the world. You all should do a little Global travel, maybe then you would understand how edited our news media is.

 

[barkley]

It's interesting that you ask this. I was just discussing this with my brother, who's lived in Japan for 8 years. They have a super-stringent immigration policy and have significant difficulty filling "menial" jobs. There was a six-week lag in garbage collection in my brother's town because they had no garbage collectors-no one wanted the job!

I think if you marry a Japanese citizen, you still have to jump through a few hoops to be a citizen. You can do it, but it's not necessarily automatic.

some countires actualy recognize dual citizenship until the age of majority. dh's friend in highschool knew he had been born out of the u.s. while parent's were traveling but did'nt think much of it. when he goes to join the u.s. military they look over the paperwork, do a bit of research and find out he still has citizenship status in another country (u.s. does'nt recognize the duality but the other country does). he has to formaly denounce his foreign citizenship (ton's of paperwork) and the military puts him on notice that he better not travel to that country until their paperwork is accepted and back in hand cuz he's currently in a "wanted status" there for failing to report for their mandatory military service program

legal immigrants can be draining on public services as well. we live in an area wherein several local churches originating in other countries entered into the practice of securing "sponsors" for entire families. all the paperwork that sponsors completed saying they would meet the financial needs, provide housing and food...was bogus from the start. the sponsors were told not to meet the families at the airports but to provide a letter stating their financial circumstances had changed and they could no longer meet the commitment. the families that flew in were well aware of this and knew that their first stop would be at DSS to apply for refugee assistance.

 

[Charade]

I'm so shocked with all these comments. I myself am an immigrant(here 18 1/2 yrs), most people who come here just want to work to support their family, they leave them in South America and work 2 or 3 jobs so that their children can EAT, what is so wrong with that, they usually do the work that you so important Americans would not get out of bed to do and get a chip on your shoulder because you are so hard done by. Get a grip on reality people!!.
Where would you all be now if your family no matter how far back were refused??.
Get on with your own lives and stop looking for someone to blame with the direction this country is going in . It's Bushs' fault and if you voted for him yours too. No wonder the U.S. is the laughing stock of the rest of the world. You all should do a little Global travel, maybe then you would understand how edited our news media is.

You should be shocked...

Are you now a citizen? You certainly must be after 18 years.

The point is NOT that no one is willing to do menial work, it's that there are people WILLING to take those jobs AND business WILLING to EXPLOIT those people and that it's most likely much BETTER than where they came from. I don't begrudge people for wanting to improve their lives but I don't condone breaking US law just because some people live in poorly run countries.

I agree that there could be a problem getting certain jobs filled if all of a sudden illegal aliens were deported but it would force a lot of businesses to pay higher wages and citizens to pay more for some goods and services. That's a price I'm willing to pay to make sure our laws are followed.

 

[Crankyshank]

I'm so shocked with all these comments. I myself am an immigrant(here 18 1/2 yrs), most people who come here just want to work to support their family, they leave them in South America and work 2 or 3 jobs so that their children can EAT, what is so wrong with that, they usually do the work that you so important Americans would not get out of bed to do and get a chip on your shoulder because you are so hard done by. Get a grip on reality people!!.
Where would you all be now if your family no matter how far back were refused??.
Get on with your own lives and stop looking for someone to blame with the direction this country is going in . It's Bushs' fault and if you voted for him yours too. No wonder the U.S. is the laughing stock of the rest of the world. You all should do a little Global travel, maybe then you would understand how edited our news media is.

Thank you for your concern, but I do travel internationally and read international news sources. I have a firm grip on reality and I don't think anyone has blamed the mess the US is in on illegal immigrants.

Again you can't compare immigration to the US a century ago with current US immigration. We do have limited resources and a heck of a larger population nowadays. Where would I be right now if my family didn't emigrate to the US? Most likely doing just fine in Canada with the most recent generation of both sides of my family.
As mentioned many times in this thread, there would certainly be people that would pick up the slack left by the deported ILLEGAL aliens (people seem to keep glossing over the illegal part). God forbid people would have to provide benefits and a reasonable wage for those jobs!

 

[mickeyfan2]

Where would you all be now if your family no matter how far back were refused??.

Back in the fatherland. Many people were refused and put back on the next ship heading home.

No wonder the U.S. is the laughing stock of the rest of the world. You all should do a little Global travel, maybe then you would understand how edited our news media is.

Then why are so many people trying to get here?


Did you get here legally or illegally? My family got here legally and have been Americans for generations.

 

[toto2]

exactly.

We are a country that denounces sweat shop conditions for pitiful wages in other countries. Why should it be accepted here --- just because they are "willing" to do it?

Hummmm. North Americans are spending millions of dollars at Walmart , where most of the stuff is being made abroad for a pitance. North-Americans are not willing to pay more for stuff. Not-America is being Walmartized !

 

[bimshire]

Hummmm. North Americans are spending millions of dollars at Walmart , where most of the stuff is being made abroad for a pitance. North-Americans are not willing to pay more for stuff. Not-America is being Walmartized !

Americans want QUALITY for the least amount of money.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Hummmm. North Americans are spending millions of dollars at Walmart , where most of the stuff is being made abroad for a pitance. North-Americans are not willing to pay more for stuff. Not-America is being Walmartized !

It's called capitalism or a free market economy.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Hummmm. North Americans are spending millions of dollars at Walmart , where most of the stuff is being made abroad for a pitance. North-Americans are not willing to pay more for stuff. Not-America is being Walmartized !

Since you used North Americans in your statement, are you including Canada and Mexico too? I believe there are Walmarts in both Canada and Mexico as well as many other countries.

 

[toto2]

Americans want QUALITY for the least amount of money.

I was talking about Walmart , so you get the quality you pay for .


Secondly , I was speaking about North Americans , not Americans only, and I was refering about the comment that America was against sweet-shop conditions abroad and pitifull wages: we are spending and making millionnaire of people who do these things. So no , I dont things North-Americans , in general , are willing to pay more for stuff locally made that cost more to be made by local workers.


Lastly , Tigger-Magic , I am all for capitalism and free market , but not to take it to its ridiculous conclusion. Any economic systhem is doomed if there is no balance.

 

[toto2]

Since you used North Americans in your statement, are you including Canada and Mexico too? I believe there are Walmarts in both Canada and Mexico as well as many other countries.

Yes , mostly Canada. I am alway trying to be carefull when I talk about those subjects , because on some level our countries ( I am from Canada) have a lot in common. And I dont want my americans friend to think that I am making an anti-american comment, (for me, Walmart is a problem everywhere)

 

[cardaway]

Secondly , I was speaking about North Americans , not Americans only, and I was refering about the comment that America was against sweet-shop conditions abroad and pitifull wages: we are spending and making millionnaire of people who do these things. So no , I dont things North-Americans , in general , are willing to pay more for stuff locally made that cost more to be made by local workers.

That's not so easy to say. For one thing, there are many products where there simply isn't a made in America choice. What's a consumer to do? Secondly there are many cases where the quality is far better with products made outside the US vs. those made in America, with very little difference in cost. Once again, not a clear choice if you want to make a wise purchase.

 

[PixieDust32]

I have a question that I have been wondering about. Why do the Mexicans come here illegally? Is it that there are only so many allowed to immigrate legally per year? If so, since there are jobs available, why can't the number be raised? Is it because it takes so long to do the paperwork? Maybe that can be fixed...I know there are no easy answers. If it were easy it would've been solved already. I don't know how businesses hire people and pay them cash. As a business owner I have to document our income and how it is spent. I can't just withdraw hundreds of dollars in cash each week and not document what the expense is. Also, we own a plumbing company. The work is typically hot and dirty. We pay fair wages to our employees and a lot of money in unemployment tax and worker's comp insurance. We still, after 2 1/2 yrs don't have health insurance ourselves or offer it to our employees. Only because we can't afford it yet. But, I will tell you the truth. My husband has no desire to hire an American as a plumber's helper. We have gone through atleast 6 in two yrs. They don't want to work! Either they don't show up, need to be babysitted (if my husband's not on the job nothing gets done) or they are forever taking long cigarette breaks. Also, it seems that all the people that have applied for a job in the past either don't have a car or have lost their license from DUI's or some other reason! On the days they do show up, they always have a reason to go home early! It's frustrating. So, the plan is for our next employee to be a Mexican! Legally documented, of course. We don't mind paying all the expense of having a legal employee, we just want someone that wants to actually work! So, I ask, why is it so difficult to document somebody who wants to work difficult jobs, pay taxes, drive with a legal licence and purchase auto insurance, rent or own a house that will help to subsidize the increase in school costs for education? As long as they aren't breaking any laws, other that being here illegally, why isn't the system set up to accommodate them? That's what I want to know.

My DH told me that the same thing happend at his job, most of the americans, have all kind of issues, they complain all the time about not getting enough hours, then when they need to work over time, they don't want to do it, bcs of the kids, or the car, whatever. And the immigrants ( Oriental, European, Mexican) are always there, some of them walk to work, or get there in a cab, but they are always there, no cigarett breaks, no complaining. Of course on his company they must be legal to work there.

 

[Belle for President]

I think the policy of children who were born here of illegal immigrant parents who crossed the boarder in order to have a child who was a citizen, clearly needs to be revisited. It is a ridiculous policy that no longer makes sense.

Yeah! What supreme logic! Who cares about kids anyway! Why treat them like human beings when they are part of the problem! Education's over-rated anyway.

 

[PixieDust32]

It's called capitalism or a free market economy.

We love Walmart!
I pay less for good quality product.