Ashley Madison an auspicous day

[cabanafrau]

Got to love it. Florida State Attorney Jeff Ashton had accounts on Ashley Madison. He says he was just curious and used his own computer to access the site instead of the state's. He says he never cheated. I would imagine a lot of those who had accounts there are saying the same thing.

Even if he never cheated, I can't say much for his sense of honor. Seems like someone in a government position should have a little more sense.

It may have genuinely been a bit of a professional curiosity that led someone in his position to go into the site. I'm not saying it was or it wasn't, nor am I a Floridian with any political agenda regarding this person. I do know plenty of the local prosecutors here and know that they spend some time on the web checking out things because they've started to hear about something sort of tangentially in relation to a few cases and decided to familiarize themselves. I've not heard this website specifically mentioned, but it's the type of thing attorneys have started to pay attention to, as typically these websites seem to crop up in a case, then it's like they're "trending" in three or four cases. They don't want to reach the point of trial, or even pivotal motion hearings, being caught unaware of what something is or how it genuinely works. If you're standing in front of a judge and a defense attorney is painting a website and it's workings as very benign, with users being more observers than participants in the activities, it helps the prosecutor very much to understand exactly what the process is to be a participant/member of that site.

 

[cabanafrau]

I'm really not wanting to have any part in this. She has moved away from our area and doesn't keep in touch with many from here, and I doubt anyone from her new town would ever think to check a different states list for that one name. There is no doubt it's him.

I don't want them to split up. Her husband has his issues but I love the two of them and pray they can work out current issues. I in no way want to add to them.

But if she ever finds out I knew and didn't tell her, what then? I'm not inclined to tell her but I would be very upset that my bf knew and didn't tell me. Never thought I would find myself in such a position. Ugh.

I don't see any reason for her to find out that you knew. If she's not really in touch with people from your area it's not likely she'll hear it from someone in your area, so that seriously limits the odds of her finding out and beelining it back to you to find out if you knew and didn't tell her. Stay out of it.

 

[gwynne]

It may have genuinely been a bit of a professional curiosity that led someone in his position to go into the site. I'm not saying it was or it wasn't, nor am I a Floridian with any political agenda regarding this person. I do know plenty of the local prosecutors here and know that they spend some time on the web checking out things because they've started to hear about something sort of tangentially in relation to a few cases and decided to familiarize themselves. I've not heard this website specifically mentioned, but it's the type of thing attorneys have started to pay attention to, as typically these websites seem to crop up in a case, then it's like they're "trending" in three or four cases. They don't want to reach the point of trial, or even pivotal motion hearings, being caught unaware of what something is or how it genuinely works. If you're standing in front of a judge and a defense attorney is painting a website and it's workings as very benign, with users being more observers than participants in the activities, it helps the prosecutor very much to understand exactly what the process is to be a participant/member of that site.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-jeff-ashton-ashley-madison-20150823-story.html


“I ask for the public's forgiveness for my shortcomings, but those choices have had absolutely no impact on the performance of my official duties,” he said. “I regret that I have given ammunition to those who seek to discredit the work our office does. I am proud of the work and what we have accomplished thus far. But today, I'm not very proud of myself.”

Ashton choked up several times during the news conference, usually when speaking about his family and the embarrassment it has caused them.

“If I could have spared (my family) what happened in the last 24 hours, I would do it,” Ashton said.

 

[Tigerlulu]

I don't see any reason for her to find out that you knew. If she's not really in touch with people from your area it's not likely she'll hear it from someone in your area, so that seriously limits the odds of her finding out and beelining it back to you to find out if you knew and didn't tell her. Stay out of it.

That's my hope. But in reality people are nosey and facebook is popular. So regular contact or not, many have a way of contacting her. I'd prefer to never bring it up.

 

[JaxDad]

If she finds out, she will have little or no concern as to how she found out. She will have much, much bigger concerns! I would not even worry about that part. If you are her BF, just be there if and when she needs your support.

 

[cabanafrau]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-jeff-ashton-ashley-madison-20150823-story.html


“I ask for the public's forgiveness for my shortcomings, but those choices have had absolutely no impact on the performance of my official duties,” he said. “I regret that I have given ammunition to those who seek to discredit the work our office does. I am proud of the work and what we have accomplished thus far. But today, I'm not very proud of myself.”

Ashton choked up several times during the news conference, usually when speaking about his family and the embarrassment it has caused them.

“If I could have spared (my family) what happened in the last 24 hours, I would do it,” Ashton said.

LOL! Like I said, not a Floridian and had no agenda to defend the guy, simply a possible reason someone in his position could have checked out the website. I've heard of some sites discussed in court where the prosecutors have worked with the teams who do forensic examinations of computers or with the investigative units who participate on sites to engage predators. They go to these people when the websites seem too dangerously unscrupulous to pop into casually on your own.

 

[gwynne]

LOL! Like I said, not a Floridian and had no agenda to defend the guy, simply a possible reason someone in his position could have checked out the website. I've heard of some sites discussed in court where the prosecutors have worked with the teams who do forensic examinations of computers or with the investigative units who participate on sites to engage predators. They go to these people when the websites seem too dangerously unscrupulous to pop into casually on your own.

I saw him briefly on TV yesterday, I thought it was very sad.

 

[cabanafrau]

I saw him briefly on TV yesterday, I thought it was very sad.
I'm not from Fla....I'm a Michigan (mitten ) person.

Hi, neighbor! I'm also from the mitten -- and only heard about the Florida State Attorney on here.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

LOL! Like I said, not a Floridian and had no agenda to defend the guy, simply a possible reason someone in his position could have checked out the website. I've heard of some sites discussed in court where the prosecutors have worked with the teams who do forensic examinations of computers or with the investigative units who participate on sites to engage predators. They go to these people when the websites seem too dangerously unscrupulous to pop into casually on your own.

Checking out websites and giving your personal credit card information are two different things. A prosecutor would never give their personal credit cards or email address to check a work related investigation.

 

[Mizzoufan]

I was shocked to see Jeff Ashton name on that leaked list. He seemed above that sort of thing.

 

[cabanafrau]

Checking out websites and giving your personal credit card information are two different things. A prosecutor would never give their personal credit cards or email address to check a work related investigation.

Nor did I say they would. It's also my understanding that the AM site had paid and unpaid members. I have no idea about the Florida State Attorney's case in particular, and said so repeatedly.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

Nor did I say they would. It's also my understanding that the AM site had paid and unpaid members. I have no idea about the Florida State Attorney's case in particular, and said so repeatedly.

Yet you are under the incorrect assumption that a state prosecutor or investigator would use his own personal information for an investigation. No matter how many prosecutors you say you know this is not correct.

 

[Missy1961]

Yet you are under the incorrect assumption that a state prosecutor or investigator would use his own personal information for an investigation. No matter how many prosecutors you say you know this is not correct.

My goodness, she just stated a possible reason his name could come up. She wasn't defending him. Honestly, what she said makes lots of sense. Of course, it didn't turn out to be the reason, but it could have been. Give her a break.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

My goodness, she just stated a possible reason his name could come up. She wasn't defending him. Honestly, what she said makes lots of sense. Of course, it didn't turn out to be the reason, but it could have been. Give her a break.

No, it could not have been. That was my point. Where did I say she was defending him?

 

[cabanafrau]

Yet you are under the incorrect assumption that a state prosecutor or investigator would use his own personal information for an investigation. No matter how many prosecutors you say you know this is not correct.

How would you know that is not correct? Am I to accept it simply because you say so?

Perhaps you could answer this for me, how would someone who needed to know about the workings of an unfamiliar website go about finding out how said website worked? They've put out the question to the people they know and the website isn't familiar to any colleagues or anyone in their social circle. They have an upcoming conference at work where they need to know the workings of this website in order to be able to perform their professional duties.

By the way, it's not only prosecutors who investigate these things, defense attorneys have to be up to speed as well. While they may be bright, educated and very skilled at what they do, it's pretty amazing to discover how unfamiliar many in the legal field actually are with the digital age, despite the ways in which they do use it. It's not at all uncommon for them to know just enough to be dangerous, so I wouldn't rule out using their own identities to investigate things. This is not in reference to the Florida State Attorney case.

 

[usnuzuloose]

I was shocked to see Jeff Ashton name on that leaked list. He seemed above that sort of thing.

So did I. I am saddened to hear this. But I bet there would be many names on there that anyone one of us could know.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

How would you know that is not correct? Am I to accept it simply because you say so?

Perhaps you could answer this for me, how would someone who needed to know about the workings of an unfamiliar website go about finding out how said website worked? They've put out the question to the people they know and the website isn't familiar to any colleagues or anyone in their social circle. They have an upcoming conference at work where they need to know the workings of this website in order to be able to perform their professional duties.

By the way, it's not only prosecutors who investigate these things, defense attorneys have to be up to speed as well. While they may be bright, educated and very skilled at what they do, it's pretty amazing to discover how unfamiliar many in the legal field actually are with the digital age, despite the ways in which they do use it. It's not at all uncommon for them to know just enough to be dangerous, so I wouldn't rule out using their own identities to investigate things. This is not in reference to the Florida State Attorney case.

When an investigator is investigating a crime for a work related project they use fake identities. They do not use personal information. Please, you know many prosecutors so go ask them.

Why would a prosecutor need to visit an Ashely Madison website for an upcoming conference unless of course, they'd like to meet up with someone on their personal time?

 

[cabanafrau]

When an investigator is investigating a crime for a work related project they use fake identities. They do not use personal information. Please, you know many prosecutors so go ask them.

Why would a prosecutor need to visit an Ashely Madison website for an upcoming conference unless of course, they'd like to meet up with someone on their personal time?

How do you know what they do to investigate something? Certainly investigations are conducted with false identities, but in that case you're generally talking law enforcement, not the prosecutorial side of the coin. I have no doubt that plenty of plain old fact finding missions are conducted without cloaking their identities because A, it's not considered necessary to do so because they aren't investigating the website, simply its connection to another crime or, B, they didn't think through the notion of their identity being revealed and/or they really don't have a grasp on the concept of burner emails and the like. As I said, many of them are educated people who have little grasp of the digital age beyond the narrow scope of it they are familiar with.

The word conference was used in perhaps a different context than you might think. Often hearings can be referred to as pretrial conferences or settlement conferences. You can't foresee attorneys involved in any future litigation needing to understand how the AM website worked?

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

How do you know what they do to investigate something? Certainly investigations are conducted with false identities, but in that case you're generally talking law enforcement, not the prosecutorial side of the coin. I have no doubt that plenty of plain old fact finding missions are conducted without cloaking their identities because A, it's not considered necessary to do so because they aren't investigating the website, simply its connection to another crime or, B, they didn't think through the notion of their identity being revealed and/or they really don't have a grasp on the concept of burner emails and the like. As I said, many of them are educated people who have little grasp of the digital age beyond the narrow scope of it they are familiar with.

The word conference was used in perhaps a different context than you might think. Often hearings can be referred to as pretrial conferences or settlement conferences. You can't foresee attorneys involved in any future litigation needing to understand how the AM website worked?

Since we are both anonymous people on the internet there is no point answering your question of how I think I know but you certainly don't seem to give these people much credit when it comes to training in their fields.

All I can say to everyone is do not assume when someone claims intimate knowledge of the inner workings of, well anything, over the internet that it is a true statement. For instance working in a school does not make one a teacher, working in a hospital does not make one a doctor, working in a court building does not make one a lawyer, police officer or prosecutor.

 

[Kalliope]

Since we are both anonymous people on the internet there is no point answering your question of how I think I know but you certainly don't seem to give these people much credit when it comes to training in their fields.

All I can say to everyone is do not assume when someone claims intimate knowledge of the inner workings of, well anything, over the internet that it is a true statement. For instance working in a school does not make one a teacher, working in a hospital does not make one a doctor, working in a court building does not make one a lawyer, police officer or prosecutor.

Cabanafrau has never claimed to be a lawyer, police officer or prosecutor. There are other people that have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the court system that are none of the above.