As we head into 2010, big name companies that won't survive until 2020?

In my area though, the K-Mart is very clean, but it's ALWAYS empty. I am amazed that they've managed to hold on this long. It's VERY irritating to buy some things there. Take DVDs for example. They treat their customers like their thief's and lock up all newer releases in the same manner other stores lock up their video games. Then to top that off, they just shove them in a case and the ONLY thing a person can read is the titles from the side. It's so hard to go thru 100s of movies to see if they even have anything you're interested in. If they do, it's normally top dollar (well, it's always been top dollar when I've been there, but I'd imagine from time to time certain titles do go on sale).

They do the same at several of the Wal-Marts here.

On top of that, they have the Martha Stewart line and if you're interested in any other brand, you will not find it here IF the product is direct competition with the Martha Stewart line (and that line is WAY overpriced).

I do like their Christmas ornaments better than some of Wal-Mart's. Especially the shatterproof ball ornaments. Some of the ones that Wal-Mart has (and Big Lots too) really look like cheap plastic rather than trying to look "glass-like". And I do like the bedding better at K-Mart.
 
I just got a large box to Toronto from LA and it was $15 regular post. There was a $5 inspection fee at customs, UPS would have charged me a $50 fee. The Post Office had my package any-time after five down the street and they are open til 10pm and on the week-ends. The UPS, wouldn't have bothered to ring my buzzer even if I was home, I would have to call to get them to hold it at the station, but it wouldn't be available for several days, its an hour drive in heavy traffic and they aren't open on week-ends.

Lets hope Regular Post doesn't tank, I'd never get a package. For the convenience of regular post I'd pay tons and tons more, than what UPS was charging, which I bet was way more than $15.

It's crazy what USPS charges!

We just sent a 17lb package 2nd day air to my brother in Sydney, Australia. It was only $62.
We were joking that it almost got there quicker than he did!!!


I hope JCPenny doesn't close. I get almost all of my clothes there! :scared1:

If the stores close that you are all predicting then there will be nowhere left in my town but WalMart! :scared1::scared1::scared1:
 
There are NO Dunkin Donuts around here so by that fact I could say DD is going out of business??



I was at Perkins just today--the place was packed.

This is the part where it is difficult to predict based on what is going on in your neighborhood. Take DD, they are still regional and while they may be popular on the east coast, we have NONE of them around here. Personally I perfer Dunn Brothers but if you don't live in our area, you have never heard of them. I have never heard of max and Erma's so I don't even know what kind of business they are. Barnes and Nobel has already put Borders out of business in our area for the most part.

One thing to keep in mind is that many businesses, though they are part of a larger corporate picture, are actually franchises.

I couldn't tell you which ones are which. I know that places like McD's and Blockbuster are franchises as well as Baskin Robbins, but other than that my knowledge is slim.

So local businesses can fail--if the franchise owner sucks at operating their business. This doesn't reflect on the overall success of the corporation--but just a poor individual business plan that may or may not have followed the corporate model.

So that makes it difficult to predict an overall company issue.

Also, if businesses do not move with the marketplace, what may have worked in the past, will not work for them in teh future.

I remember DH picking up a book at a Dave Ramsey Business Seminar that was about a research project exploring what makes businesses long time successful. One of the failures they quoted was A&P--who for a long time had a successful business plan, but that plan failed when the marketplace changed and the company insisted on keeping to their old plan. Then they had no ability to catch up when they finally tried to do something.

One of the companies mentioned a "success"--now is not. And that was Fannie Mae and one other company that shut down. Fannie Mae got caught up in the big financial meltdown (and IIRC, the govt took it over) and I'd have to dig for the book to remember the other company. The other company is no longer in business.

These were 2 of the 10 companies featured that were good business models of how to keep a corporation going with the flow of times. The data was good at the time of publishing, but was no obsolete for at least 2 of the companies. (I almost want to say it was Circuit City after reviewing this thread--in fact, I think it was. I don't recall what changed about the company that forced them to spontaneously combust. They were "it" for an extremely long time and suddenly, they just got smacked down by the competition.)


I am not a good predictor of anything business related.

But if I had to guess--

I'm going to toss out:

*Winn Dixie

*USPS (they cannot keep up with their accumulated losses and unless they receive an all over "debt forgiveness" and just start from scratch, they simply cannot create the revenue needed to escape their dark hole.)

*DHL--I know they are growing, but I just don't see them catching on like FedEx or UPS. I don't even see that offered as one of the options on any of the on-line ordering that I do. But perhaps their business model is not aimed at consumers.:confused3


*Redbox--I understand that they get a special break on their agreements with the film companies that enable them to release their movies for the $1 rental. I had read something about this being in jeopardy. IF that is the case, they could be gone unless they have a business model that will take that into account. (IIRC, Netflix had an issue with their agreements.)

*Blockbuster B&M stores will no longer exist. And their boxes will go away as well unless they have some business plan to compensate. I know they have the on-line service, but I'm not sure if they have the presence to compete with netflix.:confused3


Now--anyway we can time capsule this thread until 2020 and review how we did?
 
I think that there will be big changes by 2020, just as their were big changes from 2000 - 2010. Right now, we see a growing gap between the working poor and the very wealthy. I predict that the middle class is not really going to exist any more. Therefore, the businesses that will survive are those that offer affordable and discounted products (Target, Dollar Store, etc.) and those that cater to the wealthy (Mercedes-Benz, etc.). So, that means a whole slew of businesses will disappear. Here are my predictions:

1. Chain Restaurants - And I say, "Good riddance!" For awhile there, there was a quite a trend of restaurants opening up that basically had the same menu as every other restaurant and the food came frozen and was basically heated up on the premises. I think you'll see people return to their local diners and more affordable fast food options. So, places like Applebees, Chili's, etc. will be gone by the wayside.

2. Home Building Centres - Businesses like Home Depot will fold when people choose to spend their money on less frivalous things than remodelling their houses every other month.

3. Electronics Stores - While you'll always have people who feel they need to have electronic gadgets and the latest this-and-that, these people will opt to order such things directly from the internet, not needing to see these items before purchase. This means Best Buy will be gone by the wayside and, I'd go so far as to say, long before 2020.

4. Celebrity Endorsed Products - There was a time when people simply had to have pots recommended by Jamie Oliver or towels from Rachel Ray, but that time is ending. People are realizing that they can get virtually the same products for much cheaper. So a lot of these lines will simply dissolve.

5. Specialty Stores - Stores that focus on any item that can be purchased at a department or discount store will close up shop. Think of places like Hallmark, Bed Bath & Beyond, etc.

6. American Car Dealerships - They are just hanging on by a thread. This one's a no-brainer.

7. Fad Programs - Weight loss and fitness programs have a very short shelf life. Programs like Jenny Craig are past their prime already. So, I'm predicting that all of these will expire with the expection of Weight Watchers which just can't be killed due to its long history and constant rebranding.

8. Outdated Technology - I agree with the article that Palm is pretty much done for. And I would add Blackberry to that list. I think Apple owns this market. AOL and MSN's days are numbered as well.

9. Print Media - I think that you will still have your small town newspapers because the internet hasn't really replaced the type of "news" (i.e. gossip) you can find in there. However, major newspapers that write stories easily available already online are simply biding their time. This is true for a number of magazines too. The ones aimed at an older generation of non-internet savvy folks will stay around while others will die a slow death. TV Guide is sure to be the first on the chopping block. It still amazes me how it stays in business.

10. Book Stores - No need to debate whether Barnes and Noble or Borders is better. They are both going down the tubes. Amazon.com has already secured its place at the top when it comes to books. There will still be some small bookstores but these major chains will be gone.

II have always wonder how does Toys R Us stays open during the year. The ones here are ghost tow expect around Christmas time

Three things: 1. Christmas is huge for Toys 'R Us. The business they do at that time of year tides them over the rest of the year. 2. Babies 'R Us is a huge moneymaker. New parents are crazy when it comes to wanting and needing stuff. 3. They have a monopoly on toys. Sure you can buy some at department stores but there are things you cannot easily acquire but in a toy store or on a toy store website. (And they have really embraced the online retail market.) So as long as we continue to have children, Toys 'R Us will be fine.

I absolutely agree with watching movies on small things like iPhones - it seems only kids and teens like to do that. But, I know quite a few that watch on their computer moniters - both movies and TV shows they missed the night before.

I think this is the way of the future for the younger generations. We watch all of our television, movies, etc. on our computer. We don't subscribe to cable or satelite because of it. This is very common among my generation.

I live in Rochester...home of Kodak. While it's not nearly the company it used to be, I'd be shocked if it went under. They're investing in a lot of new technolgy. Not to mention, even before moving here, I've only had Kodak digital cameras. I need a camera that takes good pictures and is simple for me to use. Kodak fits that bill. And quite frankly, when it comes to pictures, I trust the Kodak name. The article is a lot of speculation on Kodak, nothing that was too sound logic (IMO anyway.)

I have to agree with your prediction of Kodak's longevity. I have yet to go into a store and see a digital photo print kiosk owned by any other company. They are still supplying the bulk of paper for this industry. While their is certainly competition for digital cameras, it is still one of the big names.
 

My list of businesses that won't be around in 2020 in no particular order:

K-Mart (quote rainman "K-Mart sucks!")

Sears (property value is currently even with store sales, if sales slips too much then the property will be sold!)

One of the legacy airline carriers(Pick one: USAir, delta, Cont.)

Blockbuster (rental market is virtually dead, and their customer service sucks)

AOL (currently being spun off on it's own, it will have trouble surving)

Several medium sized Newspaper chains (ad rates are down, circulation is down, and news on the Internet is free!)

Chrysler (privately owned by Cerebus Capital and can simply shut the company down to save money if they wanted to)

Any mall store that refuses to adjust to change

Hallmark (are you kidding me? 3.99 for a birthday card?)

General Growth Compaines (owns lots of malls and is currently in lots of trouble!)

Anyway, that is my prediction!!
 
in my job i have to ask people for their email addresses. you would be surprised how many people still give me AOL emails, its crazy. i dont get it, i HATED aol when i used it, that was like 13 years ago, i just dont see a need for aol. most people i know have highspeed internet, why would you pay for aol on top of that???
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I still have an AOL email address, but I no longer have the AOL software loaded on my computer; I just sign in to email via aol.com. I would imagine a lot of people do the same thing. Using aol.com is free, too; I haven't paid for the service in years. It was the first email addy I had, and I'm too lazy to try to notify everyone I would need to of a change though I do have others now.



I still have my AOL email address to and I don't pay for it either. When I give the address to businesses I get a lot of comments about how short, sweet and easy it is. I have had it since 1993. I get way too much spam in it, but that's mostly from my years of online shopping. If AOL goes away, I will just switch to my Comcast email address.
 
My list of businesses that won't be around in 2020 in no particular order:

K-Mart (quote rainman "K-Mart sucks!")

Sears (property value is currently even with store sales, if sales slips too much then the property will be sold!)

One of the legacy airline carriers(Pick one: USAir, delta, Cont.)

Blockbuster (rental market is virtually dead, and their customer service sucks)

AOL (currently being spun off on it's own, it will have trouble surving)

Several medium sized Newspaper chains (ad rates are down, circulation is down, and news on the Internet is free!)

Chrysler (privately owned by Cerebus Capital and can simply shut the company down to save money if they wanted to)

Any mall store that refuses to adjust to change

Hallmark (are you kidding me? 3.99 for a birthday card?)

General Growth Compaines (owns lots of malls and is currently in lots of trouble!)

Anyway, that is my prediction!!

My sister and I will ensure that Hallmark stays in business. The amount we spend there in a year is just disgusting. They make a huge amount of money each year on Christmas ornaments. Many people, including myself and my sister, collect them. We have series of ornaments that have been going on for years. I don't think Hallmark is going under.
 
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I don't agree that all places such as Home Depot or Lowe's will go under. I think that as budgets become tighter that it makes sense for people to get involved in more do it yourself projects. And while remodeling projects might decrease, houses will still need maintenance on a regular basis and small businesses involved in home repair projects will still need places to buy their supplies.

I also don't agree that all chain restaurants will go away. I think that people like the idea of knowing what to expect and will continue to support the better and more popular places.
 





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