Article: Is Disney Dissing the Disabled?

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No it wouldn't. If Disney can't ask, they can't deny access if someone doesn't show paperwork.

And again, this focuses on the people who cheated the system. Cut those people out and the program still doesn't work as too many people are using it.

This has been said repeatedly, however, no one knows the number of people who cheated the system. God knows on the DIS there have been a bazillion posts about people having a GAC who didn't look like they needed it or people haveing a GAC and the person who needed it didn't get on the ride.

Yep. Also, I want to add that if they were to do that, then we are back at the issue of what disabilities will qualify and who has the worse condition? CM's aren't medical professionals and shouldn't be deciding who's condition is worse than others and deserves a DAS. Instead of taking some of the burden of CM's to make decisions, it would add to it.

How will this be different under the DAS? People who are dishonest the system will still cheat the system. Does Disney think changing the name of the program and making people wait for a ride will stop them? .

Supposedly, return times won't be enforced after the time has passed. All the cheater has to do is advertise "Sleep late and still ride. Shop and still walk on WDW attractions", etc. They can collect the passes and then give them to whomever they're charging.

You can believe these people have already figured out a way to work the new system.
 
Supposedly, return times won't be enforced after the time has passed. All the cheater has to do is advertise "Sleep late and still ride. Shop and still walk on WDW attractions", etc. They can collect the passes and then give them to whomever they're charging.

You can believe these people have already figured out a way to work the new system.

You will only get one return time per DAS and your picture will be on it. I suppose a family of 4 can get a DAS for each family member then pay someone to go get 4 return times for them. Is it an advantage? Sure, but it isn't a golden front of the line fastpass like the GAC.
 
You will only get one return time per DAS and your picture will be on it. I suppose a family of 4 can get a DAS for each family member then pay someone to go get 4 return times for them. Is it an advantage? Sure, but it isn't a golden front of the line fastpass like the GAC.

No, it won't work as easily as GAC. My point is cheaters will cheat.
 
You will only get one return time per DAS and your picture will be on it. I suppose a family of 4 can get a DAS for each family member then pay someone to go get 4 return times for them. Is it an advantage? Sure, but it isn't a golden front of the line fastpass like the GAC.

Based on a e-mail from Disney being passed around the autism advocacy community, Disney is still going to offer pretty immediate access and multiple rides on the same attraction.

Which means that all of the effort to replace the GAC was pointless. The same people will be able to abuse it that abuse it now, it will just be called something different.
 

Sharon, I feel for you. My middle DS is on the spectrum and cognitively impaired, and like your son, he loves Disney and always responded well there and was far more interactive there than he ever was at home. He learned to recognize his name there, his colors there, and even finally, at almost 8 years old, was finally potty trained there. People who do not have a child with disabilities simply cannot understand what everyday life is like for families with children with disabilities. If our lives seem 'easier' the one week a year we are at Disney because we might be able to get on an attraction faster than someone with typically developing children can, they should look at our lives the other 51 weeks a year.

Fortunately for us, our DS has come a long way. He is 16, with a mental age of 7 and PDD, but he is communicative. I think for him, Disney's new policy will work, because he is able to tolerate moderate waits, particularly if he is not stuck in a small space with other closely crowded around as is the case in the regular lines. When he was little, it probably would not have worked, especially on the days when the meltdowns were so frequent and we were lucky if we could do 4-6 hours in the park. For families that currently have those challenges, and even worse challenges that this policy is not going to work for, I feel very sorry for them, and angry at those who abused the system.

Here's my question.....people say Disney can't check for 'proof' of disability, hence why it was so easy to scam the system. My question is, why not? Why is that a violation of privacy? My dad has a handicap placard for his car, and I'm pretty sure he had to have a doctor's note detailing his need for it before it was issued. How is this any different? To me, if you are asking for accommodations that differ from what everyone else gets, you should have to prove it. Anybody that has a problem with that probably doesn't really have a true need! And yes, I do know of several families who have children on the spectrum who did not truly need the GAC for faster access to attractions (because really, that is what it typically provides, not always, but generally if it's not a mobility issue), but heard you could get it so they did. These are families who go to Hershey Park, Dutch Wonderland, and other places and stand in the regular lines and the kids are fine. So yes, I do believe this system was abused even by those who were not totally lying, their child had a disability but they greatly exagerated the needs in order to get the GAC. Shame on them.

Thanks. I know people have missed my point. If we had started at Disney under this new system, I would have loved it. It would be great. My fear is the change from the old system to the new and how to explain to him when he won't understand it.

I feel the same way about the "proof" thing. If a handicapped placard requires a doctor's signature, why can't there be a solution that also requires a doctor's certification? Like the handicapped application, no details of the individual medical condition is required, but the doctor's certification of a disability that requires the placard is all that IS required. I'm sure there wouldn't be a 100% honesty or fairness to it, but it would a whole lot less "abuse" by people who used the system.

I don't look for sympathy, I'm not playing a pity me card here. As usual, people generalize. I'm saying that Disney used to recognize that some families with disabilities could have some extra enjoyment on their vacation at Disney, it's pixie dust for us. It wasn't a level playing field. We knew that we were lucky. It's just that now they are slamming that door in our face with no "transition" time and we are personally having difficulty understanding the implications.

We've never abused the system. We were just able to do things completely different from what it will be now.

I hope it will be seamless and transparent. I really do. I don't want or think that Disney owes me anything. If I could say "Shawn, now we have to ask for a time to go back and go do something else while we wait" and he could say "okay", I'd be thrilled. We're going to figure out how to do that. I really feel that if Disney worked with Autism Speaks on this new program, that they could take a few minutes to provide some social stories, PECS schedules, that sort of tool that we could use.

For an example, take a look at the Autism Theater Initiative in NYC. They have created special autism-friendly versions of Broadway shows that are specifically changed for autism needs. Lower lighting, no loud bangs or sudden music noises, that sort of thing. They put on a separate Sunday afternoon performance. That's special, more than equal treatment, yes. You can't walk in off the street and buy a ticket, you have to be "in the know." But they want to do it that way. And they have a whole section on preparing for the performance for the person with autism - what you will see, how it works, what it is. If Disney and Autism Speaks would put something like that together, I'm sure we would use it and would be thrilled to have a tool like that.

Yes, I know we could do that ourselves, before you mention it. That's what we will do but for some reason, those professionals have the formula that always seems to work.

Once again, to reiterate, I am not against the new system, I am just concerned wtih the sudden change and how to manage it. I hope it will work and I hope all of you do not have to wait for us to get on any ride ahead of you in the future. Because I understand we do not deserve it. We have accepted our lot in life.
 
Based on a e-mail from Disney being passed around the autism advocacy community, Disney is still going to offer pretty immediate access and multiple rides on the same attraction.

Which means that all of the effort to replace the GAC was pointless. The same people will be able to abuse it that abuse it now, it will just be called something different.

Thanks for this info.

No, it won't work as easily as GAC. My point is cheaters will cheat.

Maybe it will.
 
No, it won't work as easily as GAC. My point is cheaters will cheat.

And Disney is going to make it more difficult for them to do so. I wish there was a way to stop the cheaters but unfortunately nobody can come up with anything.
 
Based on a e-mail from Disney being passed around the autism advocacy community, Disney is still going to offer pretty immediate access and multiple rides on the same attraction.

Which means that all of the effort to replace the GAC was pointless. The same people will be able to abuse it that abuse it now, it will just be called something different.

can you post a link please?
 
Based on a e-mail from Disney being passed around the autism advocacy community, Disney is still going to offer pretty immediate access and multiple rides on the same attraction.

Which means that all of the effort to replace the GAC was pointless. The same people will be able to abuse it that abuse it now, it will just be called something different.

If that turns out to be the case then I agree that this is all over nothing and Disney will continue to have a problem on it's hands.
 
Because a HC parking tag provides 'better than' normal parking so it can/does require proof of a need for this 'benefit'. But here's the 'KEY', the GAC was not designed to provide BETTER THAN but was supposed to provide EQUAL access for the disabled. So in order to 'require' proof of a need Disney would have to admit that it was giving better access with a GAC. They are not gonna do that!! :rotfl2: Ain't gonna happen!



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HIPPA has nothing to do with any of this.... HIPPA has to do with protecting your medical records...it applies to those who have access to them such as Drs, nurses, hospitals, ins companies. They cannot discuss your medical info without your permission and they must go to great extent to protect your info and privacy.

ADA says that they cannot ask for proof of disability for 'equal access'. The intention of the GAC was to provide 'equal' access. It has evolved into something far different which Disney would probably never admit to... I don't see Disney agreeing to give 'better' access which is what they would have to give in order to be able to ask for 'proof of disability'. I can only imagine the major uproar that would cause! :rotfl2:

Yes, exactly. HIPPA is about drs, nurses, and people who can access your medical records to treat you. Disney is not treating any conditions, therefore they can not look at your medical records. HIPPA does play a part.

This has been said repeatedly, however, no one knows the number of people who cheated the system. God knows on the DIS there have been a bazillion posts about people having a GAC who didn't look like they needed it or people haveing a GAC and the person who needed it didn't get on the ride.



How will this be different under the DAS? People who are dishonest the system will still cheat the system. Does Disney think changing the name of the program and making people wait for a ride will stop them? .

Supposedly, return times won't be enforced after the time has passed. All the cheater has to do is advertise "Sleep late and still ride. Shop and still walk on WDW attractions", etc. They can collect the passes and then give them to whomever they're charging.

You can believe these people have already figured out a way to work the new system.

Disney has already gone on record as saying that not only was it cheating/lying that has made them change the system, but also the "increased alarming rate" in which the GAC has increased.

People won't be able to give their DAS FP away, bc they have to show the DAS which will have a picture on it, and that person must be ON the ride.

From everything I have read on the subject, DAS will be different. Yes, people on the spectrum can have one and access alternate waiting areas...but they will still have to wait. They won't be granted immediate access to the ride.
 
No, it won't work as easily as GAC. My point is cheaters will cheat.

Yes, it will cut down some cheating, but you are correct cheaters will find a way to cheat.

However, if you look at this from the respect that Disney has already gone ON RECORD as saying. That it is about the increased use of the GAC...IE too many people needing it, which defeats the entire purpose of the GAC. Not too mention the abusers, as opposed to outright cheaters.

Yes, cheating played a part, but abuse and increased use is what pushed it over the top.
 
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From everything I have read on the subject, DAS will be different. Yes, people on the spectrum can have one and access alternate waiting areas...but they will still have to wait. They won't be granted immediate access to the ride.

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Yep. I've already sent an e-mail to Disney complaining about them backing down in the face of the "but, but, but my kid NEEDS to ride 5 times in a row" brigade.

Some of the worst abuses of GAC were perpetrated by the people that legitimately possessed them.
 
It has already been stated....increased use(abuse, legit users whatever) is the reason for the change. A person makes a facebook post saying Disney emailed them they are going to allow repeated rides similar to the old GAC. How would Disney issue these? This would be no different from the current GAC that is not working. I would caution believing everything you read unless it is posted directly from Disney and not on someones wall.
 
Comment below that article points out that those in need of accommodation can use FP+ in combination with the new access policy. So you can get on to 3 rides per day on a scheduled basis, while waiting out the standby time for others.

So, yes, some rides have 2 hour waits. Choose those for FP+. Wait about 20 minutes for the rest of them. Seems very reasonable.

Not only that but they can also wait in a short line during the wait for the DAS time or their other FP+. Using the FP+ and DAS, you can get all the long line rides out of the way and do the historically short lines in between. This is still an advantage that the general public (DAS not FP+) has.

I am all for this change. I know for a fact, when we once had to use a GAC, that we got front of the line access to many rides and could do rides with long line over and over and over while others still waited.

I have done Universal with staying at the resort. Anybody who wants to pay for the hotel gets this.

Nothing can ever be 100% equal for all. You can be too tall, too short, too young, have hear problems, be pregnant and on and on, such that you have to forgo a ride.
 
Yep. I've already sent an e-mail to Disney complaining about them backing down in the face of the "but, but, but my kid NEEDS to ride 5 times in a row" brigade.

Some of the worst abuses of GAC were perpetrated by the people that legitimately possessed them.

Exactly! And everyone should be emailing about this. So basically with this little blurb added in, they are saying, "We changed the name of the system and that is all". Ridiculous.

No one...and I mean NO ONE should be able to ride numerous times while others are have long wait times. I could understand giving 2 rides, but that should be the limit. I could also understand going round more than once during a slow time. I mean if the standby is a 5-10 minute wait, no biggie. But if there is a real line with a long wait time, then I don't think that is right.

I don't believe that Disney should be deciding who's disability is worse than another's and who has a harder life than others, and give them special treatment. Please, I beg you...don't say it's equal bc that is not equal. That is special treatment period.

That being said, I will still wait and see what people end up posting as their experiences as until I hear it, I won't believe that they will be giving out these DAS like the golden ticket that GAC was, even if they write it.

If you notice they used a lot of ambiguous words, such as "might" and "potential"
 
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