Are you averse to the 'new' 5-day pass only? Please read and comment...

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I travel mostly solo, that I want to be able to spend at least a week in the parks. In fact, if I could do a two week trip, I would be delighted. Of course, if I ever come for two weeks, I'd buy the annual pass. In the meantime, I have had to limit my days to 6, and now 5, so my trips are getting shorter. I love to tour at a leisurely pace, and do everything I can, beside just riding rides. I almost always go home wishing for more.
 
Mary09 said:
I've never heard of anyone buying a >5 day ticket before (though obviously it happened). We've done 5 days in the past sometimes and usually people think we're nuts to spend so many days in a row at DL. So it doesn't surprise me if they stopped selling them simply because they didn't sell well, overall. To me, 6 days in those parks is a little unthinkable. Not judging, just presenting an alternate viewpoint that might match that of the company's and of most consumers.

Yep, I've done it. And I live in Northern CA.

Our last trip went something like this: Wednesday fly in early to SNA, drop off bags at the hotel (PPH) and head to the parks till our room is ready. (Got into parks around 11:30am) When we got the message, back to the hotel to unpack and change, back to the parks. Fantasmic dessert. Thursday, morning we had breakfast at Minnie's, then all day at the parks. Friday, all day at the Parks, lunch at Ariel's and WOC. Saturday, we spent at Universal, evening in the parks. (Mad T Party) Sunday, lunch at BB, park hopping, and Monday, we flew out late and uenjoyed about 8 hours in the park.

It was just my DH and I, no EE, and taking our time. Perfect.
 
No, this was a person that was reusing someone's multiday ticket.
Do you have a link to the news story? Because the only one I can find is this guy:
http://www.dailybreeze.com/crimeand...gedly-selling-phony-disneyland-tickets-carson

And, here's how he did it:

Austin said Hutchinson purchased seven legitimate tickets
for Disneyland online, and printed them out. He made numerous copies and sold the papers to victims. When Disneyland ticket-takers scanned the bar code on the papers, they found the tickets had already been used.

So, very different from "sharing" multi-day tickets.
 

When we went a year ago the CM asked my DH and I to sign our passes. They did not always ask to see our ID but when they did, we had them on us and they were able to see that we were indeed the owners of the pass. By the way, it was a 6 day pass and I wish we had had a 7 day pass. We love DLR and are planning on going again in November/December. We were going to stay for 7 days but thankfully we have not yet purchased our airfaire so I am pretty sure we are going to decrease our length of stay. It is so crazy that they cannot come up with a system that will work so those of us that live so far away and can only afford to go every one or two years can spend as much time as we want.
 
My fiest trip to Disneyland was in 2007, we had a 3 day pass. The next year we went to 4, the last couple of years we have done the 6 day pass. I still feel like I have missed something. Next year back to 5 days, if we go. My DH is saying he dosent want less days for more money! :sad:
 
That's a fair perspective, but Disney, or any company, is not normally in the position of encouraging their customers to spend LESS money and LESS time consuming their products and services. It's just not good business.

Now, obviously, there WAS a business decision made to eliminate these ticketing options. And it might very well be as simple, as the options were not popular enough with consumers outside of those who purchased the tickets for fraudulent usage. And, in that case, they calculated that the loss of, or simply angering of, customers who legitimately used larger than five day tickets out-weighed the expense of fraud. That the fallout was worth it in the larger financial perspective.

Unfortunately, fraud will always exist, with any product or service, but it's usually a very small percentage, and when company's punish legitimate users for the bad actions of the few, it's usually a really bad call if, for nothing else, public relations reasons. (See: onerous music, movie or video game "digital rights" schemes, etc.) And almost always it is the LEGITIMATE customers that suffer from these decisions. It takes the "bad guys" about five minutes to find a new way around the obstacles thrown up, leaving only those who wanted to do the right thing in the first place stumbling along.

Disney's problem/gripe in California is that their policies contradict California law. Contractually, they can dictate that the tickets are not transferable, but because they lack the overwhelming political power they hold in Florida (where pretty much everything Disney wants, Disney gets), they've been unable to make "renting tickets" or use of said transferred tickets a crime. They can legally refuse to the honor the tickets based on breach of contract, but they can't do anything, legally, to stem what they consider gross mis-use and loss of profit.

Quizzing guests about use patterns, asking for ID and signatures ... All are OK, I guess, until they become onerous. For instance, if you accidentally say first use of your ticket was on the 5th, but it was really the 3rd and you just misspoke, which leads to 10 minutes of additional questioning and fear you'll lose your tickets, plus longer waits for everyone in line behind you. Or accidentally forgetting your ID means you can't enter the parks, even though you've done nothing wrong. Because, remember, for every 100 legit guests they delay or, perhaps, make uncomfortable/annoy/etc., they'll intercept MAYBE one or two fraudsters.

That's basing numbers on general numbers of fraud/theft that most businesses experience. Perhaps the Disneyland projections now greatly exceed that, hence the new (reduced) ticket offerings and increased security measures at the gates.

I have no intention of doing anything other than legitimate things with my tickets, no matter how long, or short, the ticketing period is, and I definitely don't endorse or condone fraud or theft of ANY kind, at Disney or anywhere else BUT I'm very unhappy to hear that my legitimate usage is being curtailed due to a few bad apples. And that Disney prioritizes protecting themselves from POTENTIAL fraud, over serving their most loyal customers.

:thumbsup2 Right on! Very well written, really good stuff, thanks!

I wonder how long it would take to switch DLR over to the biometric scanners that WDW utilize. Does anyone know how long it took WDW? I can imagine it is costly to get the scanners, update the ticket software, and train the CMs on how to use it but I would imagine that the reopening of DCA has made that up for them in spades. So I have to wonder if it is the time issue that is halting the change? Halloween is coming up (soon!!!!) and after that the busy season of Thanksgiving and Christmas. Maybe they want to wait after that is all over?

Sorry for the ramble - just wanted to see what people's thoughts were on this.

Makes a person wonder if they just want to wait - you would think they would mention to us though that in the future they could bring back the longer Park Hoppers.

You are the bomb jory! Thank you.

Thank you so much! I love how much you are contributing to this thread, with your thoughtful posts Re: this issue. Thanks for that. :goodvibes

I think it's just a cost issue. I don't know what it cost extra to keep the ability to issue and administer 6+day tickets, but it must've not been worth the revenue and customer goodwill generated by keeping those ticket options. And possibly fraud issues.

There may even been in-depth analysis like this: Maybe most 6+ day ticket purchasers mostly use the park from 10-4, when the park LEAST needs visitors. Maybe Disney felt that by nudging those visitors to squeeze their 36 hours of park time into fewer days, the whole city benefits, including the DL parks? People visit Anaheim Garden Walk and other city attractions, thereby reinvigorating the local economy and making the whole area less seedy? I don't know, just a thought.

You have a point that maybe they don't like the tourists who can stay longer than locals, as tourists generally can spend the entire day in the park, but locals arrive later. It sure does seem that they want to push people away from Disneyland (after 5 days) to other areas - why, I wonder...

We are a family that loves to spend 10 days in the parks at WDW. We live in CO, so in order to get the best bang for our buck with flights, etc. We love the 10 day ticket. We stay 11 or 12 nights. It is perfect for us.

So when we planned our first family trip to DL last year, it was only natural for us to want to get the best bang for our buck there, too. We like being there as long as possible. Last year was a little different because we received a free dining pin code, and the max. number of nights we could stay for that promotion was 5. We got 6 day passes and thought it was perfect. We drive to CA, taking 2 days each way to get there and back. After a 2 day drive we are wanting to park ourselves for a few days and not think about the drive back. 5 days is just not enough for us. I was fortunate to get the heads up here about the increase in ticket prices and purchased our 6 day tickets for our Dec. trip in May. I had the hope of adding the 7th day, mainly because Indiana Jones opens the day we are scheduled to leave and I wanted to catch that before we left.

We feel the trip is "worth it" when we can stay 6 days. In the future if 5 day passes are the longest available, the cost difference in our trip is minimal, but we get one less day in the parks. It does not make financial sense for us to add a one day ticket x5 to stay the 6th day.

I do know that last year on these boards, most people said 3-4 days were enough in the parks. I know Carsland has changed things, but I am surprised at all the people coming out saying they want 6,7 or 8 day tickets. Last year I felt in the minority for wanting to stay so long (and not do anything other than Disney while in CA)

I hope they are able to figure something out in the future and allow the 6 day hopper again.

They can figure something out - it's whether or not they choose, or want to do this for their loyal fans. It's not anything out of the ordinary we are asking.

"Please, Madam/Sir, may we stay in your Parks for another couple of days and spend more of our money?" :flower3:

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I travel mostly solo, that I want to be able to spend at least a week in the parks. In fact, if I could do a two week trip, I would be delighted. Of course, if I ever come for two weeks, I'd buy the annual pass. In the meantime, I have had to limit my days to 6, and now 5, so my trips are getting shorter. I love to tour at a leisurely pace, and do everything I can, beside just riding rides. I almost always go home wishing for more.
EXACTLY!! Disney execs. may be bored of their own park, if they don't understand there is a need for others to spend more than 5 days. I think the first year we went 5 days, and no sooner than we got home, did I feel such a need to go back to see what I had missed. Today, more than ever, people do their research on Parks - DISboards, youtube vids, etc. and because we are educated on the Parks, we want to go spend more time there. It's not because of the Disney ads, etc. that make me want to go, nor is it their website. It is things like the DISboards that teach me so much about the Parks. The Hojo webcam that lets us see the Park live! To this day, I literally have dreams of Disney, and we are always on our last day in the Park but I didn't know, and we didn't go on any of the main rides, etc., and we are frantically running around trying to find the rides, etc. Disney Parks, you are very well loved, and it's about time to put a stop to the loss of the 6 and 7 day Park Hoppers, I think.

Yep, I've done it. And I live in Northern CA.

Our last trip went something like this: Wednesday fly in early to SNA, drop off bags at the hotel (PPH) and head to the parks till our room is ready. (Got into parks around 11:30am) When we got the message, back to the hotel to unpack and change, back to the parks. Fantasmic dessert. Thursday, morning we had breakfast at Minnie's, then all day at the parks. Friday, all day at the Parks, lunch at Ariel's and WOC. Saturday, we spent at Universal, evening in the parks. (Mad T Party) Sunday, lunch at BB, park hopping, and Monday, we flew out late and uenjoyed about 8 hours in the park.

It was just my DH and I, no EE, and taking our time. Perfect.

I noticed that you spent quite a lot of extra money in the Parks. I wonder if Disney Parks knows that getting people in for a long period of time means they may spend more on food and merchandise?

Do you have a link to the news story? Because the only one I can find is this guy:
http://www.dailybreeze.com/crimeand...gedly-selling-phony-disneyland-tickets-carson

And, here's how he did it:



So, very different from "sharing" multi-day tickets.

Thanks for posting the link.

Thanks Brian. Very creepy story.
Disney tickets should state right on them, that you can't use them unless they were purchased from: and then list the sources. A person should have to show their receipt, too.

When we went a year ago the CM asked my DH and I to sign our passes. They did not always ask to see our ID but when they did, we had them on us and they were able to see that we were indeed the owners of the pass. By the way, it was a 6 day pass and I wish we had had a 7 day pass. We love DLR and are planning on going again in November/December. We were going to stay for 7 days but thankfully we have not yet purchased our airfaire so I am pretty sure we are going to decrease our length of stay. It is so crazy that they cannot come up with a system that will work so those of us that live so far away and can only afford to go every one or two years can spend as much time as we want.

It is crazy. Totally agree.

My fiest trip to Disneyland was in 2007, we had a 3 day pass. The next year we went to 4, the last couple of years we have done the 6 day pass. I still feel like I have missed something. Next year back to 5 days, if we go. My DH is saying he dosent want less days for more money! :sad:

Yep, we totally understand.
 
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I got the canned response, which did not take into consideration that I already said it was too expensive to buy 5+2. They are not even reading the complaints. My original email is at the bottom.

Thank you for your e-mail to the DISNEYLAND® Resort. We appreciate you
taking the time to share your experience with us.

We apologize for the disappointment you mentioned in your e-mail
regarding our current, available ticket offers. For those Guests wishing
to visit for 6 days or greater, they may wish to consider a combination
of our available multi-day DISNEYLAND® Resort PARK HOPPER® Tickets that
would best meet their needs. Additionally, a DISNEYLAND® Resort Annual
Passport, and its additional benefits, may be a viable option.

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impressions are important to us and your comments will receive careful
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If you would like any further information on our available ticket
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Again, thank you for contacting us. Comments such as yours are welcomed
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Sincerely,

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Received date: 8/31/12



Original Message Follows:
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First Day of Visit: 0/0/0
Length Of Stay:

What happened to the 7 pay park hopper? WE come from Alaska and make a
whole week out of Disney. Last time we did 5 days and it was not
enough. Please bring it back. Purchasing 5 + 2 is just too expensive,
and we will be forced to do other things our last two days.
 
I got the canned response, which did not take into consideration that I already said it was too expensive to buy 5+2. They are not even reading the complaints. My original email is at the bottom.

This is not very good business practice, IMO, to give people emailed replies which are canned, as Piglet99645 stated, particularly when Piglet99645's concern was not at all addressed, as her personal concern had been ignored in this reply.

According to Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canned_response

"Canned responses are predetermined responses to common questions. Rather than typing the same answer repeatedly or pasting from some other resource, the operator can insert a canned response triggered by keystrokes or from a drop-down menu. Some programs have built-in functions which allow canned responses, and other software is available which can insert canned responses into any other application."

And...

"Canned responses, however, can be a double-edged sword. Sloppy or pressured support people could end up using canned responses as a quick fix when they actually don't really resolve the customer's problem."


If I write in to a company, I would expect that some of my personal concerns be mentioned and addressed. You know, the old 'repeat the problem back to them' sales technique, AND THEN respond to that need.


For example:

"Dear Piglet99645,

I'm sorry that you find that the 5 + 2 days is too expensive, and that you feel you will be forced to do other things your last two days." Then the letter could proceed with understanding, explanation, and perhaps a little bit of hope, too, [for something that is not unrealistic for Piglet99645, especially as a loyal customer, to ask for. Why should she have to pay more per day if she wants to stay longer than 5 days?? That's sort of like shutting the door on her, saying you like her for your business, but not enough, after all, and she should leave after 5 days.]

Seriously, Disney, at the very least, when someone writes in, instead of 'hitting button 8367', or whatever it hit to get the canned response for "they don't like the discontinuation of the Park Hopper tickets" you could ask that your representatives at least read the letter in full, then respond appropriately to the person by identifying a personal issue that they have mentioned.

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned, courteous customer service?
 
I replied as follows:

Thank you for your form response.

I do not understand why you would suggest that I buy a 5 day parkhopper plus a 2 day parkhopper when, as I stated in my email, to do so would be too expensive, and much more expensive than the prior 7 day parkhopper.

Please clarify why you want to exclude guests who want more of your product, by charging them a higher rate for subsequent days. You just made the park BIGGER (with Carsland) and tout DL Resort as a "resort vacation" that is a "destination," but you think people should stay 5 days and get out?

This makes no sense!

Raise the daily rate for everyone, but don't penalize those of us who wish to stay longer than 5 days and spend money in your resort.

A bit snarky, perhaps, but I hate canned responses.

I wash my hands of this. I hope it resolves in a more satisfactory manner, but I suspect it will take some time.

Meanwhile I'm going to plan my trip to see Harry Potter at Universal in Orlando.
 
That was a concise letter that clarified your points. Very well stated. Thanks for all of your efforts, and I think they will see that this is something they will want to reevaluate, since so many guests have such a need for a 6 or 7 day Park Hopper [where they don't have to be charged a higher rate per day for every day in the Parks because they wanted to stay past 5 days.] Enjoy your trip, it is really too bad that we will be thinking of how to cram stuff into 5 days now. :headache:

Please do let us know what the reply is, when you receive it, if you don't mind sharing it. Thanks!

Hang in there... it could still change!
 
This is the biggest vacation we've ever taken in our 12 year marriage. The first part of the trip is a reunion and then we are staying through Christmas. We will have to buy a five day and a four day for three people.

So far in our planning we have 11 sit down meals planned, two BBB visits and two tours planned. We are also going to try to do the CP. not to mention all the shopping, turkey legs and churros.

I really want to take my time this trip and do everything.

Bummer about the added expense but we have to do the reunion and already set our daughter's heart on her birthday in DL (5th birthday on Christmas Eve).

Side note. One of my FB friends claimed a discounted ticket on FB for use between mid Sept to early Oct. there were over 40,000 we're still left to claim. I would think Disney could inform FB that the customers are being scammed since they most likely won't be able to use them.

Kerri
 
This is the biggest vacation we've ever taken in our 12 year marriage. The first part of the trip is a reunion and then we are staying through Christmas. We will have to buy a five day and a four day for three people.

So far in our planning we have 11 sit down meals planned, two BBB visits and two tours planned. We are also going to try to do the CP. not to mention all the shopping, turkey legs and churros.

I really want to take my time this trip and do everything.

Kerri

Looking at your plans, I would suggest that you purchase one premium annual pass. 5 day hopper + 4 day hopper = $290+$275 = $565. Cost of a premium pass is $649. The difference is $84, but if the person with the annual pass does most of the paying for things you will make up the difference and then some with the amount of time you will be there and all the spending you are planning. You will get 20% off tours and merchandise and 15% off at most dining locations in the parks (not snack carts, so not on the churros and turkey legs, alas) and restaurants at the on-property hotels and 10% off at many of the places in DtD. I think there's an AP discount at BBB too.
 
Looking at your plans, I would suggest that you purchase one premium annual pass. 5 day hopper + 4 day hopper = $290+$275 = $565. Cost of a premium pass is $649. The difference is $84, but if the person with the annual pass does most of the paying for things you will make up the difference and then some with the amount of time you will be there and all the spending you are planning. You will get 20% off tours and merchandise and 15% off at most dining locations (not snack carts, so not on the churros and turkey legs, alas) in the parks and at the on-property hotels and 10% off at many of the places in DtD. I think there's an AP discount at BBB too.

But watch out for the blackout dates on the AP. Or are there no blackouts on the "premium"?
 
longtimedisneylurker said:
Looking at your plans, I would suggest that you purchase one premium annual pass. 5 day hopper + 4 day hopper = $290+$275 = $565. Cost of a premium pass is $649. The difference is $84, but if the person with the annual pass does most of the paying for things you will make up the difference and then some with the amount of time you will be there and all the spending you are planning. You will get 20% off tours and merchandise and 15% off at most dining locations (not snack carts, so not on the churros and turkey legs, alas) in the parks and at the on-property hotels and 10% off at many of the places in DtD. I think there's an AP discount at BBB too.

Thanks! I was thinking about that. We can't afford to stay on site but I was thinking that another benefit to that is MAYBE I could get down again next December before it ran out (DL once every 15 years is enough for DH so I think he would be okay with us going down without him then).

Thanks again!
Kerri
 
I sent an email last week also asking for a longer park hopper ticket expecting the same canned response, imagine my surprise when my email is from Linda Hunt asking for my number so she can call me, and giving me her number so I can call her if that is easier!

I will let you know what she says, but frankly I am scared! I am very shy and get flustered easy. I hope I can make my point!
Anyone want to give me an outline of what I should say?
 
I sent an email last week also asking for a longer park hopper ticket expecting the same canned response, imagine my surprise when my email is from Linda Hunt asking for my number so she can call me, and giving me her number so I can call her if that is easier!

I will let you know what she says, but frankly I am scared! I am very shy and get flustered easy. I hope I can make my point!
Anyone want to give me an outline of what I should say?

I call that progress.

I'm sure someone can give you an outline.....
 
Side note. One of my FB friends claimed a discounted ticket on FB for use between mid Sept to early Oct. there were over 40,000 we're still left to claim. I would think Disney could inform FB that the customers are being scammed since they most likely won't be able to use them.

Kerri


Kerri, we have been trying to close down that FB site by reporting them to FB as a scam, posting on their site so other people won't get caught up (although they have deleted all of our posts and blocked everyone who has commented), and I have been encouraging everyone who can, to email Disney with the FB page URL so they are aware that this is still out there and to keep up their efforts checking tickets, IDs, and signing the back of them. I'm sure Disney is more than aware that this type of thing is prevalent but like you said, they might be able to contact FB and at least get the page off so its not as widespread. I highly encourage you to contact Disney, even just a short email, and encourage them to contact FB to get this "business" off FB.
 













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