Are WDW parks really overflowing with trash?

[Karin1984]

I may be an oddity in my viewpoint ...

I am with you! I said the same a few pages ago, you are not an oddity

 

[71 Truck]

Don’t know about WDW, and CA is a union state while FL is work for hire which might have a lot to do with it, but Disneyland severely cut the third-shift (after park close) custodial staff and transferred the tasks to day shift. They also moved formerly full time jobs to part time (no benefits, less money, and also removes the ”right to recall” which allowed previous workers to return to their old jobs at the same compensation as before). They’ve offered the new part time jobs to former full time employees, but the employee loses their seniority as well as their benefits. That’s why there was a protest by Disneyland union workers last Saturday.

It’s a mess. Literally.

Sounds like a potential law suite.

In Florida it is a right to work state.
Disney has a certain amount of jobs covered by a union negotiated contract.
Cast members are not required to join the union however they must follow contract rules for that covered job regardless if they are in the union or not.
The unions in Florida negotiated with Disney the return to work process,who would be called back first, benefits, pay, seniority and a bunch of other things.
I would assume the unions in California are different from the Florida unions so each states union should have negotiated the return to work process.

 

[SuzErwin]

Sounds like a potential law suite.

In Florida it is a right to work state.
Disney has a certain amount of jobs covered by a union negotiated contract.
Cast members are not required to join the union however they must follow contract rules for that covered job regardless if they are in the union or not.
The unions in Florida negotiated with Disney the return to work process,who would be called back first, benefits, pay, seniority and a bunch of other things.
I would assume the unions in California are different from the Florida unions so each states union should have negotiated the return to work process.

Per the Orange County Register, Disneyland is still in negotiations with all the unions. There is a two-year “right to recall” workers to their old positions but Disney hasn’t triggered the recall/return to work yet - in part because they’ve changed the positions to part time and they’ve transferred third-shift custodial tasks to day staff. Custodial workers feel this is so Disney can see how many people they can get to jump at part time roles before having to offer full time roles to workers with seniority.

Anyway, Disneyland has the same trash problem.

 

[bean]

We saw a lot of gross bathroom stalls a couple of weeks ago and a handful of overflowing trash cans. Most of them were in queues. We thought it was gross that this was under a lot of the sanitizers though. I was surprised that they don’t wipe them at all since they’re touched often. I was sitting on the ground by this one, took the pic, then we looked under others. Many just as gross. Bring your own sanitizer!

 

[buttersnix]

Then why are they offering $1000 hiring bonus for housekeeping?

Because its a one time payment, not a consistent hourly raise so they are not committed tomoney for a long time. Also, bonuses can often be tax deductions for corporations. Don’t know if they are for Disney or not but it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[buttersnix]

Re: staffing levels, let's not forget too that a LOT of people who worked at WDW were not native Floridians. I'm willing to bet that a large percentage gave up after months and months of furlough, and went back to their home states where they had family to support them, and/or jobs outside the tourism industry were more readily available. The eligible hiring pool in central FL is smaller now than it was pre-pandemic.

I saw, I think it was maybe Cape May, where they said they usually hire something like 2000 international college kids that are here on their student/work visas and this year they had about 150 applications total. Apparently the visa dept, whatever you call it is backlogged. I also read, I think about 1.5 million more people above average retired last year, either forced or just decided it was time. Not to mention COVID deaths.
Can’t remember all the details exactly so some of my numbers may be off. But yeah, it isn’t the same hiring pool anywhere really.

 

[sparky68]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that, however, that last sentence was uncalled for and could get this thread closed. It could be seen as attacking someones opinion.

That is just silly. Hardly a personal attack. Unless ? Really? I think we can all agree there are fun fundamental differences between Disneyworld and Walmart. Unless there are some amazing Walmart amenities I have been missing all theses years.

 

[sparky68]

We saw a lot of gross bathroom stalls a couple of weeks ago and a handful of overflowing trash cans. Most of them were in queues. We thought it was gross that this was under a lot of the sanitizers though. I was surprised that they don’t wipe them at all since they’re touched often. I was sitting on the ground by this one, took the pic, then we looked under others. Many just as gross. Bring your own sanitizer!
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To be fair, didn't they build bathrooms in the avatar line because it was developing a strong odor of urine?

 

[thingaboutarsenal]

I guess that's the difference. I don't see it as me being part of the maintenance process by alerting someone. I treat it the same as a multitude of other things, out of ketchup at the table? alert the waitress/waiter, out of toilet paper in a bathroom stall? alert the staff. Hold the door open for someone, say excuse me let me just squeeze past ya, etc. It's not that I always 100% do these things (except the hold the door open and the squeeze past ya--midwest speak coming out lol) but that my reasoning it's unilaterally "it's not my job".

I think what I was trying to convey was it's not about WDW as a place so much as your attitude about it. I highly doubt you'd view it differently if it was your local Walmart bathroom so I don't think it's the destination (or the amount you pay) so much as how you view the situation in its entirety, unless you're telling me you would say something at Seaworld where you paid 1X the amount for that AP? If so I suppose your stance is different than I read into

Yes. My stance is I'm there to have fun, not help maintain the park. I see some bad stuff at SeaWorld too, most recently out of service toilets, but never a pile of trash in two consecutive cans, hence my SeaWorld comment. I am angered that WDW management would let it get to this point with the significant amount more that they charge (3x the cost). No matter where I am, I am not telling someone to clean up something they should clean up, something that is a given they should do regularly. Obviously if someone puked or needed medical assistance, I'd help (and have done both at WDW) but something as neglectful as a trash can overflowing is none of my concern and not taking any time away from my fun day with my family, whether at WDW or any store (I refuse to shop at Wal Mart). Some people think we have some underlying duty to help WDW like they're innocent or something. They're making decisions on a management level that lead to this kind of crap and people think telling a CM will fix it.

 

[thingaboutarsenal]

If this keeps up then this will be the view out of our resort windows in a year.

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When will the parks be exclusively supplied by Brawndo? I need my electrolytes!

 

[71 Truck]

That is just silly. Hardly a personal attack. Unless ? Really? I think we can all agree there are fun fundamental differences between Disneyworld and Walmart. Unless there are some amazing Walmart amenities I have been missing all theses years.

When you make a statement responding to someone post that " Anyone confusing grocery stores and theme parks needs to be seen by a licensed professional" weather you think it is the same, Disney vs Walmart it could look like you could be criticizing that person, at least that is how I read it.
There is a big difference between Disney and Walmart and I know this. Maybe my Walmart is better than yours I do not know.
We can disagree but I still think it was wrong and that just my opinion. At least the original poster seamed to think it was directed at them the way I read their response.
This was their response in part.
" I may be an oddity in my viewpoint though I don't think that means I need to be seen by a licensed professional (I would have liked your post if not for the last part, my apologies for that). "

In the end of all of this we should not be criticizing each other, Disney has a problem that needs to be addressed, this is what this thread is all about. Why they have the problem I do not know I am not on the inside of Disney management, only they know.
Weather they decide to address it is up to them. There are 247 post about this, Disney sees thousands of people every day, and they just keep coming.
Garbage cans overflowing does not seam to be a problem to most visitors because they keep coming back. Heck my wife and I were there three times last week, twice at the Wave including their last night open and Wave breakfast at the California Grill, and we will be back.

 

[71 Truck]

If this keeps up then this will be the view out of our resort windows in a year.

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If that is the view out our resort window next year we have bigger problems than overflowing garbage cans,lets hope this is not the case

 

[Jennasis]

When will the parks be exclusively supplied by Brawndo? I need my electrolytes!

It's got the taste plants crave!

 

[nkosiek]

Today was our 1st day on site this trip. Didn't have any overflowing trash cans, but did count 7 empty water bottles on the floor of my row in Philharmagic. I blame that on the customers.

 

[New Mouse]

Theres a big difference as a guest needing to take the time to report a safety issue that may not be obvious vs. Reporting a trash can in the wide open which should be monitored regularly.

If Disney isnt paying staff enough to get them hired, thats on them. I already paid the market rate which they said was needed to achieve that standard.

Sometimes in tough periods as a corporation, you need to bite the bullet and aim for breaking even rather than making a profit.

 

[ParkHoppers]

Disney best fix this trash issue before the 50th starts or it’s not going to be a good look. A messy Disney World ruins the atmosphere IMO.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

That is just silly. Hardly a personal attack. Unless ? Really? I think we can all agree there are fun fundamental differences between Disneyworld and Walmart. Unless there are some amazing Walmart amenities I have been missing all theses years.

I think you missed my point. I was not comparing the two acting as if they were similar in amenities or what they were. I said about the PP the venue wouldn't matter if they view it not their job to tell someone about an overfilling trash can and mentioned Walmart as an example.

While I did not actually take offense at the licensed professional comment I found it in poor taste to say (though I was trying to be polite in bringing that part to attention).

 

[becauseimnew]

I guess they feel like the have plenty of staff, they increased capacity again, MK was sold out all week and now it’s available all week.

 

[ChipnDale79]

I guess they feel like the have plenty of staff, they increased capacity again, MK was sold out all week and now it’s available all week.

I mean, are the trams still not working? Because this is the kind of thing that's annoying. They say staffing is an issue and its why some things arent open yet, but they've got no problem increasing capacity time and time again.

 

[diablodancer]

Really hope they address this. One of the (many) things that stood out to me in a bad way about Shanghai Disneyland was the trash situation, including piles in queues (photo below, this was around the one year anniversary). Made me all the more grateful for that not previously being the case at WDW.